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Old June 28, 2011, 05:22 PM
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Default Shob-e-Borat and other South Asian "innovations"

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lol,Bangladesh er cheye England er muslimra beshi namazi,Sakib tader chape poira.....

just kidding but it's true,if u go to Eng or SA u will see how religious they r.
Bangladesh isn't a very religious country, and has interpreted a lot of it wrong.
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Old June 29, 2011, 07:10 AM
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Bangladesh isn't a very religious country, and has interpreted a lot of it wrong.
ditto
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Old June 29, 2011, 07:36 AM
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Bangladesh isn't a very religious country, and has interpreted a lot of it wrong.
please don't portrait wrong picture of bangladesh by looking at bunch of people from dhaka. You could say we are not ex-trim like people from London but don't say we are not religious...
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Old June 29, 2011, 07:37 AM
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please don't portrait wrong picture of bangladesh by looking at bunch of people from dhaka. You could say we are not ex-trim like people from London but don't say we are not religious...
Have you heard of this thing called Shob e borat? It is complete nonsense.
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Old June 29, 2011, 08:01 AM
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Have you heard of this thing called Shob e borat? It is complete nonsense.

This is not nonsense but BD te jebhabe celebrate kora hoy, most probably it's wrong. Allah knows the best.
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Old June 29, 2011, 08:04 AM
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This is not nonsense but BD te jebhabe celebrate kora hoy, most probably it's wrong. Allah knows the best.
Can I explain NZB (lol).

Shab-e-Barat’ is observed with due solemnity and religious fervor in different parts of the world. Specially in this subcontinent, the night is observed as an age old celebration. Although the references as to observance of ‘Shab-e-Barat’ in the Holy Hadith are regarded as weak injunctions, but the night draws a large number of devotees to salat, fasting, ziarat, poor feeding, sweet distribution and more!

Devoted Muslims of only Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan celebrate the ‘Shab-e-Barat’ on the 15th day of Shaban (the eighth month of the Islamic lunar calendar). Although this night is not celebrated in any other Muslim land. ‘Shab-e-Barat’, also known as ‘Laylatul Barat’ or ‘Laylatul Nusfmin Shaban’, is a traditional Islamic day of festival and worship in the South Asia. According to the ascetic Muslims, this is the day of divine benediction. Offering prayers and fasting in this particular day is said to have greater acceptance from God.

But if one traces back the root of this prestigious night, one might come up with the fact that “No” verse of the Holy Quran has any indication pointing to the existence of any such an occasion called ‘Shab-e-Barat’. The result is same if one goes through the authentic ‘Ahadeeth’ (plural of Hadeeth), which is the sayings or doings of our great Prophet Muhammad. Nothing firm and reliable has been established on the authority of the Prophet that he held nigh vigil prayer and fasted during the day of the 15th of ‘Shaban’. So, the night of the 15th of ‘Shaban’ is like any other night, and if someone regularly observes acts of worship during other nights, then he may hold night vigil prayer on this night without assuming anything special.

It should be noted that an Islamic celebration must have its evidences in the two penultimate sources of Islam, the Quran and the Hadeeth. According to the Islamic creed, none has the right to innovate a way of worship. Only the God and his messenger, our great Prophet, hold the right to set such an occasion.

In Islam, if there is no authentic proof in an act then the act is regarded as an innovation and all innovations are misguidance. So, what we can finally tell is that, though this celebration will be observed with utmost respect by the contemporary Muslim society here in the subcontinent, but one should really think seriously about what it is all about.
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Old June 29, 2011, 08:10 AM
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Brother Shafi, whats your stance on Milad? and Eid-e-miladunnabi?
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Old June 29, 2011, 08:15 AM
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It is wrong, as you should not be celebrating the birthday of the Prophet, as he himself did not celebrate it.

We praise and thank Him for having blessed us with the light of certainty, and for having granted us strength and courage to continuously hold fast to His strong rope. These favours are all out of His Bounty and Grace. We testify that there is no deity besides Almighty Allah, Who is alone, and has no partner or associates, and that, without doubt, our Beloved Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Servant and Messenger of Allah, the Leader of those who are first and those who are last. May Allah send His Salaams and Blessings upon him, his Household and Progeny, his Companions and those who follow their path until the Day of Judgement (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and (always) say a word directed to the Right".

Allah's Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever believes in Allah and the Hereafter should either say what is good, or otherwise remain silent".

It is every Muslim's duty to show people the truth in anticipation that they would follow it clearly and evidently and certainly not blindly. For truth is as clear as the sun in broad daylight. This brief introduction is due to what we have been hearing recently, as far as the celebration of the birthday of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is concerned. Falsehood is regretabally attributed to such a noble event and mischief is stated as to the illegitimacy of celebrating such an esteemed occasion. Thus leaving ordinary people in a state of confusion not knowing whether they should partake in celebrating the event or otherwise. This is so, since the people who raise objection to the Meelad feel that they are at liberty to fabricate events in Islamic history and the traditions of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).

Therefore, we felt that it is incumbent upon us, and upon those who possess knowledge of Shari'ah, to clearly explain to the Muslim masses the truth about Meelad.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever brings forth an innovation into our religion which is not part of it, it is rejected".

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) also said: "Beware of inventive matters for every invention is an innovation and every innovation is evil".

Those who quote these two Ahadith claim that the word "Kul" which means "EVERY" or "ALL" which is mentioned in the above two Ahadith is used to include everything, i.e. all kinds of innovations or "Bid'ah" without any exception. They conclude therefore, that all innovations are "evil".

