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Old December 8, 2014, 07:48 AM
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Default The Utmost Importance of Running the 1s, 2s ans 3s

We can discuss the importance of running the singles till the cows come home. But, our snehomoy bolods will not pay heed until an entire thread is dedicated to this subject. Perhaps, it may hit the Bolod's-eye.

Running the 1s and 2s for the scoreboard is what footwork is to a batsman. It is one of the most fundamental part of cricket. It keeps the scoreboard ticking, settles the batters, stops building up pressures on the batsmen, builds partnership, runs the opposition rugged, contributes towards personal and team milestones and wins you the game. It is well documented that our boys don't like to run the 1s and 2s -never mind the 3s. Some of the very knowledgeable posters have already pointed out the over reliance on the boundary hitting and the slow and lowness of our pitches as the major reasons behind the dislike of our lads...Run Inzy Run.

In our pitches batsmen are well used to just coming forward and hitting through the line even to a pacer capable of bowling above 85 mph. They know most likely the bounce will not exceed the knee height. Batsmanship is developed around this "false" premise and, therefore, seriously compromised the other aspects of batting. We also had/have a culture of playing to the gallery (Abahani-Mohammadan days) until very recent times. Although, increasingly our batters are more professional about their batting nowadays.

We also have major fitness issues with our batsmen which prevents them running the singles all through the day. Tamim is a living example of that. One of the reasons of his recent hamstring injury is his obvious lack of fitness. The way he was labouring to save that boundary and eventually had to put in the dive to no avail was really disturbing. Not to mention the obvious dismay of the bowler -Abul on that occasion. We simply cannot carry an unfit cricketer like that while a six-time-under-the-knife Mashrafee gives his all and throws himself about like a teenager. It really sets a terrible precedent. How many runs have we been deprived off because of lazy running between the wickets and eventually lost matches we should have won?! And, the runouts that cost us dearly. Fitness and stamina is paramount to all sports.

In conclusion, we really can't do anything about our domestic pitches (slow and low) overnight because of the short sightedness, mismanagement and unprofessionalism of BCB. What we can do -before the World Cup- is to get the fitness level of ALL players to a satisfactory level -if it means Tamim needing a personal instructor. Those grounds are BIG in Australia and Tamim and his partners need to run the 1s and 2s regularly and, occasionally, 3s, too. It has to be emphasized to the batters. Upon which depends our very success in the tournament and cricket in general.
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Old December 8, 2014, 08:19 AM
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This thread has potential to turn out to be "strike rate vs dot balls vs boundary ball" of individual innings thread.

I reckon our head-coach has a lot of work to do with our batsmen in terms of taking singles and 2s.
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Old December 8, 2014, 09:53 AM
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They need to watch some Kohli/DeVillier innings.
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Old December 8, 2014, 10:22 AM
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They need to watch some Kohli/DeVillier innings.
No need to go that far. Shakib is a prime example
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Old December 8, 2014, 10:33 AM
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Shakib is a good example but recently Mushfiq is even better. I think Sabbir is the daddy of all. This lad is brilliant. Nasir and Riyad are very good, too.
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Old December 8, 2014, 10:43 AM
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They need to watch some Kohli/DeVillier innings.
Both of them average more than 50 due to their run-a-ball style of play. If our players (specially top order) start taking 1s and 2s then their average will shot up to mid-40s.

The team will benefit by scoring 280 to 300 runs instead of 230 to 250. Our bowlers will be able to defend more and guess what we'll be able to play an attacking leg-spinner in ODIs in our team without hurting the cause.

Take 1s and 2s more for Jubair Hussain. Will they? :P
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Old December 8, 2014, 11:28 AM
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Let's see if the real numbers shed any light



*raw data won't provide the full picture as players top order batsmen will rely more on boundaries during PP and middle order batsmen more on 1s and 2s.
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Old December 8, 2014, 11:34 AM
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So Riyad tops the list from our batsmen. Tamim/Anamul is poor as suspected. Shakib/Mushy is on par with other top batsmen. Nasir seems to be good too.
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Old December 8, 2014, 11:45 AM
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Nice work, Mufi 02.

It would have been interesting to see their career and particularly last three years SR.
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Old December 8, 2014, 11:50 AM
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Let's see if the real numbers shed any light



*raw data won't provide the full picture as players top order batsmen will rely more on boundaries during PP and middle order batsmen more on 1s and 2s.
Is it possible to see "Strike Rate" in this spreadsheet? BD batsmen probably wasted 10% to 20% more balls per 1s-3s scored. So it's possible for BD batsmen to improve in this area. In average 15% increase of strike-rate per 1s-3s scored will translate 30 to 35 more runs per match in every ODI match.

Both DeVilliers and Kohli have a strike rate over 90 whereas none of the BD batsmen EVER crossed 80 in terms of strike rate!
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Old December 8, 2014, 12:54 PM
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I think over the last three years both Mushy and Shakib are striking over 90. Nasir probably wasn't too behind -before the slump.

If you held Mash as some sort of a bat then he was striking above 90s before he became just a blind and stepping-to-the-leg kind of slogger. As great as Mash is he definitely has let himself down with the bat.
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As we can see Shakib's SR is above 100 but his average has gone down slightly. Mushy and Riyad have definitely raised their game and among the top performers as both have markedly improved their SR and average.

