The Mushy problem

[Sohel NR]

Originally Posted by Aritro
Whos that then?

Jahurul and a few others.

[Imtiazk]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
if we pick a sp WK without regard to batting ability - which we must, we need to pick a keeper who can at least slog 30 runs off 20 balls or whatever. we can't play just 6 batsmen against 7 and expect a good result.

right now we are playing 8-9 batsmen vs 7 and still getting creamed by 100-200 runs. going with two fewer batsmen will only widen the gap.

I want our Wally Grout. If he can bat , even better.

Here's a story. When England toured the West Indies in 1967/68 Jim Parks and Alan Knott were the keepers. As usual England, conservative to the bone, picked Parks for his supposedly better batting. After failures in three tests, Knotty played in the fourth, scored 73 not out and saved England. That was more runs than Parks managed in three tests.
Knott kept for England until Bob Taylor, who was also a great keeper.

Knott was probably the greatest of all time.

[Tiger Manc]

Why don't we get Pilot to train Mushy?

[auntu]

As I was watching the match with my father (a former wicket keeper), he was saying his stance is not perfect and problem lies in his reaction after the ball hits the deck.

Concentration problem and he is not agile.

[Ishtylish cricketer]

Can anyone provide the names of wicketkeepers in NCL who are better glovesman than Mushy?

[Ishtylish cricketer]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
Shahin Hossain for tests and Dhiman Ghosh for the shorter versions. Please don't mention batsmen who haven't kept wicket in years just because Crackinfo still lists them as WKs.

GoBoy as specialist batsman at number 4, tests and ODIs.

I haven't seen much of Shahin but many rate him highly as a wicketkeeper. Can he bat well? Does his batting remind you of any former Bd wk or international player? Whose batting would you say his ressembles? I don't think BCB will call up Dhiman Ghosh anytime soon because he hasn't made enough runs in NCL to warrant a call. From what I remember of his batting he wasn't the glorious hitter of the ball that people were claiming. He failed show what he can supposedly do with the bat against weaken Pakistan team at the time in batting friendly pitches of UAE (when Younis Khan was serving up long hops for fun) and Lahore. Maybe he is an improved batsman now than he was before but how much better. Is he the best option? I am really not for selecting a specialist wicketkeeper in ODIs. If BCB selectors have to pick him due to scarecity of decent wicketkeepers in the nation, I would much rather see him selected for tests than ODIs.

I agree with Mushy batting 4 in tests and 50/50 and maybe opening in T20s alongside Tamim.

[Sohel NR]

@IC: Shahin is a cautious batsman like Pilot.

[Bruno]

Is dhiman did not leave for ICL, Mushfiq was all but history after that Australia series.

[Aritro]

Originally Posted by Ishtylish cricketer
Whose batting would you say his ressembles? I don't think BCB will call up Dhiman Ghosh anytime soon because he hasn't made enough runs in NCL to warrant a call. From what I remember of his batting he wasn't the glorious hitter of the ball that people were claiming. He failed show what he can supposedly do with the bat against weaken Pakistan team at the time in batting friendly pitches of UAE (when Younis Khan was serving up long hops for fun) and Lahore.

I remember being pretty unimpressed by his batting during the period you mention, but he looked a lot better when we played Australia in 2008. Don't know how many runs he made, but he struck the ball quite cleanly.

I also have to disagree with you about selecting specialist keepers. Yes, we are now in an era in which most sides pick keepers based on batting ability but IMO that's only a good ploy if you're selecting a player whose wicket-keeping is at least up to a certain minimum standard for international cricket. And IMO Mushfiq's keeping is nowhere near that standard.

A high-quality test keeper would only need to come in at number 8 and average 15 with the bat to justify his place in our side IMO. If you take into account the number of byes Mushfiq lets through, and the runs that batsmen go on to make after he drops or fails to stump them, then a good keeper who doesn't make those mistakes would actually be worth anywhere between 15-100 runs to us because of his keeping alone. Which of course would more than make up for the shortfall in the runs that he scores with the bat.

And if this hypothetical keeper did indeed average only 15 in the bat, then he'd actually only be averaging five less than the Aftab/Imrul type 'batsmen' we'd be dropping to make way for him.

