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Old March 30, 2011, 05:57 PM
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Pakistan is not winning, they have never beaten India in world cup and it will remain that way. I am supporting India.
I stand corrected, Pakistan doesn't have it in them to beat India. 5 - 0
Well played Team India and congratulations to all Indians here
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Old March 31, 2011, 02:43 AM
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sachin has played every one of those matches and was MoM in 2011, 2003 and way back in 1992 !! this guys is unbelievable ! like one of those duracell bunnies, he doesn't stop.
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sachin has played every one of those matches and was MoM in 2011, 2003 and way back in 1992 !! this guys is unbelievable ! like one of those duracell bunnies, he doesn't stop.

It is funny how so many good cricketers started playing way after Sachin did, and have all stopped playing now either due to retirement or being dropped.
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Old March 31, 2011, 04:15 AM
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take gary kirsten, he had his international debut in 1993, 4 years after sachin, had a brilliant career by any yardstick and retired in 2004. 7 years on, he is the coach of the Indian team and sachin is still playing as good as ever !!

waqar and sachin debuted in the same match in pakistan, he is now coach of pakistan.
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Paki win is good for the TV viewers in Bangladesh.
We wont have to see Tendulkar selling toothpick or Dhoni trying to wipe his a** with new diper.
More importantly, sidhu would stop yelling crap.

On finals, Srilanka win is good.
Sure atleast they have that value to sell those products. Well i see some budding wannabe's doing the same , now thats pissing.

You can never stop sidhu yelling, no matter what . He will comeback again for India's next game with papa new guinea and say the same
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Old April 1, 2011, 04:23 AM
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Akaash Chopra summed it up nicely, the forecast was not good. As the match is over and India won, everybody could release a pacified breather.

I recommend every Indian read this and try to educate their next generation and so forth.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/508967.html
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Old April 1, 2011, 11:31 PM
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what utter tosh, Ind v Pak in cricket is anything but 'just another cricket match'. it is precisely because of that this match allowed an engagement at a far higher level, between the PM's of two countries (although I am extremely sceptical if manmohan singh's efforts will be reciprocated by anything more than words by pakistan). even so, every effort for peace should be made and only cricket has allowed it. one cannot have the good effect of this match and then turn around and say 'oh it's just another match'. repeating this ad nauseam doesn't make it true either unless you are a diehard fan of goebbels.
forget Ind-pak, it is never just another cricket match for any team from the sub-continent, let's see what sanga says
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"It [winning the World Cup] means everything. We have come through a very tough period. A lot of people have laid down lives for our country. In this new future, hopefully we can take home the World Cup, and that will be even more occasion for celebration."
doesn't sound like just another cricket match does it ?

as for the rest of his nonsensical khichudi of semi-comprehended bits of history and sociology, it just goes on to show why he is a failed cricketer and not a bigwig of the foreign ministry. is it surprising that a media that sensationalises every damn thing hypes an important cricket match as well ? and that makes us an irresponsible nation ?
what the duffer from delhi forgets is that we are not the one that sends terrorists to other countries to kill their innocent people, we are the country that invites the PM of the country that continues to send terrorists to kill our innocent people.

bottomline, akash chopra should stick to cricket, bleak as his prospect is(kicked out of his state team), he doesn't have much of a future in foreign policy analysis.
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what the duffer from delhi forgets is that we are not the one that sends terrorists to other countries to kill their innocent people, we are the country that invites the PM of the country that continues to send terrorists to kill our innocent people.

bottomline, akash chopra should stick to cricket, bleak as his prospect is(kicked out of his state team), he doesn't have much of a future in foreign policy analysis.
Hold on there, you do not want to start a whole new debate right here. I find AC was very vocal on his point and I agree to it.

His entire write-up was not about your winning, it was actually trying to depict what would have happened exactly what this thread OP tried to forecast in the first place.
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what whole new debate ? vocal on what point ? in your excitement you have forgotten to mention those.
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Old April 2, 2011, 04:32 AM
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Looking at the hype and hysteria that surrounds every India-Pakistan encounter, one wonders whether India has really evolved as a responsible nation

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Was it really good-spirited patriotism that strutted itself in all forms decipherable in the lead up the semi-final game against Pakistan, or was it in fact an obsessive case of fervent jingoism? The support for the Indian team bordered on crass, the nation did not just support Team India but ridiculed the opposition. The media, in order to grab eyeballs and increase TRPs, went to unimaginable extremes and added fuel to the fire. Losing to Pakistan seemed no longer an option for the Men in Blue. But wasn't it a game of cricket in which one side had to lose? Yes, it was the semi-final of the World Cup and hence an important game, but would the build-up have been the same if the opponent had been any other team? I doubt it. In fact, now that we have beaten Pakistan it's considered okay if we lose to Sri Lanka in the final, for we have been avenged. Don't you find it strange? What does it tell you about our evolution as a responsible nation?

