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Old October 24, 2016, 05:23 AM
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Default Pace Bowling Options for Upcoming Test Matches

Here is a comparison of the prospective test match bowlers we have. I didn't include Taskin as he is out of consideration now and played only 10 matches. I have considered players who have played at least 13 FC matches.



Player
Mat
Inns
Ball
Run
Wkt
BBI
BBM
Ave
Econ
SR
4w
5w
10
Mustafizur Rahman
15
26
1962
809
44
5/28
6/33
18.38
2.47
44.5
6
1
0
Subashis Roy
51
87
7498
3845
136
5/18
7/49
28.27
3.07
55.1
7
2
0
Abu Jayed
46
80
6319
3734
128
6/25
9/43
29.17
3.54
49.3
6
5
0
Al Amin Hossain
29
54
4285
2187
80
7/36
12/89
27.33
3.06
53.5
2
4
1
Alauddin Babu
19
33
2584
1495
48
6/56
6/84
31.14
3.47
53.8
3
1
0
Mohammad Shahid
41
69
5246
2781
90
5/45
9/103
30.90
3.18
58.2
3
2
0
Shafiul Islam
39
67
5531
2788
88
6/39
7/84
31.68
3.02
62.8
3
1
0
Kamrul Islam Rabbi
48
81
7294
4277
104
5/65
6/119
41.12
3.51
70.1
3
1
0
Abu Hider
13
18
1279
783
19
4/79
4/97
41.21
3.67
67.3
1
0
0
Rubel Hossain
43
71
5947
3950
62
5/60
6/85
63.70
3.98
95.9
0
2
0




























I know that domestic stats cannot be the conclusive information for selection. But it gives a good idea about a player’s capability in a certain format.


For example we can take the examples of Abu Jayed and Rubel Hossain here. Abu Jayed has played 46 FC matches and taken 128 wickets at an avg of 29.17 and a SR of 49.3. Rubel Hossain has played almost similar number of FC matches of 43 and taken 62 wickets at an avg of 63.70 and a SR of 95.9. This information clearly states that Abu Jayed is a better suited bowler for this format than Rubel.

Our table shows that Mustafiz is the best longer version bowler we have (nothing surprising! ). As he is out for this series we have to move to the next bowlers. Subashis Roy has good domestic stats. Played 51 matches, got 136 wickets at an avg of 28.27 and a SR of 55.1. Abu Jayed and Al Amin Hossain are the next ones followed by Alauddin Babu who has some batting ability as well. He average 30.69 with bat and has two hundreds to his name with two fifties.

This table shows that Kamrul Rabbi is one of the worst bowler to consider for test cricket. I wish our selectors would consider the stats too. Randomly bringing players will not do any good.
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Old October 24, 2016, 05:32 AM
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I forgot to tell that I intentionally excluded my home town boy Farhad Reza from this list.
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Old October 24, 2016, 05:38 AM
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Quote:
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I forgot to tell that I intentionally excluded my home town boy Farhad Reza from this list.
Well done, not everyone is like you, some of them would like to see home town boy play doesn't batter how bad they are.
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Old October 24, 2016, 05:40 AM
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For second test, sahid should be back.


For NZ series on a fast and bouncy pitches:

1. Sahid
2. Fizz
3. Taskin

Along with Shakib and Miraz.

Back up: Al Amin, Shafiul and Rubel
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Old October 24, 2016, 05:44 AM
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what about subashis and saifuddin? I'm hoping Abu hider will develop into a decent test match pacer, shahid is possibly our best option after taskin and fizz at current, maybe al Amin but I don't see either as being long term prospects, but we may need them until another decent pacer comes along (hopefully that's Abu hider or saifuddin in the next couple of years).
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Old October 24, 2016, 05:56 AM
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For second test, sahid should be back.


For NZ series on a fast and bouncy pitches:

1. Sahid
2. Fizz
3. Taskin

Along with Shakib and Miraz.