EDIT: Sorry, I've just realise d that you were talking specifically about ODIs. Ignore the above. :P

[AK420]

His problems:
1) He has been appointed the pressureful(no real word) rank of Vice Captain
2) He is one of the worst WK ever
3) He is too short and one reason why he gets other batsmen runout, knowing that the someone will get out.

Anyway he is a good test batsmen, not to mention ODIs

[zainab]

Well guys, some food for thought in your barrage of criticisms against Mushy, he is one of my favourite little guys, so cute and innocent looking, who cant help but love him.

Rahim just behind Dhoni
Now the 2nd ranked keeper-batsman
Icc Media Release.

Despite defeat in the first Test in Chittagong, there is some positive and encouraging news for Bangladesh. Captain Shakib Al Hasan climbed to fifteenth position by improving his ranking by three places following his match figures of 5-195 and Mushfiqur Rahim became the second highest-ranked wicketkeeper-batsman after India's Mahendra Singh Dhoni in the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for Test batsmen.
Mushfiqur, who scored 79 and 95 in a lost cause, has rocketed 12 places to jump to a career-best 34th position, seven places and 78 ratings points behind the India captain.

The 21-year-old from Bogra is, however, ahead of more experienced and established wicketkeeper-batsmen in the likes of New Zealander Brendon McCullum and Australia's Brad Haddin, who share 35th spot, Pakistan's Kamran Akmal (38th), South Africa's Mark Boucher (39th), England's Matt Prior (43rd), Sri Lanka's Prasanna Jayawardena (57th) and the West Indies' Denesh Ramdin (69th).
End of quote.

All Mushy needs now is for BCB to employ a good wicket keeping coach for him and he will be spot on. I have noticed that he plays a bit more aggressively now and is not scared of bowlers anymore. He has emerged as a star and reliable batsman for BD.

[simon]

Originally Posted by zainab
Well guys, some food for thought in your barrage of criticisms against Mushy, he is one of my favourite little guys, so cute and innocent looking, who cant help but love him.

Rahim just behind Dhoni
Now the 2nd ranked keeper-batsman
Icc Media Release.

Despite defeat in the first Test in Chittagong, there is some positive and encouraging news for Bangladesh. Captain Shakib Al Hasan climbed to fifteenth position by improving his ranking by three places following his match figures of 5-195 and Mushfiqur Rahim became the second highest-ranked wicketkeeper-batsman after India's Mahendra Singh Dhoni in the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for Test batsmen.
Mushfiqur, who scored 79 and 95 in a lost cause, has rocketed 12 places to jump to a career-best 34th position, seven places and 78 ratings points behind the India captain.

The 21-year-old from Bogra is, however, ahead of more experienced and established wicketkeeper-batsmen in the likes of New Zealander Brendon McCullum and Australia's Brad Haddin, who share 35th spot, Pakistan's Kamran Akmal (38th), South Africa's Mark Boucher (39th), England's Matt Prior (43rd), Sri Lanka's Prasanna Jayawardena (57th) and the West Indies' Denesh Ramdin (69th).
End of quote.

All Mushy needs now is for BCB to employ a good wicket keeping coach for him and he will be spot on. I have noticed that he plays a bit more aggressively now and is not scared of bowlers anymore. He has emerged as a star and reliable batsman for BD.

Grt news,thanks.
And u r right,no need to give the gloves to some1 else,Mushy needs to prctce harder
with a WK coach.
If we appoint another WK & make Mushy a spclst btsmn who knows what happens to his mindset.

[Eshen]

Originally Posted by zainab
Well guys, some food for thought in your barrage of criticisms against Mushy, he is one of my favourite little guys, so cute and innocent looking, who cant help but love him.

I don't think anyone here hates him, though everyone may not be crazy about him for his cuteness. However, that should not mean the team's interest should be sacrificed for his sake.

Rahim just behind Dhoni
Now the 2nd ranked keeper-batsman
Icc Media Release.

Despite defeat in the first Test in Chittagong, there is some positive and encouraging news for Bangladesh. Captain Shakib Al Hasan climbed to fifteenth position by improving his ranking by three places following his match figures of 5-195 and Mushfiqur Rahim became the second highest-ranked wicketkeeper-batsman after India's Mahendra Singh Dhoni in the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for Test batsmen.
Mushfiqur, who scored 79 and 95 in a lost cause, has rocketed 12 places to jump to a career-best 34th position, seven places and 78 ratings points behind the India captain.

