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Old May 8, 2011, 03:29 AM
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Default Shane Warne as our head coach?

There are a few reasons why I think a Shane Warne-type coach would be the best option for us.

1. We do not have the likes of Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara or Kallis; but that should not come as an excuse for losing matches. We need to utilize the resources we do have; and our Tamim, Shakib, Shabbir, Kayes, Raj, Mash, Ash should be jelled together as a team to win matches. I think, a Shane Warne-type coach is the best option to get that done.

2. I think cricket is a sport and living live in it is far more important than boosting statistics. Therefore, the attempt to respect the sport and win it matters more than scoring a certain amount of runs irrespective of the match situation. Consistency is a highly over rated concept in cricket and for the sake of some consistency of scoring those runs (even which is not always possible in practice), we should not disrespect the sport. Moreover, I think, consistency and the attempt to win matches are not mutually exclusive; if the game can be approached properly. Shane Warne, with his 'find a way' attitude can do wonders in this respect.

3. I think, the best way to get the maximum out of the players is to take the responsibility by the coach himself than blaming and criticising the players especially in public. If a certain player does not follow the team plan and fails, there is always the option of replacing him. So, I do not see any reason to humiliate him in public. Shane Warne, as it seems, is an ideal option in taking the responsibility on his shoulder than saying X,Y,Z in his team are craps.

4. Cricket is a process with the ultimate goal of providing entertainment to its spectators by showing skills and winning matches. The process includes both individual entities and the 'team'. I think, there is no conflict in interest if the efforts of individuals are directed towards the team's goal. When the team does well, the stats of individuals takes care of itself. I think, Shane Warne style of approaching the game utilizes the individual efforts towards achieving the team goal.

5. The head coach must be a strategist. As a cricketer himself, he must have good knowledge of 'technique'; but he must be a great and dynamic planner. I think, Shane warne himself knows enough about the techniques of different aspects of cricket. Moreover, we do have coaches that are specialists in techniques. So, being a good strategician is a very high priority quality for the head coach. I think, Shane Warne does possess that quality.

6. The world does not make any progress if everyone is satisfied with the state of the art. This applies to the team building process as well. One must not make unnecessary chopping and changes in the team composition; but when some players are not able to perform the roles the team needs them to perform, new options must be sought for. This needs an insight in judging the players in a team, not based on fame; but based on the ability of playing those roles. I think, Shane Warne is good in doing that as well.

7. A head coach must have good man management skill. Shane Warne seems to have this quality, at least within his team.

Problems:

1. People like him need good support and the freedom to innovate things. This may not be always possible with the BCB. But overall, even Siddons was given enough opportunity. So, Shane Warne may get just enough freedom to do so.

2. Innovation looks ugly when it completely fails. If the players are not motivated enough to trust in unconventional thinking process and the result does not show early, it may put the coach in a politically bad situation. Motivating the players should be, therefore, part of the job. And the coach must be able to self-evaluate and be honest with his evaluation.

3. Average human beings are afraid of innovation. With the political culture we do have, it may not be even supported well by the BCB.

But at least, it worths a try.

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Old May 8, 2011, 03:46 AM
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I love the idea but don't think it can happen.
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Old May 8, 2011, 03:59 AM
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Since he is also retiring from IPL...so u never knows ...it might happpen actually!!!!!!!!!!
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Old May 8, 2011, 04:04 AM
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^ I was also going to say the same in reply to Sohel bhai's comment. I think, Bangladesh can pay enough money to the head coach.
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Old May 8, 2011, 04:34 AM
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can we also have Liz Hurley as our psy
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Australia great Shane Warne has made another attack on coaches saying the role is unnecessary.

"I believe you need a manager rather than a coach," said Warne, whose side begin the Ashes series on 23 November. "As an international cricketer, you know you're good enough and you don't need a coach getting too technical."


You really want a guy like THIS running it?
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Old May 8, 2011, 06:44 AM
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no doubt he would be a great coach...but be practical guys.....he is not going to stay in bd for the whole year no matter what....
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Before even getting into the discussion about how good a coach for BD he will make, I just don't think it's gonna hppen.