Back up: Al Amin, Shafiul and Rubel
Abu Jayed looks to have good stats. Also Shubashis looks to be decent from stats. Ever seen them playing? Why don't we consider them?
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Old October 24, 2016, 06:14 AM
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what about subashis and saifuddin? I'm hoping Abu hider will develop into a decent test match pacer, shahid is possibly our best option after taskin and fizz at current, maybe al Amin but I don't see either as being long term prospects, but we may need them until another decent pacer comes along (hopefully that's Abu hider or saifuddin in the next couple of years).
Thanks. Added Shubashis in the list.
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Old October 24, 2016, 06:19 AM
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Could also add dolar mahmud, Kazi kamrul Islam, Delawar hossain, sajidul Islam, mahbubul alam robin, mukhtar ali.

There are a few with decent stats, would have to see them play to know if they're any good...obviously we've seen a bit of sajidul, robin and dolar, but not a lot and are they any different now?
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Old October 24, 2016, 06:20 AM
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Alauddin Babu sounds good. Can bowl, can bat. That's what we needed in this test - potential utility player to stop batting collapses...
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What happened to robiul? Did mushy really kill him?

Comparing rubel and shubashis is not right..out of 43 fc matches for rubel 23 are tests and he got hammard in all of them..
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Old October 24, 2016, 07:02 AM
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I was looking at the eco as whatever SR and Avg they have in FC it doesnt matter in test..can u believe it even with 9 test among the FC matches shafiul has the lowest eco

He is the most economical fasty in our FC..tells a lot about our FC
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Old October 24, 2016, 07:03 AM
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What happened to robiul? Did mushy really kill him?

Comparing rubel and shubashis is not right..out of 43 fc matches for rubel 23 are tests and he got hammard in all of them..
If he got hammered in all the tests then he should not be considered for test at all.
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Old October 24, 2016, 07:06 AM
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If he got hammered in all the tests then he should not be considered for test at all.
True fans who follow BD's every match,in their sane mind won't ask for rubel in test matches
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Old October 24, 2016, 07:11 AM
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True fans who follow BD's every match,in their sane mind won't ask for rubel in test matches
Some people want him for Dhaka test as "OLD BALL SPECIALIST".
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Old October 24, 2016, 07:48 AM
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I wont look into NCL stats tbh. I was a big fan of NCL but last few season the quality has been poor. I mean come on, Elias Sunny and S. Shuvo opens the batting and scores runs for fun.

From what I've seen in Shuvasish and Abu Jayed in BPL is that they lack consistency to bowl in good areas; 2/3 bad delivery every over with no pace. You may get away with that in BPL/NCL but not in INT cricket...


So we have to continue with the core pacers (who has been around nats team); Rubel, Shafiul, AL Amin, Rony, and Rabbi now when Taskin and Fizz are injured. And keep an eye on U19 team and fast track seamers if any of then catches coaches eyes.
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I hope we can see good pitches in this BPL and all the talents will be exposed and not the jodu modu players.
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Here is a comparison of the prospective test match bowlers we have. I didn't include Taskin as he is out of consideration now and played only 10 matches. I have considered players who have played at least 13 FC matches.



Player
Mat
Inns
Ball
Run
Wkt
BBI
BBM
Ave
Econ
SR
4w
5w
10
Mustafizur Rahman
15
26
1962
809
44
5/28
6/33
18.38
2.47
44.5
6
1
0
Subashis Roy
51
87
7498
3845
136
5/18
7/49
28.27
3.07
55.1
7
2
0
Abu Jayed
46
80
6319
3734
128
6/25
9/43
29.17
3.54
49.3
6
5
0
Al Amin Hossain
29
54
4285
2187
80
7/36
12/89
27.33
3.06
53.5
2
4
1
Alauddin Babu
19
33
2584
1495
48
6/56
6/84
31.14
3.47
53.8
3
1
0
Mohammad Shahid
41
69
5246
2781
90
5/45
9/103
30.90
3.18
58.2
3
2
0
Shafiul Islam
39
67
5531
2788
88
6/39
7/84
31.68
3.02
62.8
3
1
0
Kamrul Islam Rabbi
48
81
7294
4277
104
5/65
6/119
41.12
3.51
70.1
3
1
0
Abu Hider
13
18
1279
783
19
4/79
4/97
41.21
3.67
67.3
1
0
0
Rubel Hossain
43
71
5947
3950
62
5/60
6/85
63.70
3.98
95.9
0
2
0




























I know that domestic stats cannot be the conclusive information for selection. But it gives a good idea about a player’s capability in a certain format.