Tamim's case is a peculiar one, to say the least.
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filtered 2012-2014 26 25 0 856 112 34.24 1179 72.60 1 8 1 97 8
Not surprised about Tamim SR for last few years. And his got only to blame himself. I've seen him refusing easy singles, and two's/3s in numerious occasion on each of his innings. Simple not good enough from a senior player, who is meant to be a role model for upcoming players.
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Tamim is a lost cause by now on this aspect. He is overweight and years of smoking has ruined his fitness completely, it would take a lot of determination and will-power for for him to turn it all around but I just don't see him to do it.

Anamul on the other hand has no excuse for not taking the 1-3s and improving his SR. Him and deKock are of the same generation I believe and were both extremely promising in their u-19 days, but Kock has gone on to be a much more successful batsman in the int'l stage.
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As much as we like to get on Tamim's weight, it's his head that's more of the problem. Back in the day he played a lot of dot balls but the difference was he made it up with a lot of boundaries as well. Nowadays he's not hitting as many boundaries and is still playing the same amount of dot balls.

His big problem that I see nowadays is his pacing. I think a big thing that affected him is he struggled to convert his 50s in to 100s due to him getting carried away after a few boundaries. So lately he's adopted a new approach and tries to play his innings out as long as possible. The problem is his SR is suffering big in the process and at the same time he's still struggling to convert his 50s in to 100s. So he's actually been less effective than he once was. Hope that he can improve on his SR. Obviously he has to take singles more often. It's not that he can't but he won't. So the mindset needs to change no doubt
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Tamim is a lost cause by now on this aspect. He is overweight and years of smoking has ruined his fitness completely, it would take a lot of determination and will-power for for him to turn it all around but I just don't see him to do it.

Anamul on the other hand has no excuse for not taking the 1-3s and improving his SR. Him and deKock are of the same generation I believe and were both extremely promising in their u-19 days, but Kock has gone on to be a much more successful batsman in the int'l stage.
that's a really good point actually...comparing to de kock.
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Tamim is a lost cause by now on this aspect. He is overweight and years of smoking has ruined his fitness completely, it would take a lot of determination and will-power for for him to turn it all around but I just don't see him to do it.

Anamul on the other hand has no excuse for not taking the 1-3s and improving his SR. Him and deKock are of the same generation I believe and were both extremely promising in their u-19 days, but Kock has gone on to be a much more successful batsman in the int'l stage.
Hard to compare the 2. De Kock gets much better support in SA than Anamul does in BD. On top of that look at the players he bats with. No disrespect to our guys but they are nowhere near the caliber of ABDV and Amla. Batting with these guys daily really does help.

Like I've said many times before, our younger players come in to much tougher times from the U19s compared to the G8 team. It's helping now that we have seniors like Tamim, Mushy, Shakib and Riyad. I know Tamim's not the best influence but the guy still has lots of experience is still one of our best. Still it's not the same as other teams who have senior stars under their wing.
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Great thread by the way BCF. Thanks for opening it. It's a very important and often overlooked part of the game but is equally important in being a good batsman and getting to good totals
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Hard to compare the 2. De Kock gets much better support in SA than Anamul does in BD. On top of that look at the players he bats with. No disrespect to our guys but they are nowhere near the caliber of ABDV and Amla. Batting with these guys daily really does help.

Like I've said many times before, our younger players come in to much tougher times from the U19s compared to the G8 team. It's helping now that we have seniors like Tamim, Mushy, Shakib and Riyad. I know Tamim's not the best influence but the guy still has lots of experience is still one of our best. Still it's not the same as other teams who have senior stars under their wing.
that is true, however, it's a good representation of how well talent is utilised and grown i think..de kock and anamul...same starting point but a gulf of difference in their achievements..why is that so? probably goes back to bangladesh cricket as a whole.
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As much as we like to get on Tamim's weight, it's his head that's more of the problem. Back in the day he played a lot of dot balls but the difference was he made it up with a lot of boundaries as well. Nowadays he's not hitting as many boundaries and is still playing the same amount of dot balls.
Its a combination of both: lack of fitness (Tamim, actually, not a bad athlete) and the mindset.

To be honest, I don't mind Tamim striking it around 75 in the ODIs as long as he is getting to the 70s and 80s regularly. We have hitters down the line in Shakib, Mushy and Sabbir but a solid start by the openers is more important than SR. But, a good SR is always good. Tamim spends time out in the middle and the SR will go up. He needs to find the "happy medium"...rotating strikes regularly, getting set and finding boundaries ocassionally.

I think if Tamim gets his fitness and attitude sorted we will see the Tamim of old back soon, In Sha Allah. That Test 100 must have given him a lot of confidence back. Now, the lad needs to work his weight off. Because, he simply shouldn't be allowed to REFUSE those easy ones and twos at the World Cup. AND..he might has to do a fair share of RBW with the likes of Nasir and Sabbir. Spare a thought!
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Tamim is a lost cause by now on this aspect. He is overweight and years of smoking has ruined his fitness completely, it would take a lot of determination and will-power for for him to turn it all around but I just don't see him to do it.
He smokes ? I think that is unheard of a professional sportsmen.
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