The 21-year-old from Bogra is, however, ahead of more experienced and established wicketkeeper-batsmen in the likes of New Zealander Brendon McCullum and Australia's Brad Haddin, who share 35th spot, Pakistan's Kamran Akmal (38th), South Africa's Mark Boucher (39th), England's Matt Prior (43rd), Sri Lanka's Prasanna Jayawardena (57th) and the West Indies' Denesh Ramdin (69th).

Here they are talking about batting ranking for keepers, not about their keeping skills. We all know that Mushfiq has improved a lot as a batsman lately, don't need ICC to tell us that.

[Eshen]

Well, looks like the management will go from one dumb decision to another - they are thinking about debuting Jahurul Islam (who keeps wicket only occasionally in domestic matches) as a keeper!

- daily star

I guess Jahurul, being a part time keeper, will make fair amount of mistakes in this match, and then Siddons will use that performance to justify his claim that Mushfiq is the best keeper in the country.

[AsifTheManRahman]

That would be a terrible mistake. It might mean that they'll let Mushfiq bat up the order, but this sounds more like a temp solution to me. If they go with it, I won't be surprised as trying to make out of players what they are not has become this management's culture.

[Fazal]

I think after Rahim was punched in the face by the waiter one+ years ago, his Wicket keeping went downward. He treat each ball as if another blow is comming on his way.

We need to find that waiter and force him to apologize and as a makeup kiss Rakim's cheek... we need a closure of that incident.

[Eshen]

From what I read in Prothom-Alo, it seems the management is not looking for a replacement for Mushfiq, but just wants to relieve some pressure off Mushfiq at this point by using Jahurul as a keeper.

Again, an individual comes before the team!

[AsifTheManRahman]

Wonder if they are going to be sharing WK duties in the next match.

[meazz1]

Originally Posted by fazal
i think after rahim was punched in the face by the waiter one+ years ago, his wicket keeping went downward. He treat each ball as if another blow is comming on his way.

We need to find that waiter and force him to apologize and as a makeup kiss rakim's cheek... We need a closure of that incident.

lol

[M.H.Rubel]

In last DPL Jahuru Islam was the keeper of Biman it looks he had a mediocre performance 13 dismissal in 16 matches.

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[nahaz]

Originally Posted by Eshen
Well, looks like the management will go from one dumb decision to another - they are thinking about debuting Jahurul Islam (who keeps wicket only occasionally in domestic matches) as a keeper!

- daily star

I guess Jahurul, being a part time keeper, will make fair amount of mistakes in this match, and then Siddons will use that performance to justify his claim that Mushfiq is the best keeper in the country.

That is a donwright stupid move! For two reasons:

1) Jahurul is mainly a batsman. He doesn't even keep in NCL. So why make him a test keeper? Does look like they want to justify Mushfique's keeping.

2) Jahurul is a fantastic opening prospect. By making him keep, he will be too tired to play his role as an opener, and will flop. On top of that he'll be debuting. He will lose a lot of confidence by the end of the match, not being helped by being thrown the keeper's duty.Dropping catches never helps anyone's confidence.

Good luck J Omi, if you debut.

[Eshen]

Originally Posted by nahaz
That is a donwright stupid move! For two reasons:

1) Jahurul is mainly a batsman. He doesn't even keep in NCL. So why make him a test keeper? Does look like they want to justify Mushfique's keeping.

2) Jahurul is a fantastic opening prospect. By making him keep, he will be too tired to play his role as an opener, and will flop. On top of that he'll be debuting. He will lose a lot of confidence by the end of the match, not being helped by being thrown the keeper's duty.Dropping catches never helps anyone's confidence.

Yep.

Siddons needed to use the time before the 2nd Test to prepare Omi against short pitched deliveries. Instead he is wasting half of the time trying to make a keeper out of him, thus setting up the guy for failure in both departments.

[Beamer]

Nothing indicates that Jahurul will keep in this match. He is replacing Aftab, a straight swap with a batsman.

[magic boy]

So a big surprise awaiting for us in last match. who's gonna do wicket keeping !! also where will Jahirul bat at!