Shane Warne is the ultimate Aussie 'bloke': he loves his VB (an Australian beer), he loves Aussie Rules Football - he repesented AFL club St Kilda at grade level, he plays Poker, he lives a vibrant nightlife and being of somewhat promiscuous nature, loves his shenanigans with (many) women. Now playing for the Royals in IPL for a 2-3 month period for mega bucks is one thing, coming to a subcontinental country of very different culture as a head coach for a 3-4 year period is completely another and I just don't think even a lot of money is going to make it happen, given that he already has lucrative commentary contract and for a while even had his own chat show that aired on Channel Nine!
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Old May 8, 2011, 08:07 AM
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Australia great Shane Warne has made another attack on coaches saying the role is unnecessary.

"I believe you need a manager rather than a coach," said Warne, whose side begin the Ashes series on 23 November. "As an international cricketer, you know you're good enough and you don't need a coach getting too technical."

You really want a guy like THIS running it?
Actually this (attitude) is the reason why I want him to become our coach.
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Australia great Shane Warne has made another attack on coaches saying the role is unnecessary.

"I believe you need a manager rather than a coach," said Warne, whose side begin the Ashes series on 23 November. "As an international cricketer, you know you're good enough and you don't need a coach getting too technical."


You really want a guy like THIS running it?
He is absolutely right. At International stage you SHOULD know how to play cricket and be good enough. A Coach should not be teaching you how to play cricket.

At this stage a manager/psychologist should be teaching you how to handle pressure, how to win tight matches. How to out-think your opponent!

Anyway he won't be for the reason mentioned by cricket_fanatic.
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Old May 8, 2011, 09:39 AM
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He is absolutely right. At International stage you SHOULD know how to play cricket and be good enough. A Coach should not be teaching you how to play cricket.

At this stage a manager/psychologist should be teaching you how to handle pressure, how to win tight matches. How to out-think your opponent!

Anyway he won't be for the reason mentioned by cricket_fanatic.
Of course he WAS right.... for AUSTRALIA. But that was 2005 and Australia has fallen away and their (lack of) coaching is now an issue having lost the ASHES THREE TIMES since he said that.

For BD, a coach is needed to teach and to educate. Warne cannot/would not do this as he doesn't even believe in it himself, making him a hypocrite if he now goes into coaching (as he will) with the Rajastan Royals so he can keep raking in their money.

When will people realise that it is ALWAYS about the money and not be so gullable when listing 'big names'.
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Old May 8, 2011, 09:53 AM
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Now wouldn't that be good. Though some overrate him as some tactical genius, I'd say he's quite innovative and will help BD a lot in improving their tactics etc. Plus mah boy can learn a few tricks from him too.
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Can we pay him more than Rajasthan?..dont think so....but great players like him should search for challenge..and what can be more challenging then BD coaching job..and he has earned enough from ipl!
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So who are the Shane Warne types?
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Has the S and W:

Steve Waugh. Proven winner. Wants to get back in to cricket. Great Mentor, tactician. Batting - Bowling - fielding - captaining from the sideline. Is there anything left to be covered?
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Old May 8, 2011, 02:04 PM
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^ Steve Waugh will probably be a good choice as well.
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One of the really important questions is will he want to be coach? Probably not, but who knows?
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Of course he WAS right.... for AUSTRALIA. But that was 2005 and Australia has fallen away and their (lack of) coaching is now an issue having lost the ASHES THREE TIMES since he said that.

For BD, a coach is needed to teach and to educate. Warne cannot/would not do this as he doesn't even believe in it himself, making him a hypocrite if he now goes into coaching (as he will) with the Rajastan Royals so he can keep raking in their money.

When will people realise that it is ALWAYS about the money and not be so gullable when listing 'big names'.
Teaching cricket should be done before players play for the national team. At least that should be the long term goal. Although our national team players may be weaker in cricket knowledge (as it is assumed by many), they certainly know cricket and they do not need any private-tutoring of cricket basics from the head coach.

About the comment about coaching, you are probably mis-reading his comment. Just two or 3 days back, during a MI IPL match, Johnty Rhodes told the same/similar thing about MI's fielding. He does not teach, he keeps faith in them and keeps them fit.

I read Shane Warne's comment as paying respect and to and confidence on the players.
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Old May 8, 2011, 02:18 PM
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One of the really important questions is will he want to be coach? Probably not, but who knows?
That is why I mentioned the word 'type'. First we have to decide what we want from the coach. Steve Waugh also goes well with my expectation.
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I was thinking of this after reading this article:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/514164.html
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I was thinking of this after reading this article:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/514164.html
Good article. I did not know that he captained Aus in the ODI. The key point of the article is making the players feel important for the team. That automatically translates into employing 100% effort of each individual for the team.
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Teaching cricket should be done before players play for the national team. At least that should be the long term goal. Although our national team players may be weaker in cricket knowledge (as it is assumed by many), they certainly know cricket and they do not need any private-tutoring of cricket basics from the head coach.

