When will Litton Das finally start delivering regularly?

[MHRAM]

Originally Posted by Eshen
^^ Well, Shanto is an accumulator, innings builder, while Liton is an aggressive risk taker. You need both types on your side, specially in LOI. Someone like Liton will be always a gamble - someday he will win the match for you single-handedly, other days he will be absolute failure. Generally aggressive batsmen take longer to pay dividend for the faith you put in them.

In our current set-up, we got enough accumulators, we got to invest in couple of aggressors. Currently, Liton-Soumya are the best we have for those roles.

Naim-Afif are other two to consider, but it's still very early for them. Naim had certain weaknesses during his U/19-HP days. It still remains to be seen if opposition bowlers can figure out those weaknesses and can exploit them, and how Naim counteracts if that happens. Afif - think this guy already let fame get to his head (thanks to Papon-Hasina), still remains to be seen how he go on from here.

Litton is certainly a risk taker but the reality is he has only caused us far more trouble than won us games. I mean how different is he from Ashraful tho. Litton's risk taking works for T20Is tho.

[Eshen]

Originally Posted by MHRAM
Litton is certainly a risk taker but the reality is he has only caused us far more trouble than won us games. I mean how different is he from Ashraful tho.

Yes, in a way he's modern equivalent of Ashraful, except that Ashraful didn't have a clearly defined role. Ash was expected to play both aggressor and accumulator role based on match situation - the poor guy was rarely ever up to the task, and most of the time lived in a state of confusion.

Don't see anything wrong if we want him to be improved version of Ashraful, with a clearly defined role. The potential is clearly there, as you yourself have admitted. As I have pointed so many times already, his stats are ok given he has not really played tons of matches (unlike Ashraful) yet.

I don't see him as the root cause of our trouble, but not finding a good combination to work with him. Our idiot management can't get rid of Tamim from T20I, who does not rotate with his partners well. In ODI, namely during WC'19, Riyad became a huge hindrance for us to chase big targets, with added complication of not finding a proper solution for #7 slot.

Domingo first needs to solve those other issues first, Liton is least of his problems right now. He has the giant challenges of replacing Tamim (LOI) and Riyad (all formats) before he can nail down any combination.

[BookFinder]

Originally Posted by Eshen
As I have pointed so many times already, his stats are ok given he has not really played tons of matches (unlike Ashraful) yet.

I agree he has the talent so does Sarkar, but after how many matches do you think we can say enough is enough with LKD?

So far, he has played combined total of around 100 innings and averages like 23.

[Eshen]

One of the old BC members had something like this on his signature: "Don't argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

PS: above quote is not intended for the thread opener, I respect him enough not to suggest something like that.

BTW, kudos to our selectors for including Naim-Afif in the ODI squad. They're doing the right thing by not giving up on Liton prematurely, while giving more opportunities to others as well.

[cricman]

Aggressive lower order batsmen, nothing more nothing less. Kinda like Rishbah Pant. He's a liability in the top order.

He should bat 6 or 7

[BookFinder]

Originally Posted by cricman
Aggressive lower order batsmen, nothing more nothing less. Kinda like Rishbah Pant. He's a liability in the top order.

He should bat 6 or 7

Wait Liton hit a century in Australia? I may have missed that.

[shovon13]

Originally Posted by BookFinder
Wait Liton hit a century in Australia? I may have missed that.

From the little I've seen of both, I'd say Liton is a better batsman than Pant.
How many tests does Liton get to play in Australia?

[BookFinder]

Originally Posted by shovon13
From the little I've seen of both, I'd say Liton is a better batsman than Pant.
How many tests does Liton get to play in Australia?

Well Pant is a hack. Even then he averages almost twice as much as Liton in Test.

If Liton averaged 42 in Test, this thread wouldn't exist. P

[godzilla]

Originally Posted by shovon13
From the little I've seen of both, I'd say Liton is a better batsman than Pant.
How many tests does Liton get to play in Australia?

Guy barely limbs to 20's at home, forget about Australia.

[NoName]

Originally Posted by shovon13
From the little I've seen of both, I'd say Liton is a better batsman than Pant.
How many tests does Liton get to play in Australia?

Liton in 20 tests has yet to even score a century!

Pant scored one in his first tour to Aus

[shovon13]

Originally Posted by NoName
Liton in 20 tests has yet to even score a century!

Pant scored one in his first tour to Aus

Liton in an away Asia Cup final almost won us the match single-handedly. Liton played a strong second to Shakib in dismantling West Indies during a WC match in England.