[Beamer]

Originally Posted by nahaz
That is a donwright stupid move! For two reasons:

1) Jahurul is mainly a batsman. He doesn't even keep in NCL. So why make him a test keeper? Does look like they want to justify Mushfique's keeping.

2) Jahurul is a fantastic opening prospect. By making him keep, he will be too tired to play his role as an opener, and will flop. On top of that he'll be debuting. He will lose a lot of confidence by the end of the match, not being helped by being thrown the keeper's duty.Dropping catches never helps anyone's confidence.

Good luck J Omi, if you debut.

I would agree with you if your answer was based on factual circumstances. See, you are responding to a fabricated assumption, which is not a fact at this point. If he keeps tomorrow, then I would agree with you, as it would be a bad mistake on part of management. Until then, its a mindless dribble, not you or your response, but the feeble insinuation that the management wants Jahurul to fail with gloves so they can claim Mushy's superiority with it. Total garbage.

[offstump]

jahurul will bat at four but i think no 2 position will open for him very soon.

and has junaid ever shared keeping with mushy....no
so will jahurul share keeping with mushy....no

[auntu]

Originally Posted by Beamer
Nothing indicates that Jahurul will keep in this match. He is replacing Aftab, a straight swap with a batsman.

He had a training period with Nasu and JS on keeping.
As per Prothom Alo.:

কাল অনুশীলনের আবহে আরেকটা পরিবর্তনের গুঞ্জনও বেশ ঘুরে বেড়াল। গুঞ্জনটা সত্যি হলে আফতাব আহমেদের জায়গায় এই টেস্টেই অভিষেক হয়ে যেতে পারে জহুরুল ইসলামের। ইনডোরের নেট প্র্যাকটিসে তাঁকে নিয়ে দীর্ঘ সময় কাটিয়েছেন কোচ। শুরুতে জহুরুল উইকেটকিপিং প্র্যাকটিসও করলেন লম্বা সময় নিয়ে।
জহুরুলের কিপিং প্র্যাকটিস দ্বিধাদ্বন্দ্বে ফেলে দেওয়ার মতোই ব্যাপার। মূলত ব্যাটসম্যান হলেও ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে টুকটাক উইকেটকিপিং করেন। উইকেটের পেছনে মুশফিকুর রহিমের ব্যর্থতায় দুইয়ে দুইয়ে চার মেলালে প্রশ্নটা আসেই—তবে কি মুশফিকের ওপর চাপ কমাতে চাইছে টিম ম্যানেজমেন্ট? থিংক ট্যাংকের সঙ্গে কথা বলে অবশ্য সরাসরি ‘হ্যাঁ’ বা ‘না’ কোনোটাই শোনা যায়নি। তবে নাম প্রকাশে অনিচ্ছুক দায়িত্বশীল একজন সম্ভাবনা উড়িয়ে দিচ্ছেন না, ‘কাঁধের ইনজুরির কারণে গত প্রিমিয়ার লিগে মুশফিকুর কিপিং করেছে খুবই কম। এই সিরিজে তার মিসগুলো হয়তো সেটারই জের। ওর যদি কিপিং থেকে বিশ্রাম প্রয়োজন হয়, অমিকে (জহুরুল) দিয়ে চেষ্টা করানো যেতেও পারে। তবে তার আগে অমিকে একাদশে আসতে হবে।’

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[Imtiazk]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
@IC: Shahin is a cautious batsman like Pilot.

Nothing wrong with that. Mashud held up many innings for Bangladesh to stagger to 170 after the usual 50/5.

I saw Dhiman in Australia, excellent keeping and batting was certainly adequate.

One more point regarding batting line-up.

The usual reason given for wicket-keepers who are batsmen in their own right [ e.g. Gilchrist ] to come in at No.7 has been that they need "rest". However, that presupposes that the first six are less "tired".

Question: Who is more "tired" ? Mushfiq or Shakib ? Shakib, after all bowls at least 30 overs. He is making the slog-sweep his primary shot and is quickly migrating from being a batsman all-rounder to a bowler all-rounder. Some of his pre-meditated shots have been dreadful !

Dhiman at No.8, I say. I have not seen Shahin. I will accept Sohel's better judgement on this for the time being.