Zidane, Pele and Maradona

Tigers_eye · #1 July 13, 2006, 09:24 AM

I wish if I could open this thread in Cricket forum and made it a sticky so that More people could participate.

Some of the BC members think Zidane is better than Pele in skills, and equal to Maradona. I wanted to know what is the consensus. Am I the odd one here to think otherwise?

Pele: Football skills and ball control had made him a scoring machine. Head-work, legandary. 100+ goals in 10 consecutive years. Think of it, in 365 days, how many matches a player played in the 50's and 60's. 3 WCs.

Maradona: Footwork uncomparable. Laser sharp pinpoint passing. Broke Brazilian fans heart with that in WC. Ohh! Scoring goals, he could do that too with any part of his body.

Zidane: He is the greatest player of his generation, tasted success in all levels and was awarded three World Player of the Year. Great ball controlling and distribution and he can score goals, when required most. {Miraz bhai's contribution, Thank you}

Miraz · #2 July 13, 2006, 09:34 AM

Zinedin Zidane : He is the greatest player of his generation, having tasted success at World Cup, European Championship and Champions League level, awarded three World Player of the Year. Great ball controlling and distribution and he can score goals, when required most.

Rubu · #3 July 13, 2006, 09:38 AM

Please don't compare Pele with guys like Maradona or Ronaldo or Zidane. Its like comparing agartala and maichtala.

Miraz · #4 July 13, 2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubu
Please don't compare Pele with guys like Maradona or Ronaldo or Zidane. Its like comparing agartala and maichtala.

Maradona is much more complete player than Pele. Pele is overrated by FIFA and administrative people. Worldwide (among football fans) Maradona is much more admired and supported than Pele (Maradona was voted ahead of Pele in an internet poll organized by FIFA).

Tigers_eye · #5 July 13, 2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Miraz
Maradona is much more complete player than Pele. Pele is overrated by FIFA and administrative people. Worldwide (among football fans) Maradona is much more admired and supported than Pele (Maradona was voted ahead of Pele in an internet poll organized by FIFA).

Typical agrentine supporter!! Go messi go in few years! Then maradona will be history! hahaha!!

*reverse_swing* · #6 July 13, 2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubu
Please don't compare Pele with guys like Maradona or Ronaldo or Zidane. Its like comparing agartala and maichtala.

Agreed in one sense. Pele is not a complete footballer. So You can't compare him with Maradona. Perhaps its better if you compare him with guys like Romario or our Sabbir/Aslam

Carte Blanche · #7 July 13, 2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by reverse_swing
Agreed in one sense. Pele is not a complete footballer. So You can't compare him with Maradona. Perhaps its better if you compare him with guys like Romario or our Sabbir/Aslam

Haha you are an Argetina supporter eh?

*reverse_swing* · #8 July 13, 2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Carte Blanche
Haha you are an Argetina supporter eh?

LOL. I already have mentioned before. England is my team. And then Brazil. But Argentina! never

Fazal · #9 July 13, 2006, 01:34 PM

I give a complete 10 for materazzi. He neutralized "3 times World player of the year" of the oppoent team and thereby enhanced the chance of winning the final. Nobody can beat him in sledging, not even Maradona or Zidane. Pele is out of question. he is too sober for the title.

Bancan · #10 July 13, 2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Carte Blanche
Haha you are an Argetina supporter eh?

"eh" eh. so r u in Canada? hope u dont mind

Tigers_eye · #11 July 13, 2006, 09:43 AM

Miraz bhai, if I may edit a little. Let me know if you agree or not.
"He is the greatest player of his generation, tasted success in all levels and was awarded three World Player of the Year. Great ball controlling and distribution and he can score goals, when required most."

Wanted to add at the end (from penaties - hahaha!!!)

Miraz · #12 July 13, 2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cats_eye
Miraz bhai, if I may edit a little. Let me know if you agree or not.
"He is the greatest player of his generation, tasted success in all levels and was awarded three World Player of the Year. Great ball controlling and distribution and he can score goals, when required most."

Wanted to add at the end (from penaties - hahaha!!!)

Agreed brother

Xavier · #13 July 13, 2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cats_eye
Pele: How can you score goals without skills and ball control? Head-work, legandary. 100+ goals in 10 consecutive years. Think of it, in 365 days, how many matches a player played in the 50's and 60's. 3 WCs.

I guess I did not understand... you mean Pelè had no skills and ball control???
He was the greatest... won world cup in '58 aged 17... and two more in '62 and '70... maybe Maradona is same level... Zidane is well below... be sure about that!

Tigers_eye · #14 July 13, 2006, 10:10 AM

I may have to re phrase that. He had one of the best skills and ball control.

Xavier · #15 July 13, 2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cats_eye
I may have to re phrase that. He had one of the best skills and ball control.

ok, my english is not good enough to understand your sentence...
anyway these are my marks for them:
Pelè: 9.5
Maradona: 9.49 (

)
Zidane: 8.5
Totti: 8 (the real one not the player back from injury of the last world cup!)