Tamim, Mushfiq, and even Shakib took some time to become consistent. That's why Mushfiq's test average is 35, which is preposterous given the batsman that he is today.

[Eshen]

^^ There you go. I see no reason to complain having a Pant equivalent on our side.

[One World]

Pigs fly

[Gowza]

Sabbir is also talented, I agree there comes a point where oppprtunities must run out to give others a chance but in BD maybe more than anything test nation that point is very difficult to figure out.

[MHRAM]

Originally Posted by Gowza
Sabbir is also talented, I agree there comes a point where oppprtunities must run out to give others a chance but in BD maybe more than anything test nation that point is very difficult to figure out.

Sabbir had talent as a finisher in ODIs and maybe a middle order batsman in T20Is. Apart from that I dont see him possessing much ability whatsoever. His FC record is really poor, averages 30 with the bat.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by MHRAM
Sabbir had talent as a finisher in ODIs and maybe a middle order batsman in T20Is. Apart from that I dont see him possessing much ability whatsoever. His FC record is really poor, averages 30 with the bat.

I would say Sabbir has talent but unlike liton he’s never shown any sort of decent consistency at any level, besides maybe the early part of his odi career.

But I wasn’t trying to make a point about Sabbir specifically I was just using him as an example as to how difficult it is to decide when to stop giving chances to a player. Liton is more difficult than Sabbir though because he’s got tremendous consistency in FC cricket.

Soumya was much like Sabbir but the difference being his odi career has gone on for longer (for good reason) and he’s still getting opportunities but soumya never showed any consistency at the domestic level, sure he was blazing it in ODIs but he certainly had not been in domestics before that.

[Tigers_eye]

Melo, yup washed up Melo just scored 32.
Liton scored more than Tamim and Saif together. Jus sayin.

[Rifat_02]

Sabbir is one of our best t20 batsmen , the problem is we have terrible selectors such as Nannu and Bashar who judge players for one format based on a completely different formats performance which is why weak t20 players such as Soumya gets into our t20 team ahead of a Sabbir

[MHRAM]

Also how did Mehedi lost us the match? He scored some runs didn't he? It was the bhaira bhais who gifted their wicket and Soumya with his retarded RBW.

[shovon13]

Originally Posted by MHRAM
Also how did Mehedi lost us the match? He scored some runs didn't he? It was the bhaira bhais who gifted their wicket and Soumya with his retarded RBW.

agreed. the opening was very good. 2 more 30+ innings, or if Soumya kept on for another 30-40 runs - we would've won the match.

[Zeeshan]

He did today. When will Tamim?

[MHRAM]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan
He did today. When will Tamim?

Tamim is busy being a fitness model

As for Litton, super innings. Looked class apart. I know it is Zimbabwe but in the past he struggled against Zimbabwe too.

[nightman]

Moloy : "Mehedi hasan miraj hasn't improved a bit since his u-19 days.I mean you cant survive at the top level with gentle off spin and ordinary batting.He becomes like a bowling machine on flat pitches with no variations in his bowling.Need to improve drastically or else I dont see him keeping his place in any format for Bangladesh.Maybe Saifuddin can show him how to upgrade from u-19 to senior team." -- from Cricinfo.. resonates with me.. people who say miraz did good with sr of 50 odd as an opener, don't belong to this generation.. I stand by my words.

Also, similar to mirage, Luton is also an unhealthy person. How come he always gets injured while batting first. Only mouse****er Rahim can be considered as an athlete in our national team. May be somaya comes close to him. Others are worthless fellows.

[shovon13]

Originally Posted by nightman
people who say miraz did good with sr of 50 odd as an opener, don't belong to this generation.. I stand by my words.

Brother, we were speaking in the context of a specific match - the 2018 Asia Cup Final. In that match, Miraz's archaic 50S/R opening act, in retrospect, looks much better compared to performance of his down-order mates.

Miraz has the mental fortitude for the international level. Sure, his skills need to be developed a lot more. But that can be said of any of our young players.

[BD_TigerZ]

Said it before and I will say it again LKD is a class apart but I thought his ton against India was a turning point but it wasn't.. so today should be taken with a grain of salt vs a terrible Zim team. Having said that the management constantly shuffling the batting order with Liton, SS, Sabbir and co is ridiculous and doesn't help the players. If we are confused to what his role is in the team then imagine the players.. I still don't know if his best position is an opener, 1st drop or finisher.. give it 3 games and we will see him at 6/7 for no apparent reason. Stick him to a position and back him ffs.