For example we can take the examples of Abu Jayed and Rubel Hossain here. Abu Jayed has played 46 FC matches and taken 128 wickets at an avg of 29.17 and a SR of 49.3. Rubel Hossain has played almost similar number of FC matches of 43 and taken 62 wickets at an avg of 63.70 and a SR of 95.9. This information clearly states that Abu Jayed is a better suited bowler for this format than Rubel.

Our table shows that Mustafiz is the best longer version bowler we have (nothing surprising! ). As he is out for this series we have to move to the next bowlers. Subashis Roy has good domestic stats. Played 51 matches, got 136 wickets at an avg of 28.27 and a SR of 55.1. Abu Jayed and Al Amin Hossain are the next ones followed by Alauddin Babu who has some batting ability as well. He average 30.69 with bat and has two hundreds to his name with two fifties.

This table shows that Kamrul Rabbi is one of the worst bowler to consider for test cricket. I wish our selectors would consider the stats too. Randomly bringing players will not do any good.
Good analysis যুদ্ধ নেকড়ে ভাই. Make sense.
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Old October 24, 2016, 10:04 AM
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I wont look into NCL stats tbh. I was a big fan of NCL but last few season the quality has been poor. I mean come on, Elias Sunny and S. Shuvo opens the batting and scores runs for fun.

From what I've seen in Shuvasish and Abu Jayed in BPL is that they lack consistency to bowl in good areas; 2/3 bad delivery every over with no pace. You may get away with that in BPL/NCL but not in INT cricket...


So we have to continue with the core pacers (who has been around nats team); Rubel, Shafiul, AL Amin, Rony, and Rabbi now when Taskin and Fizz are injured. And keep an eye on U19 team and fast track seamers if any of then catches coaches eyes.
I am actually focusing on the wicket taking ability in longer version. Taking wickets is an Habit.

I have a question in my mind," Is NCL stats completely meaningless? When I see the stats of Farhad Reza, I tend to think it's useless. But stats of Mustafiz tells me that the opposite is also true for some players.
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For second test, sahid should be back.


For NZ series on a fast and bouncy pitches:

1. Sahid
2. Fizz
3. Taskin

Along with Shakib and Miraz.

Back up: Al Amin, Shafiul and Rubel

That will be my 3 aswell. Hell to the no @Shafiul and Rubel though.
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We've seen 7/10 u list.. and only 4 are decent including Taskin. Babu could have been tried for 2nd Test. We will se Shuvasish.

Core for NZ:

Mustafiz
Taskin
Shahid
Al Amin

Need someone who can bat a bit imo, one pacer who can be useful is Saifuddin. He isnt slow and seems decent unlike Muktar, Reza and Abul..Impressed at the under 19 world cup.
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So, after all that analysis......

We are left with

Subhasish Roy
kamrul Islam rabbi

Are we doomed already???

Or can subhasish Roy show us that he too can bowl on a planned line and length like shahid.
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Subhasish Roy bowling action
https://youtu.be/41OPc3-P_fg
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Might as well check out Roy, Babu and Jayed and see if they are any better than the rest. Mushfiq is going to knock Taskin or Fizz out of commission sooner or later, so we should have some decent back-ups while they recuperate
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Subhasish Roy bowling action
https://youtu.be/41OPc3-P_fg
He's going to be useless on dry pitches that will assist reverse.

Id rather keep Rabbi, but could drop Shafiul for Roy though.
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for NZ I will take:

Fizz(If fit)
Taskin
Mohammad Shohid

backup: Al Amin Hossain, Shafiul Islam, Abu Jayed Chowdhury

we should take no more than 5 Pacers to New Zealand, but we need minimum 3 of them to be competitive.
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