Let me go back to the 1920s when India was reeling under the British rule and cricket, a European sport, was finding its feet in India. There was an annual quadrangular tournament featuring a team each of Hindus, Muslims, Parsis and the British. Initially, these matches were played and seen as a sport but when the freedom movement gained steam, the stakes changed too. These annual cricket encounters were seen and used as the vehicles to assert our presence and our right to freedom. Every British loss on the cricket pitch was viewed as the nation's victory over its rulers. And one could easily relate to those emotions because the country was struggling for its existence and survival. But even then the Indians (called natives) didn't take up the sport to get even with the rulers; they took it up because they liked playing it.

Post independence and the division of the country, we just carried forward the same sentiment i.e. sport being the vehicle to assert supremacy. The relations between India and Pakistan remained sour for the longest time. We've fought wars and still continue to have other equally important issues plaguing us. Yet, there's enough reason to believe that we as people, have matured and come a long way in trimming down that animosity, especially via Bollywood and numerous other cultural exchanges, perhaps reiterating time and again that the rivalry is only political. Or at least I'd like to believe that India has definitely evolved and has become a responsible nation. Unfortunately though, all it took was a cricket match to topple that process of evolution. Are we not, in a sense, pushing ourselves back a 100 years?

Besides that would it not be fair to spare a moment of thought for cricketers involved in the game? We cricketers are also the product of the environment we've grown in. We also understand the importance of an India-Pakistan game and dearly want to beat them every time we meet. But we also realise that it might not be possible every single time, for a game of cricket is not won by the team that is more emotionally charged but by that team which executes its plans properly and has the skill to support those plans. We know that we carry the expectations of a billion people and would do anything to not let them down. But at the same time we are humans too and can take only so much pressure. We try to insulate ourselves by not reading the newspapers or watching the news channels but despite our best efforts, we can't completely go into our cocoon. While we want to think positively all the time, the thought of a possible loss followed by a backlash finds its way into our mind. What if we lose this game against Pakistan? Will our effigies be burnt across India? Will our houses be vandalised and will our families be safe? Will we be the nation's pariah just because we couldn't win a game of cricket?



It's about time that we, as a nation, answer these questions. Are we going to behave like this every time we play Pakistan? If we detest them so much, it may not be a bad idea to severe all cricketing ties with them, for a cricket match can't be used as a benchmark to prove our superiority as a nation. Every time we behave like the way we did this time, it pulls us down as a responsible nation




You must be thinking right now -- since we love you so much, it's only fair to receive the ridicule. While we agree that we are what we are because of your love and support, we are humans too who can and should be allowed to fail from time to time. Memories from 2003 loom large in my mind, when fans vandalised Mohammad Kaif's house and left the players completely gobsmacked. For the first time ever, we felt unsure about our families, and their safety back home. I also vividly remember my tour to Pakistan in 2004. That was the first time I saw cricket being the lead story on the front page of all national dailies for almost every single day. As a player, however much you want the recognition, you'd rather stay within the sports pages, for the repercussions of featuring on the front pages can be manifold. We have in a way, learnt to take even appreciation with a pinch of salt.

I, personally, have taken immense pleasure when we defeated Pakistan in Multan and Rawalpindi and felt gutted when we lost to them at Lahore. The point I'm trying to make is that we also go through the same set of emotions as you do, albeit objectively. And believe me, the Pakistan cricketers, who are otherwise a friendly lot, don't forget to remind us about the repercussions of a possible loss during an event. While they envy the status our cricketers enjoy, they're happy that their country receives a loss in a much better fashion. England did not go to Zimbabwe during the 2003 World Cup because they received threats. While the English players were warned by the outsiders, cricketers in India get that word of warning, quite strangely, from their own fans.

It's about time that we, as a nation, answer these questions. Are we going to behave like this every time we play Pakistan? If we detest them so much, it may not be a bad idea to sever all cricketing ties with them, for a cricket match can't be used as a benchmark to prove our superiority as a nation. Every time we behave like the way we did this time, it pulls us down as a responsible nation. The choice is ours.
Former India opener Aakash Chopra is the author of Beyond the Blues, an account of the 2007-08 Ranji Trophy season. His website is here and his Twitter feed here

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Please also read the comments, at least you will know sanity prevails in quite a few in this medieval madness.
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sanity will prevail when the perpetrators of 26/11 are brought to justice and served the sentences that they deserve. cricket diplomacy would achieve zilch when the medieval nutjobs are hailed as heroes in pakistan. nothing we say or do in India can end that madness, only pakistan can change itself.
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Just opposite of what is happening right now in Wankhede.
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"For me it will be dedicated to the people who lost their lives in the 26/11 massacre."
- Gautam Gambhir on the world cup win
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"For me it will be dedicated to the people who lost their lives in the 26/11 massacre."
- Gautam Gambhir on the world cup win
Unfortunately the same people if were alive would be happy to burn his effigy if India lost to Pak.
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only if they played particularly irresponsibly. in fact I don't remember a single case of effigy burning after losing to pakistan. for people who give unmatched adulation, I think they have a right to express their displeasure as well.
lastly, let gambhir do his duty as a cricketer and public figure and let the people do theirs as fans.
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