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Old April 3, 2012, 06:57 AM
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oh wow....seems like FP material. Nice
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our W/L ratio is stll less, might as well start getting busy from now on..and hopefully we can tour NZ soon enough
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Old April 3, 2012, 07:08 AM
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our W/L ratio is stll less, might as well start getting busy from now on..and hopefully we can tour NZ soon enough
Also, the relative number of wins over the number of matches played is also not as good. You might want to use the normalized value over the actual number as that would put things in perspective.

BAN = 9/37 = 24%
NZ = 7/28 = 25%
WIN = 7/37 = 19%

SO NZ was marginally better than us but we were significantly no better than WIN. The not does not in any way take away from our basic premise that we have done as well if not better than NZ and WIN this decade.

Eye opener.

The problem as you have clearly shown is that we are not consistent - and we have been losing more than we should amongst the associates.

How does your analysis look if you limit to the last 5 years?
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Old April 3, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Its a good sign for sure. 50 matches is a pretty good number for a study, and over the last 2 years, yes we have been no worse than NZ and WI. Gotta keep it up.

In ODIs, we can perhaps start using a term I brought up after the NZ BanglaWash series to replace Great 8...the Fine Nine, F9.
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Old April 10, 2012, 11:56 AM
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This is now on the FP:

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ODI Performances of Bangladesh, New Zealand and the West Indies in the Current Decade
Abdur Rahman Islam

Since the start of the decade, Bangladesh have won more ODI matches against the top 8 teams than New Zealand or West Indies. Abdur Rahman Islam punches numbers and digs through stats to compare the performances of the three teams in this format since 2010.
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Old April 10, 2012, 02:37 PM
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And to think ATMR...you had vanished after that Netherlands loss in 2010...wasn't even aware of the exact date of the first NZ win. That BanglaWash fixed you up pretty good!
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Old April 10, 2012, 02:41 PM
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Superb article...should be pulled out whenever people question our ODI status.

Also, I've developed and tweaked my own ICC rankings...taking into account factors such as strength of opposition, margins of victory/defeat, and home/away/neutral into the overall ratings. I'm too lazy/busy to update it all by myself since I only know how to do it manually after each series. Can I have my own personal BC staff to help me out???
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Old December 9, 2012, 11:54 AM
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This was the table after Asia Cup

TeamTotal MatchesWonLostW %TM v G8WonLostW %TM v non G8WonLostW %
Bangladesh511734333792824148657
New Zealand4418264128721251611569
West Indies5018323637730191311285


This is the table after West Indies series

TeamTotal MatchesWonLostW %TM v G8WonLostW %TM v non G8WonLostW %
Bangladesh5620363642123029148657
New Zealand5219333736828221611569
West Indies60243640421131261813572
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Old December 9, 2012, 11:57 AM
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We've still won more games this decade against top 8 opposition than West Indies or New Zealand. In fact we've won almost every 3rd match against them which is good.
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Old December 9, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Old December 9, 2012, 12:11 PM
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So our problem has been against the NON G8 Teams...
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Old December 9, 2012, 12:16 PM
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I think your number count for G8 and Non G8 is wrong...Non G8 matches look too less, unless u have considered Zim in G8 for us....14 Matches in ten years against Non G8 is just un believe able....
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Old December 9, 2012, 12:20 PM
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That last table didn't come out the way I wanted to. Mods can you tweak the HTML again please.
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Old December 9, 2012, 12:21 PM
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I think your number count for G8 and Non G8 is wrong...Non G8 matches look too less, unless u have considered Zim in G8 for us....14 Matches in ten years against Non G8 is just un believe able....
This decade means from 1st Jan 2010.
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Old December 9, 2012, 05:59 PM
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So we can stake a legitimate claim to being #7 ranked. In ODIs I think its time to say that we're in the F9.

I've expanded the study to include Zimbabwe: BD, WI, NZ, ZIM in all matches v G8

Bangladesh have the best Win % at 28.57 %. We also have the best W-L ration at 0.40 and the highest batting average, although the 2nd lowest run rate!
WI win % = 25 %
NZ = 21.62 %
ZIM = 19.23% (but 3 of those were against second string India and Sri Lanka sides so 7.69 %).

In home games: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team

WI are the best, and we are better than NZ and ZIM (again factoring out 2nd string wins).

BD, WI, NZ, ZIM in away matches v G8 sides

All teams have just one win, but Bangladesh has played by far the least number of away games, so we have the best win %. Our batting average and run rate are higher only than Zimbabwe's...but as a mark of consistency, we have the highest low score (186) and lowest high score (250).
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Not bad at all - and yet Bangladesh gets a lot of unfair criticism - as opposed to NZ and WI who seems immune to criticism compared to BD. You guys haven't been that bad past decade, the improvement is there to see - it's just that it has been fairly slow, but there is no denying that there has been progress.
We are criticized because of our test performance. No higher-ranked team takes us for granted in ODI anymore.
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The decade started in 2011, I think.

