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Old July 31, 2015, 06:20 AM
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So what if he scores 50 and goes wicket less for 20 overs? Do we say the tactic is justified?
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Old July 31, 2015, 08:10 AM
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Definitely, if he scores 50 and bowl good enough (whether he gets wicket or not) he will justify and solidify his position and will be one of the heroes of this match.

its not an easy situation he is right now. I would be more than happy if can score 50 while protecting this tail of the tail enders. Actually that will be a great achievement... its will be like scoring a century.

For him getting wickets is great. But if he can bowl good enough and create pressure/ hold on in one end like Shahid, that helps the team and his fellow bowlers also. He is still our 3rd spinner and 5th bowler behind Jubair, Sakib, Mustafizur and Shahid. The front line bowlers should get the majority of the wickets.

What ever I have seen so far, he vastly improved his bowling and (I believe) he is very much capable of brining the X factor as a pert time bowler. But he haven't bowled in TEST yet in recent time. So lets wait and see how effective he will be.

btw regardless how much I wish both, SS & Litton, in the TEST team, I wish the best for Nasir. His success will bring more pressure to all the players to perform better to retain their position or come back to the team. This (more competition) will be good news for the team and the fans.
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Old July 31, 2015, 09:02 AM
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You missed the point. I am not talking about the individual but whether the "8th position" is important in terms of runs or wickets from a team perspective. We cant have both until we have a genuine all rounder and so which side should we beef up more? Bowling or batting? Mushy went for Hom first and now Nasir. Both highly defensive options. I would have gone for Al Amin or Rubel to take pressure off shahid and Mustafizur
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Old July 31, 2015, 10:04 AM
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If your top 4 bowler ( including Sakib) cannot take wicket expecting that your 5th bowler will take wicket is day dreaming.

Taizul didnt do that in last game, and most likely Nasir will take more wickets in TEST than what Rubel had done so far in TEST and bleed less runs. Al-Amin out of the picture right now and who knows how much he would impact in this pitch which looks like will favor the spinners as days goes by.

Unlike Hom, Nasir could turn out to be a very good selection. He is bowling pretty good as a fifth bowler.

It may sound defensive move, but personally I like it, it better than selecting Hom, Rubel or even Taizul for this game.
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Old July 31, 2015, 10:24 AM
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So it is not day dreaming to expect your 8th batsman to bail you out of trouble when the first 7 fails but picking 4 specialist bowlers is? Is our test team's weakness in batting or bowling?
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Old July 31, 2015, 10:33 AM
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It's a tough call now. When u have somebody like nasir at 8 who is first of all a batsman and then a decent bowler.

I first saw nasir playing for u-19s and he normally used to bowl almost full quota of overs and looking at his bowling I felt he is far far better than Naeem and mahmudullah who was playing at National team. Naeem was almost regularly opening the bowling or introduced in the first 10 overs and used to bowl full quota. Mahmudullah perhaps bowled 6-8. While shakib and Razzak were other spinners. Two pacers and these 4 were our bowling attack.

Looking at nasir, I thought this man is far far better than Naeem and Riad but in limited overs game.

Test match bowling is different. How much nasir does bowl in domestic FC? In odi,s you can bowl containing line drying up runs. But in test u need to bowl an attacking line looking for wickets. Test match spin bowling and limited overs spin bowling is a lot different. Our odi premium bowler Abdul Razzak found it tough in tests.

Now nasir has recently doing very well in ODI's. That prompted as to play him in the Test as 8.

Now what to expect from him?

OK, he comes to bat at 8. So he forms the last recognized pair with the batsman not out.

Assuming 1st innings, It can be 230/6 or worse when he comes to bat or 400/6. First case he need to rebuild with partnership . Second case he needs to accelerate. Then comes the protecting tail job. Sometimes playing for time. Some time acceleration . Some times both. Again our tail batsman being so much poor makes job for last batsman so tough.