By stating such an ill-fated statement, they have in fact accused the scholars (Ulema) of the Muslim World of committing "evil" innovations, particularly Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu). However, they quickly respond and say: No, we did not mean the Companions (Sahaba Ikraam). In reply to that we say, yes, indeed you did so, because you said "every" or "all" innovations are "evil".

And you have rejected what the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) himself approved, i.e."Tarawih Prayers".

We will now quote before you many actions which were not carried out during the life of Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) but were in fact done following his demise by his Companions (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).
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Old June 29, 2011, 08:19 AM
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^^^ guys you need to discuss this in fc section.

Just a word of advice. Religion is our weakness and sometime it's better to keep it away from Internet discussion as some people will have views that you don't want to hear. That's why you normally don't see me in religious discussion

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Old June 29, 2011, 08:32 AM
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^^^ guys you need to discuss this in fc section.

Just a word of advice. Religion is our weakness and sometime it's better to keep it away from Internet discussion as some people will have views that you don't want to hear. That's why you normally don't see me in religious discussion

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Old June 29, 2011, 08:33 AM
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It is wrong, as you should not be celebrating the birthday of the Prophet, as he himself did not celebrate it.
Should we not watch cricket as well?
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Old June 29, 2011, 09:48 AM
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^^^ guys you need to discuss this in fc section.

Just a word of advice. Religion is our weakness and sometime it's better to keep it away from Internet discussion as some people will have views that you don't want to hear. That's why you normally don't see me in religious discussion

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Religion is NOT our weakness. Our "iman" is weak, hence we are scared to talk about religion. I'm not gonna get into the details as I do agree, this is a cricket forum and we should not talk about religion here.
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Old June 29, 2011, 10:03 AM
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Religion is NOT our weakness. Our "iman" is weak, hence we are scared to talk about religion. I'm not gonna get into the details as I do agree, this is a cricket forum and we should not talk about religion here.
This is not about the strength of our Iman. Its about our knowledge. We do not have enough knowledge about Islam or any religion to begin with and thats why we are scared to get into any kind of discussions.
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Moved here from the TIK thread.
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Old June 29, 2011, 04:26 PM
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Good job, Razab.

Ridiculous amount of religious xenophobia these days.
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Old June 29, 2011, 05:39 PM
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Good job, Razab.

Ridiculous amount of religious xenophobia these days.
I'm not xenophobic
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@Banglaguy - then why make that Kapali comment???
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Old June 29, 2011, 06:07 PM
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@Banglaguy - then why make that Kapali comment???
Sorry bro, that was rude, and a spur of the moment thing. Please accept my humble apologies, as I now am feeling bad for my comment.
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Banglaguy raised some valid point. But it must be noted that not all "inventions" are necesarily bad. The excessive celebration during Shob-e-barat" is something I personally don't like. Others like Milads are ok, I can't find fault with it. There is worse distortions going on with our religion these days then nitpick on little things like Milad and Shob-e-Barat.

But we should take steps to eradicate some practices/beliefs that are prevalent only in South Asian muslim community and have no place in Quran/Hadith and wider Islamic community. Such as:

1) Must not sleep with feet facing west
2) must face west when reciting Quran
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ammii bhalo asi...

kafer hoisi...karo sathe pache nai...nijer life nijei lead kori
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And Allah knows best. It is always better to avoid 'Bidaah' (Innovation) and stick to the Quran and Sunnah. In Bangladesh, so many ill practices exist. Some of note-
1. The Sense of 'Mazar' in Bangladesh and people worshipping the 'so-called' Pirs in a Mazar (Nawuzubillah).
2. Lighting Graveyards.
3. The 'Orosh shommelon' and ' Ashek-e Rasul'.
And there are many other major sins that we must eradicate from the societies. Honestly speaking, many people in our country don't avail the straight path to Jannah but are always busy with activities that are highly controversial in the light of 'Islamic Shariah'.
Let Allah bless us all and show us the true path. Ameen.
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isnaad ki new york-er recent legislation pash korar por obhotor ta dila naki....

j/k....guessing you are the red one.
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isnaad ki new york-er recent legislation pash korar por obhotor ta dila naki....

j/k....guessing you are the red one.
obhotor? Lol you meant avatar I assume..! And apparently both the boys in my avy are red so you need to be more specific. And no it was given way before that legalization and has nothing to do with New York.

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Default Ramadan in Alaska

seems it is a good place to ask the question:

source: http://alaska.org/when-to-visit.jsp

June 21 is the longest day of the year, with 19 hours of daylight in Anchorage, 22 in Fairbanks, and 18 in Southeast. But from early May through September, days are considerably longer than at lower latitudes.
Alaska's sky is light nearly all night long from late May to late July (unless you're out and about at 3am). And it's light past 10pm for another month on either side of that.

During ramadan (when coincide with this period), muslims has to fast 18 to 22 hours for 30 days in a row

Is there any exception(like during travel) for the muslim want to live in alaska or anywhere in the world with similar latitude range?
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And Allah knows best. It is always better to avoid 'Bidaah' (Innovation) and stick to the Quran and Sunnah. In Bangladesh, so many ill practices exist. Some of note-
1. The Sense of 'Mazar' in Bangladesh and people worshipping the 'so-called' Pirs in a Mazar (Nawuzubillah).
2. Lighting Graveyards.
3. The 'Orosh shommelon' and ' Ashek-e Rasul'.
And there are many other major sins that we must eradicate from the societies. Honestly speaking, many people in our country don't avail the straight path to Jannah but are always busy with activities that are highly controversial in the light of 'Islamic Shariah'.
Let Allah bless us all and show us the true path. Ameen.
Every innovation needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. Mazar worships are definitely bad and is another product of rural areas. One cant tag all innovations with same brush.

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