Tigers_eye · #16 July 13, 2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Xavier
ok, my english is not good enough to understand your sentence...
anyway these are my marks for them:
Pelè: 9.5
Maradona: 9.49 (

)
Zidane: 8.5
Totti: 8 (the real one not the player back from injury of the last world cup!)

Your English is fine. It is I who can't communicate my thoughts properly.

Just wondering who is 10? Paolo Rossi?

Sovik · #17 July 13, 2006, 10:14 AM

maradona and pele are 2 different kinds of players, and most of us didn't even see pele we just read about him in the books and magazine and some clips on the net. so its very hard to judge pele. and maradona was simply great. but zidane don't deserved to be compared with them. he is a great player but he is not as great as pele or maradona

newbie · #18 July 13, 2006, 10:41 AM

How many of you have actually watched a full match where Pele played?

sadi · #19 July 13, 2006, 11:22 AM

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How many of you have actually watched a full match where Pele played?

lol good question

Rubu · #20 July 13, 2006, 12:24 PM

Mr. Ganja (aka maradona) own only one WC for Argentina. he gave argentina a hand (in every possible meaning!), pele own 3. Just look at the record, and you will know.

Here is a small anicdot for you: once play was playing and 2/3 of his shot went over the bar, he challenged the measurement of the post, and sure enough the post was short by about 6 inches. ask maradona to match that, he won't get it even with a pound of ganja and 2 legs and 2 hands.

the only reason some people rate maradona over play is simply the one stated above. few people has seen him play. see some of those black and white footage and u'll have to doubt in your mind.

Xavier · #21 July 13, 2006, 12:55 PM

--Pelè won three wc... but also played with a better team, with names like Garrincha, Didì, Vavà, Gilmar...

--No mark=10 for me... Paolo Rossi was a good striker but without great technical skill, he just was in his best form at the right time.

--Noone saw a full match by Pelè, but I guess we all saw videos of him in wc matches. Maybe Maradona had better skill, but Pelè scored more goals.

bd_cricket · #22 July 13, 2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubu
Here is a small anicdot for you: once play was playing and 2/3 of his shot went over the bar, he challenged the measurement of the post, and sure enough the post was short by about 6 inches. ask maradona to match that, he won't get it even with a pound of ganja and 2 legs and 2 hands...

I read a similar thing of our "football er jadukor Samad"....That was with the side bars though.

thebest · #23 July 13, 2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubu
Mr. Ganja (aka maradona) own only one WC for Argentina. he gave argentina a hand (in every possible meaning!), pele own 3. Just look at the record, and you will know.

Here is a small anicdot for you: once play was playing and 2/3 of his shot went over the bar, he challenged the measurement of the post, and sure enough the post was short by about 6 inches. ask maradona to match that, he won't get it even with a pound of ganja and 2 legs and 2 hands.

the only reason some people rate maradona over play is simply the one stated above. few people has seen him play. see some of those black and white footage and u'll have to doubt in your mind.

Let me pose the question in different way? How many WC Brazil won solely by Pele. Let me check
1958 : Pele was the kid of the team. Didi, Vava, Amerildo were the main men in the team. So Pele can play without any pressure. Also this team one of the best 5 team ever assembled for World cup.
1962: Pele was injured after 2nd or 3rd match. This world cup is known as 'Little bird Garrincha's World Cup'. He single handly won it in semi final and Final
1970: This Brazil team is considered as the greatest team ever played togther. With the exception of Goal keeping there was no weak point of the team
In case of Maradona,
1986: It was Maradona and other 10. Without Maradona I have doubt whether they could have even beaten a half decent european team let alone World Champion. Valdono was the only other player of the team who can be considered as World Class. Maradona single handedly won it. He scored goal (5 to be precise of which 2 goals could be counted as best of the best) and assisted goal.
1990 : A half fit Maradona almost won the w/c if not Klinns'dive' man and mexican referry. With Cannigia the only decent player and penalty stopper g/k.

Maradona has been so much accused of the famous 'hand of God' goal. I think it is because he scored againest England. Why people forgot the greatest individual goal scored in that game. To prove that it was not fluke he did it again againest Belgium in next game. Regarding 'hand of God' It is nothing uncommon putting hand if you can not reach by head in every professional league.

In club level, Pele never played in rigourus european league. So comparing club record of Maradona and Pele is like comparing County cricket with our national league. But Maradona make Napoli an obscure club an Italian champion not once but twice. I think Napoli also won UEFA cup under Maradona.

So those who think Pele is greatest is just brainwased by media. Never forgot Pele is a good boy in media's eye. How many of you know Pele's daughter has earned her right after 5 years of court fighting. She has to prove that she is the daughter after DNA test. and Maradona's case it is all over the news when the boy just claimed it.

Tigers_eye · #24 July 13, 2006, 01:10 PM

True account: My Dad saw Pele play. I am going to summarize of what he said about Pele.

It seems that Pele had a magnet in his boot which attracted the ball. Once the ball got attached the magnet turned into glue. That made it hard for any force to seperate the ball from his boot.

sadi · #25 July 13, 2006, 01:59 PM

Pele eto bodro jantam na.....