facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old September 14, 2014, 09:18 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 20,749
Default to all those geniuses who want to drop Nasir

To all you 6th day captains who want to drop Nasir because he's hogging the next VVS Laxman's rightful spot, I present Tamim Iqbal.

Most of you wanted him dropped too. And if we had we'd be 56-7 now. So to save time - because I know all you fickle folk will ask for the following guys to be dropped sooner rather than later:

No, you are not to drop a Tamim...talent is to be persisted with.
No, you are not to drop a Mominul...tenacity is to be persisted with.
No, you are not to drop a Taskin...raw pace must be persisted with.
No, you are not to drop a Nasir...clutch ability is to be persisted with.
__________________
Bangladesh is a stronger team with Shakib al Hasan.
Bangladesh is a stronger team without Shakib al Hasan.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old September 14, 2014, 09:47 PM
Zeeshan's Avatar
Zeeshan Zeeshan is offline
BC Staff
BC Editorial Team
 
Join Date: March 9, 2008
Posts: 25,581

No, you are not to drop a Riyad...Mr Finisher is to be completed with.
__________________
Life got me meditating like I'm in the Himalayas
Keep it G with the L lit on me like the elevator
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old September 14, 2014, 09:50 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 20,749

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeeshan
No, you are not to drop a Riyad...Mr Finisher is to be completed with.
We will see about that tomorrow. If he and Shafiul avoid the fo tomorrow he all be on the do not drop list. But he won't make this thread.
__________________
Bangladesh is a stronger team with Shakib al Hasan.
Bangladesh is a stronger team without Shakib al Hasan.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old September 14, 2014, 10:09 PM
Tiger444's Avatar
Tiger444 Tiger444 is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: February 17, 2008
Location: Connecticut, USA
Favorite Player: All the BD players
Posts: 8,219

With a player like Nasir, things definitely get more complicated. He's not a fringe player like Imrul or Shamsur. He's a key player in the batting lineup and is one of our best finishers.

The problem is his form has been so bad for so long that it's really hard to keep picking him. He hasn't scored a 50 in his last 22 innings in ODIs and Tests. That's a very long stretch. You could say well Tamim was struggling too but his failures this year were mostly in the T20I format. He did badly in the SL Test series and India ODI series but before that he was doing pretty well. On top of that our top order depth is so bad, there just isn't really an option to drop him. We have more competition in the middle order. So it's easier to drop Nasir then Tamim.

Obviously, reputation is important and as we all know, Nasir can play at this level but he also can't keep playing without performing. It's been a long time now since he's last performed. It's unfair for the likes of Naeem and Shabbir who weren't presented as many opportunities. Again I know it's Nasir but it doesn't give you a license to keep playing in the national team.

I hope he gets to play the 2nd A team match and try to get some of his form. If he gets picked, which is possible, for the A team and performs then he should be picked for the Zimbabwe series but if not, I'd drop him. Hate saying it because I'm a fan of Nasir, but it's time he delivers.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old September 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
Eshen's Avatar
Eshen Eshen is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: August 27, 2007
Posts: 7,940

In any other Test playing country, even Tamim would have been dropped years ago. I understand in our sorry state we don't have the same luxury. But atleast make them fight for their spots in the team by considering some other option every now and then.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old September 14, 2014, 10:40 PM
Tiger444's Avatar
Tiger444 Tiger444 is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: February 17, 2008
Location: Connecticut, USA
Favorite Player: All the BD players
Posts: 8,219

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eshen
In any other Test playing country, even Tamim would have been dropped years ago. I understand in our sorry state we don't have the same luxury. But atleast make them fight for their spots in the team by considering some other option every now and then.
Tamim's been pretty good. It's just this year he lost his way, again in the T20I's. I know he hasn't progressed the way we wanted him too but he's still much better than others

And that's why we're the 10th ranked side. The depth and quality just isn't there compared to the other countries.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old September 15, 2014, 12:47 AM
Gowza Gowza is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: July 15, 2007
Location: Australia
Favorite Player: Mike Procter
Posts: 8,545

still need to make them fight otherwise complacency sets in, well even more because it seems the players are quite complacent anyway.
__________________
All Time Test XI: 1 Hobbs 2 B.Richards 3 Bradman 4 Pollock 5 V.Richards 6 Sobers 7 Gilchrist 8 Procter 9 Miller 10 Marshall 11 Warne
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old September 15, 2014, 03:17 AM
jeesh jeesh is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 4, 2005
Location: Colombo, Sri Lanka
Posts: 2,107

Nasir Hossain needs to be put aside from this format, not because we have better players, but for his own good. Continuous failure will lead him to a point where there is no return.