Again in 2nd innings job will be different. Depending whether we are setting target, chasing target, or avoiding inning defeat or playing to draw. Test match is so complex.

Now comes bowling. With nasir coming at 8 we have , 3 bowlers plus shakib and then nasir. Now nasir is normally the 3rd spinner unless we have 3 pacers.

Now a 3rd spinner Is always a gamble. You expect ur main spinners to succeed more. If they fail, there is also more chance ur 3rd spinner may fail too. Again if ur main two spinners succeed may be 3rd spinner will not even get enough overs.

Well again we can say we have 3 different type of spinners, if two of them does well, that's good enough.

Now again u can question, after two pacers and two spinners what is better? A third spinner or a third pacer or a pure batsman?

The Shuvagata option at 8 did not work well.

Last game we had taijul, this game nasir, perhaps some could argue why not soumya at 8 ( or 7 with liton going to 8).

In test match so many match situations can happen. Different scenarios based on batting 1st or 2nd and 1st or 2nd innings.

So it's really tough to justify a tactic, until u have played enough games.

So whatever tactics we decide must give some time. But again with the less no of games we play it's tough for making long term tactics.
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Old July 31, 2015, 11:29 AM
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So it is not day dreaming to expect your 8th batsman to bail you out of trouble when the first 7 fails but picking 4 specialist bowlers is? Is our test team's weakness in batting or bowling?
Both is day dreaming in a way if you expect too much from #8 ( #8 as batsman and #5 bowler)


Your 8th batsman is most likely will not bail you out completely.

Your 4th bowler may not help you out that much based on what is your goal and what are the options and how many good all-rounder you have in the team. Sakib is your top three bowler, so basically you are picking a 5th bowler at #8. What are the option we had if we chose another specialized bowler? Rubel and Taizul. Al-Amin was not an option and SS is not yet established as a bowler. In top of that, most likely we are playing for a draw against top ranked team.

So selecting Rubel or Taizul doesn't look so appetizing to me, for this particular test. I am pretty sure Taizur will given more chances in other games in future.

This is a opportunity to see how Nasir developed as a spinner. May be the management thinks highly about Nasir's bowling, who knows. We have to wait and see how Nasir's selection pan out in this test.
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Old July 31, 2015, 12:37 PM
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To me team selection on this match was good. I don't see any benefit of taking two SLA in test team. Taking an off spinner is a good idea. But the thing is I have doubt about Nasir as a test bowler. He is not bad as a bowler in short format. But his FC record is not good at all and its poorer than Riyad and Hom. Recently he is doing better with the ball. I hope he will continue it.
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Old July 31, 2015, 01:24 PM
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So whatever tactics we decide must give some time. But again with the less no of games we play it's tough for making long term tactics.
My personal opinion:
We cannot win test matches without taking 20 wkts. It doesnt matter if we score a thousand runs. So the primary focus should be to have a bowling attack that can bowl the side out twice. Now traditionally bowling sides do go with 4 specialist bowlers and they are expected to do the job. How many test quality bowlers do we have? I would just say just Shakib and a newbie called Mustafizur. Given this situation you would want as many attacking options as you can in your bowling and expect that the top 6 batsman pull their pants up and bat well.

We have scored 500 runs and double centuries and we batted two days to draw test matches. Our weakness is not in batting. Our batsman need to stop throwing their wkts away and picking 8 batsman to me is like reinforcing failure.