About the comment about coaching, you are probably mis-reading his comment. Just two or 3 days back, during a MI IPL match, Johnty Rhodes told the same/similar thing about MI's fielding. He does not teach, he keeps faith in them and keeps them fit.

I read Shane Warne's comment as paying respect and to and confidence on the players.
I feel people are getting VERY confused between coaching a Test team and coaching a made up IPL team for 6 weeks, that includes world class players in each team, being paid ridiculous sums of money with no real care for the team they are playing.

Not being funny but you could probably put a cardboard cut out in charge of an IPL team. Coaches here are almost completely irrelevant. It's why the IPL is FULL of Australian coaches because each coach just brings in a 'mate' from home.

I have to disagree that the BD players don't require coaching either, and therefore by implication, are the finished article. They do indeed lack many of the basics to be successful at International level. This is well-documented. People would agree with you they SHOULDN'T need it, but they do. This is exactly why a coach who is not going to do coaching, is quite the wrong choice and as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Warne would never come to BD anyway. Epic fail of a thread
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I feel people are getting VERY confused between coaching a Test team and coaching a made up IPL team for 6 weeks, that includes world class players in each team, being paid ridiculous sums of money with no real care for the team they are playing.

Not being funny but you could probably put a cardboard cut out in charge of an IPL team. Coaches here are almost completely irrelevant. It's why the IPL is FULL of Australian coaches because each coach just brings in a 'mate' from home.

I have to disagree that the BD players don't require coaching either, and therefore by implication, are the finished article. They do indeed lack many of the basics to be successful at International level. This is well-documented. People would agree with you they SHOULDN'T need it, but they do. This is exactly why a coach who is not going to do coaching, is quite the wrong choice and as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Warne would never come to BD anyway. Epic fail of a thread
I agree with all those comments of you.

IPL is for donating money to XYZs. So, IPL coaches do not need to do absolutely any work. IPL franchises just want to give away free money. So, they create such posts for coaches, who do not care for those teams at all, just take the money and run.

BD national team players are like nobojato sishu in cricket. And all those specialist coaches are just sock puppets. So, the head coach must teach them the abc of cricket.

And the thread is an epic fail for sure, because I am wasting my time writing this reply to you. And of course, Warne will never be allowed the visa to enter Bangladesh.
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Australia great Shane Warne has made another attack on coaches saying the role is unnecessary.

"I believe you need a manager rather than a coach," said Warne, whose side begin the Ashes series on 23 November. "As an international cricketer, you know you're good enough and you don't need a coach getting too technical."


You really want a guy like THIS running it?
He is write about what he is saying. There is nothing wrong about it. But that just shows that he is not the right guy for us, as we do need our coach to get "technical."
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I agree with all those comments of you.

IPL is for donating money to XYZs. So, IPL coaches do not need to do absolutely any work. IPL franchises just want to give away free money. So, they create such posts for coaches, who do not care for those teams at all, just take the money and run.

BD national team players are like nobojato sishu in cricket. And all those specialist coaches are just sock puppets. So, the head coach must teach them the abc of cricket.

And the thread is an epic fail for sure, because I am wasting my time writing this reply to you. And of course, Warne will never be allowed the visa to enter Bangladesh.
Your sarcasm is well noted, thank you, but misplaced.

Im not saying specialist coaches are a waste of time. In fact they are more important in many cases than a head coach in a country like BD. And Warne is not coming to BD because he has commitments and contracts elsewhere, wouldn't want to come and couldn't be paid enough; not because he won't be allowed to due to VISA.

Trying to make a posting seem ridiculous with sarcasm doesn't make the posting any less true. We all know Warne isn't coming and he would be a financial & cricketing disaster for BD cricket and the BCB if he did.

He's a lovely guy I am sure. His history suggests he is interested in SK WARNE.

IPL is owned by Bollywood stars and businessmen who love the big names to rub shoulders with. No one can blame them. They buy friendship and loyalty with huge sums of money. It's not about coaching ability. Everyone realises that.
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Shane Warne!!

He has a number of commitments including his poker tournaments and TV commentator role. He will probably be more interested in fixing his dates with celebrity women than adjusting the techniques of our boys. Our boys will probably pick up the wrong skills from him not the wrong uns.

We need someone whose first priority will be coaching our boys.
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