Right now he is not contributing to the team in any way. Absolute free rider. Never a good signal for existing or prospective players, when we keep giving players opportunity. Tamim critics can take a back seat, he's gotten some runs this tour.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old September 15, 2014, 03:40 AM
Roni_uk's Avatar
Roni_uk Roni_uk is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: May 22, 2007
Location: Dhaka, London, Sydney
Favorite Player: Shakib, Nasir
Posts: 11,938

Can we not drop the whole team? Its very frustrating and embarrassing and waste of ICC's money for letting us play against proper cricketing nation. 10+ years, apart from few fluke wins here and there, there is not really anything to talk about. How much longer do we need to learn?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old September 15, 2014, 03:40 AM
Gowza Gowza is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: July 15, 2007
Location: Australia
Favorite Player: Mike Procter
Posts: 8,545

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeesh
Nasir Hossain needs to be put aside from this format, not because we have better players, but for his own good. Continuous failure will lead him to a point where there is no return.

Right now he is not contributing to the team in any way. Absolute free rider. Never a good signal for existing or prospective players, when we keep giving players opportunity. Tamim critics can take a back seat, he's gotten some runs this tour.
which format?
__________________
All Time Test XI: 1 Hobbs 2 B.Richards 3 Bradman 4 Pollock 5 V.Richards 6 Sobers 7 Gilchrist 8 Procter 9 Miller 10 Marshall 11 Warne
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old September 15, 2014, 04:18 AM
simon's Avatar
simon simon is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 20, 2008
Favorite Player: Tam,Sak,Nasa,Mash
Posts: 19,656

So much for those geniuses for saying Tamim gets picked because of his uncle Akram Khan.
The truth is we have only produced three international standard batsman, Tamim,Sakib and Mushy, (hopefully Mominul too)

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Android)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old September 15, 2014, 04:32 AM
Gowza Gowza is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: July 15, 2007
Location: Australia
Favorite Player: Mike Procter
Posts: 8,545

Quote:
Originally Posted by simon
So much for those geniuses for saying Tamim gets picked because of his uncle Akram Khan.
The truth is we have only produced three international standard batsman, Tamim,Sakib and Mushy, (hopefully Mominul too)

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Android)
i'd also say hopefully anamul as well, 3 tons in 20 ODIs is a very good achievement. nasir potentially as well, he's actually been world class for more of his international career than he hasn't, we'll have to see if he can get back there and remain world class and i reckon he will get back there.
__________________
All Time Test XI: 1 Hobbs 2 B.Richards 3 Bradman 4 Pollock 5 V.Richards 6 Sobers 7 Gilchrist 8 Procter 9 Miller 10 Marshall 11 Warne
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old September 15, 2014, 06:17 AM
5tonne 5tonne is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: February 26, 2014
Posts: 141

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiger444
And that's why we're the 10th ranked side.
We are 10th ranked side because ICC hasn't given test status to more nations. I know its not relevant to this thread's conversation but I couldn't resist.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old September 15, 2014, 06:37 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 25,175

National team is not a place to regain form.

Kick anyone and everyone out. They are not 18 year olds.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Ghandi.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old September 15, 2014, 07:49 AM
Donal C Donal C is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 19, 2014
Location: Ireland
Posts: 133

Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
To all you 6th day captains who want to drop Nasir because he's hogging the next VVS Laxman's rightful spot, I present Tamim Iqbal.

Most of you wanted him dropped too. And if we had we'd be 56-7 now. So to save time - because I know all you fickle folk will ask for the following guys to be dropped sooner rather than later:

No, you are not to drop a Tamim...talent is to be persisted with.
No, you are not to drop a Mominul...tenacity is to be persisted with.
No, you are not to drop a Taskin...raw pace must be persisted with.
No, you are not to drop a Nasir...clutch ability is to be persisted with.
Disagree.

If its a young player new to the squad, then yes persist with them for at least 10-12 matches, so at the very least they can get a feel for international cricket.