Now Nasir has bowled well in the shorter format and could do well in test matches too. But i cant help feeling disappointed that we dont even have 4 specialist bowlers who deserve their own spot in a test team. The longer we persist with this strategy the longer the wait will be to find that attacking option to complete our bowling line up.
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Old July 31, 2015, 04:12 PM
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If we're selecting 3 seamers then it makes sense to leave Nasir out but if the idea is to take extra spinners I'd rather go with Nasir. Also I'd add Shahid to the list of test quality bowlers. He bowls with tremendous accuracy and on a different day he'll easily pick up a few wickets bowling worse than he did against SA. Based on the recent performance of spinners against G8, I can't see someone like Taijul doing much better than Nasir. On a scale of 1 to 10 if Taijul is 7, Nasir is probably 6. Also Nasir can bowl slow medium like Van Zyl which at times can come in pretty handy. I also like Soumya as our 4th seamer. In the second test against Pak if we had batted first and selected Mustafiz in Sharapova's place the outcome of the match most likely would've been different.
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Old August 14, 2015, 02:17 PM
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In Short format Nasir is gradually becoming a good contributor by both bowling batting and fielding. I think he will be not a bad batsman in test cricket. Now my question is what you feel about his bowling ability in long format? Will he be as successful as ODI in test cricket as a bowler? PLease give your opinion.
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Old August 14, 2015, 02:18 PM
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absolutely not, he is not a good turner of the ball and keeping it tight in tests doesn't count. He simply pushes the ball through without giving it any air.

But i think he can be successful as a test bat because he certainly has the temperament to stick in the crease
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Old August 14, 2015, 02:31 PM
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absolutely not, he is not a good turner of the ball and keeping it tight in tests doesn't count. He simply pushes the ball through without giving it any air.

But i think he can be successful as a test bat because he certainly has the temperament to stick in the crease
I do think like you as well. His bowling style don't suit well with test cricket. His stats are even worse than Riyad and Hom As a bowler. Now the question arises about the 5th bowler. In our last test Nasir played as 5th bowler with Riyad. Should we stick with this combination? To me Riyad is not bad as a 5th bowler if Nasir can improve his bowling bit more as he is doing in ODI then it will be interesting.
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He used to turn the ball, doesn't really do that anymore, if he turns it he becomes and option but otherwise as said riyad is a better 5th bowling option in tests.
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Old August 15, 2015, 04:40 AM
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He used to turn the ball, doesn't really do that anymore, if he turns it he becomes and option but otherwise as said riyad is a better 5th bowling option in tests.
I am just hoping some improvement in his test bowling. A 20% improvement can serve the purpose. What he need is to develop more wicket taking delevaries. In that case Riyad Nasir combination as a 5th bowler will do a great job and strengthen the batting department. As spinners can bowl lot of overs hardly we need 3 full time spinners. Specially don't feel any need of 2 SLA in the team. I loved the last bowling attack against SA test.
Shahid 15 overs
Mustafiz 15 overs
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Jubayer 20 overs
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Honestly, not a fan of playing 8 batsman given that the 8th batsman is Nasir, who is not going to be of much use with the ball. We ideally want to have 3 pace bowlers in the future, that is the way to go.

Wished someone like Mukhtar Ali or even Abul Hasan would prosper and we would have a decent no. 8
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Playing Nasir as 2nd spinner to Shakib is the best option. Nasir is in peak form with the ball and atleast 2 spinners is a must, also in case of collapse he can chip in.
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Playing Nasir as 2nd spinner to Shakib is the best option. Nasir is in peak form with the ball and atleast 2 spinners is a must, also in case of collapse he can chip in.
This is more effective in the shorter format. Nasir will have jubair, Taijul, riyad, and Shakib to work with(In tests).
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Nasir did not even mention glaxose D
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With that look, Nasir defo have a future in Bangladesh movie industry as a villain
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He loves to watch Liton Das's batting? Hmm!!! I need to watch Liton"s batting again
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Old August 25, 2015, 07:18 AM
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He loves to watch Liton Das's batting? Hmm!!! I need to watch Liton"s batting again
I was also surprised to know Nasir loves Liton batting.
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Old August 25, 2015, 10:06 AM
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Litton is a wonderful batsman and a phenomenal talent. Ofcourse Nasir loves his batting like everyone elso who have a functional brain does. Plus, he was the xfactor in Rangpur's title triumph last NCL and we know what Rangpur means to Nasir. Rangpur was playing only their fourth season in history, Chittagong, Barisal and Sylhet have played all 15 seasons and never won.
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