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And if you are looking at G8 (incl BD, excl Zim) for the three teams since Jan 1st 2010 here is the w/l

It does not agree with the top table you have.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team

And if you are looking for all matches played with all nations for the three of interest since 1/1/10

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team
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Superb article...should be pulled out whenever people question our ODI status.

Also, I've developed and tweaked my own ICC rankings...taking into account factors such as strength of opposition, margins of victory/defeat, and home/away/neutral into the overall ratings. I'm too lazy/busy to update it all by myself since I only know how to do it manually after each series. Can I have my own personal BC staff to help me out???
No one except maybe Boycott would question our ODI status. But, do we even care about his comments?
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After Asia Cup:

TeamTotal MatchesWonLostW %TM v G8WonLostW %TM v non G8WonLostW %
Bangladesh51173433.3%3792824.3%148657.1%
New Zealand44182640.9%2872125.0%1611568.8%
West Indies50183236.0%3773018.9%1311284.6%



Before New Zealand series:

TeamTotal MatchesWonLostW %TM v G8WonLostW %TM v non G8WonLostW %
Bangladesh62223935.5%45133128.9%179852.9%
New Zealand65253638.5%49143128.6%1611568.8%
West Indies82314637.8%61154124.6%2116576.2%
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After Asia Cup:

Team
Bangladeshplayedwonlostw%
overall home record34132138.2
overall away record1741323.5
home record v G82882028.5
away record v G891811.1
home record v non-G865183.3
away record v non G883537.5
West Indiesplayedwonlostw%
overall home record27121446.3
overall away record2361726.1
home record v G82061332.5
away record v G8151146.6
home record v non-G876185.7
away record v non G865183.3
New Zealandplayedwonlostw%
overall home record1910952.6
overall away record2481633.3
home record v G8134930.8
away record v G81331023.1
home record v non-G8660100
away record v non G8105550



Before New Zealand series:

Team
Bangladeshplayedwonlostw%
overall home record39162341.0%
overall away record2361626.1%
home record v G833112233.3%
away record v G8122916.7%
home record v non-G865183.3%
away record v non G8114736.4%
West Indiesplayedwonlostw%
overall home record44222050.0%
overall away record3892623.7%
home record v G834131938.2%
away record v G8272227.4%
home record v non-G8109190.0%
away record v non G8117463.6%
New Zealandplayedwonlostw%
overall home record23111147.8%
overall away record42142533.3%
home record v G81751129.4%
away record v G83292028.1%
home record v non-G8660100.0%
away record v non G8105550.0%
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Both NZ and BD are improving no doubt.

West Indies are taking a huge dip after losing their home series by 3-1 to a weak Pak side and dont forget losing to us 3-2 margin, and our best player who is an absolute beast on Bangladeshi pitches was not even there
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N.B. Neutral venues are considered as playing 'away'.

A few things stand out.

1) Our overall performance has improved since the Asia Cup.
2) We have a higher winning percentage v G8 teams this decade then the other 2 teams.
3) Only 3% overall winning percentage difference between Bangladesh and the top team New Zealand.
4) West Indies away record v G8 is truly abysmal winning only 2 from 27 matches, albeit 2 of those were a no result, but still that is shocking by their standards.
5) For some reason we seem to play twice as many matches at home then we do away and vice versa for New Zealand.
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There is a problem. If we win against WI, we get 1 victory. If we lose against them we get a loss. If WI gets a win against us, they get zero (0) victories. If they lose they get a loss. Pretty unfair in my opinion.
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We're not ranked in the top 8, until we are then we can make the adjustments.
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Both NZ and BD are improving no doubt.

West Indies are taking a huge dip after losing their home series by 3-1 to a weak Pak side and dont forget losing to us 3-2 margin, and our best player who is an absolute beast on Bangladeshi pitches was not even there
I have to respond to this!!..last year we murdered NZ 4-1 at home and also gave Australia (who were ranked number one at the time) a torrid time and was very unlucky to draw the series 2-2 (we should have won the drawn game).

This year we've had to play the best of the best. We went to Australia unprepard and lost 5-0!!..then we played the champions trophy and beat Pakistan, lost to India and was very unlucky to lose to SA via DL when Pollard got out just before the rain came.

So to this point we've been played consistently against TOP teams!!..our players come home and are thrown straight into a tri-series vs India and Sri-lanka!!..we beat both of them in the first two games but lost the other two!!..it was clear our boys were burnt out but the games just didn't stop as we had Pakistan a week later who were meant to be playing a test series against us but chickened out (they've never won a test series in the caribbean) and went for the one dayers!!..our boys tried hard but they just ran out of steam!!..and tbh luck just wasn't on our side in a few of the crucial games!!..especially the fourth one where rain came when we had Pakistan in trouble.

So this year we've played..

Australia= five times
Pakistan= six times
India= three times
Sri-lanka= twice
South Africa= once
Zimbabwe= three times

We won mathes against India, Pakistan and Sri-lanka in those games!!..so i wouldn't say we're "going backwards"..our one day team is a work in progress and more stars are emerging so to be honest i'm hopeful we'll start getting it right soon, and not many teams can say they've beaten all three of the asian giants in one year.
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