However, when you have players who have been in the squad for ages, you have to drop them. Otherwise complacency creeps in.

If they are dropped it might just be the kick they need to push on and improve. If you keep playing them over and over again the odds are that they will fail over and over again.

That and you cant ignore good performances domestically just to give a certain player yet another chance. By constantly sticking with the same players even if they fail, isnt it pretty unfair on those who are performing at domestic and A level??
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old September 15, 2014, 08:11 AM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 20,749

So which Laxman in the making should replace him? Naeem? Rock?
__________________
Bangladesh is a stronger team with Shakib al Hasan.
Bangladesh is a stronger team without Shakib al Hasan.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old September 15, 2014, 08:12 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 25,175

If we can play without SHAKIB, we can play without anyone.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Ghandi.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old September 15, 2014, 08:14 AM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 20,749

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
If we can play without SHAKIB, we can play without anyone.
So which Laxman? Shakib already has an assured spot in the XI and doesn't bat at Nadir's position anyways.
__________________
Bangladesh is a stronger team with Shakib al Hasan.
Bangladesh is a stronger team without Shakib al Hasan.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old September 15, 2014, 08:21 AM
Tiger444's Avatar
Tiger444 Tiger444 is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: February 17, 2008
Location: Connecticut, USA
Favorite Player: All the BD players
Posts: 8,219

When Shakib comes back then he'll have to take a middle order spot and right now that looks like it's either Nasir or Hom but it'd be harsh to drop Hom after just 1 Test whereas Nasir has been failing forever.

And I would take Naeem over Nasir now. Naeem wasn't in much of a drought before he got dropped. He had a great A team tour in England where he outperformed Anamul and Mominul even. He was actually our highest scorer in that series. and then performed great in the NZ ODI series. Just a failure against SL and Afghanistan and boom he's out whereas Nasir continues to get chance after chance.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old September 15, 2014, 08:23 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 25,175

Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
So which Laxman? Shakib already has an assured spot in the XI and doesn't bat at Nadir's position anyways.
I would pick Naeem.

Last two series Nasir is totally out of form. 4, 29, 42, 2, 19, 1.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Ghandi.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old September 15, 2014, 08:28 AM
adamnsu adamnsu is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: December 12, 2005
Posts: 2,052

IMO Cant have BOTH Nasir and Mahmadullah playing on the same Test team and it might be better getting a proper bowler instead of one of their places.

However I hope we can all agree to kick Shamshur out of the team
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old September 15, 2014, 10:12 AM
Vua's Avatar
Vua Vua is offline
First Class Cricketer
 
Join Date: February 23, 2014
Posts: 330

OP, why do you love a failure like Nasir so much ?
__________________
Only read about deshi cricket
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old September 15, 2014, 10:54 AM
Eshen's Avatar
Eshen Eshen is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: August 27, 2007
Posts: 7,940

Same age old argument - talent over performance. Same camp that rooted for that garbage named Ashraful for years.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old September 15, 2014, 01:49 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 20,749

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eshen
Same age old argument - talent over performance. Same camp that rooted for that garbage named Ashraful for years.
That proves the lack of batting depth that we have. Even to this very day, you can't definitively prove that Imrul and Shamsur are significantly better than Ash. Beyond Mushy, Mominul, Shakib, and Tamim there are no consistent run scorers against top flight teams. Clutch performance matters a lot (4th innings) and all of the above 4 come to the party in enough innings to state with reasonable confidence that they are our best bet. Nasir won us a fair share of games, and sure he might be out of form but getting fifties from your #7 should be a bonus, not a rule.
__________________
Bangladesh is a stronger team with Shakib al Hasan.
Bangladesh is a stronger team without Shakib al Hasan.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old September 15, 2014, 02:02 PM
Huda Huda is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 18, 2004
Location: Earth
Favorite Player: Shakib, Tamim, Amla
Posts: 1,020

al-furq is right you drop these guys who you gonna bring in? those waiting on the wings are worse. What we need is hard competitive 4 day cricket for these players to learn their cricket and gain form rather than doing it on the international stage. All fans have been saying this for years, 15 years since our test status we still haven't got a good domestic league set up, will be it another 15 years till the BCB do anything? on the way things are going currently they are looking that way
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket