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Old November 2, 2008, 02:05 PM
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ICL exodus worries Bangladesh coach

Jamie Siddons, the Bangladesh coach, has said the unauthorised Indian Cricket League could cripple the game in the country if more players follow the exodus. He said the large sums of money being offered by the ICL was a worrying trend as it drew players away from the national set-up before their peak.

Fourteen Bangladesh cricketers, with a mixture of current, former and uncapped players, signed up for the ICL this season and were banned by the Bangladesh Cricket Board for ten years. The ICL is yet to get official recognition from the ICC and cricket boards across the world.

"If we were to lose another six players out of our current team it probably would cripple us," Siddons said on the eve of the team's departure for South Africa. "I don't see how we can be competitive if that happens again.
"I don't know how we can stop them either, that's the hard part. There's no way to put an end to it when the ICL keeps throwing that sort of money at the players. Cricket is definitely going to suffer. They are taking young players who are not even at their peak yet and offering them lots of money. The players see the dollar signs and go."

Siddons said countries like Bangladesh had everything to lose in such a scenario, if the talent pool continued to dwindle. Bangladesh have been a Test nation for eight years but have managed just one victory and their one-day successes against major nations have been rare.

"The countries are the ones that develop the cricketers the ICL takes, so if there's no money coming back from those tournaments and into the infrastructure then eventually it's all going to dry up."

In the wake of the ICL exodus, Bangladesh have done well to stay competitive and Siddons was pleased with the recent home games during which they upset New Zealand comprehensively in the first ODI but failed to close the series. They had their chances in the first Test as well but lost by three wickets in a closely fought contest.

"We've just beaten New Zealand for the first time, so lots of little things are showing signs that some good times are just round the corner," he said. "But the team is young and inconsistency is still there."

The top order was not at its best against New Zealand and Siddons wanted the players to lift for the South Africa tour, which features two Tests, a Twenty20 and three ODIs. "They are vulnerable at the moment but if they find their feet we'll be competitive without a doubt," Siddons said. "Our middle-order batsmen and bowling will be okay, I think, over there."


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Old November 2, 2008, 02:16 PM
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well we can't do anything if more player decide to go but we only can hope they will not go to icl.
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Old November 2, 2008, 02:20 PM
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if they love their country they wont go
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Old November 2, 2008, 02:23 PM
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I am worried more than Siddons.. probably we will not have enough to fight against test teams..
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Old November 2, 2008, 02:28 PM
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I totally agree with Siddons. BCB needs to wake up, stop licking BCCI's boots, and un-ban those ICL players.
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Old November 2, 2008, 02:41 PM
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BCB cannot unban ICL we all know that. That would have been the best option for BD I agree but its not going to happen as BCCI has the power we agree or not. Now players of BD has to understand that ICL is not paying this players cause they r good they paing them to criple BD and hence put more pressure on BCCI by other test nation so that ICC can take BD test status and hence reduce BCCI's power. Trust me if this happens the next day ICL will stop paying BD players and the net loser will be all of US.
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I say eventually ICL players will return to playing domestic and international cricket in Bangladesh.

ICL players already have been playing in county cricket and Sri lankan domestic cricket like mohammed sami.

Seriously its BCCI vs the world, and india board will lose, only if the other countries unite. Id rather have the big headed english and aussies having more power than the greedy and selfish indian cricket board
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Seriously its BCCI vs the world, and india board will lose, only if the other countries unite. Id rather have the big headed english and aussies having more power than the greedy and selfish indian cricket board
as much as i hate to so say this... but really u want the aus and eng board to ctrl of icc? then i guess u r ready to say good bye to bd cricket
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Old November 2, 2008, 03:18 PM
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If BCB bosses can get their heads out of their butts, they will realize that siding with BCCI will make us lose more than any gain (if any). India has not hosted our team in last eight years, and there is no indication that they will do it in near future. India does send their team to BD every 3/4 years, but they are obliged to do so by FTP.

As I said in another thread, if Bangladesh cricket suffer because of player exodus, we have none to blame but our idiotic government.
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If BCB bosses can get their heads out of their butts, they will realize that siding with BCCI will make us lose more than any gain (if any). India has not hosted our team in last eight years, and there is no indication that they will do it in near future. India does send their team to BD every 3/4 years, but they are obliged to do so by FTP.

As I said in another thread, if Bangladesh cricket suffer because of player exodus, we have none to blame but our idiotic government.
I agree that could have been the ideal solution but the question is can bcb/govt do anything about it? I wish ICC would just make ICL legal... BCCI will never do what they r suppose to do and again the net loser would be us...
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I agree that could have been the ideal solution but the question is can bcb/govt do anything about it? I wish ICC would just make ICL legal...
ICC did not make ICL illegal, it's up to every individual board how they want treat ICL. I guess you have not noticed that SLC has not banned ICL players, and BCCI can't do jack about it other than threatening not to host SL team in near future (once again, in our case, they won't host our team anyway).
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ICC did not make ICL illegal, it's up to every individual board how they want treat ICL. I guess you have not noticed that SLC has not banned ICL players, and BCCI can't do jack about it other than threatening not to host SL team in near future (once again, in our case, they won't host our team anyway).
I know about SL but the problem is SL team is very good and they don't have to worry about being kicked out from TEST like we do. so SL might not need BCCI but we do... So BCCI can do a lot more harm to us then can to SL...
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I know about SL but the problem is SL team is very good and they don't have to worry about being kicked out from TEST like we do. so SL might not need BCCI but we do... So BCCI can do a lot more harm to us then can to SL...
Bro, if BCB is planning to keep the test status only with the backing of BCCI, we will lose it sooner of later.

More and more cricketers from Bangladesh will join ICL despite BCB's dislike (why should not they? all of us want a better financial future for ourselves, cricketers should not be any exception), and Bangladesh cricket will suffer more and more if our government does not change it's moronic stance on ICL.

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Bro, if BCB is planning to keep the test status only with the backing of BCCI, we will lose it sooner of later.

More and more cricketers from Bangladesh will join ICL despite BCB's dislike, and Bangladesh cricket will suffer more and more if our government does not change it's moronic stance on ICL.

Yes if more players from the current team goes to icl i think bcb will change their stands but right now they don't have to and we don't have to show any support to ICL...
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Putting a band-aid to the deep-rooted problem wont work. Banning players for 10 years and banning the transmission wouldnt do anything but only make it even more popular. Players left BD cricket because of their uncertainity over national team created by the moron selectors, abnormaly peculiar board members, a Gadha national manager and an inexperienced shrewd captain/coach. There was money and fame on one side,, the other was ignomy, left out of national team, called 'old and useless", ignored by national media...

Siddons afraid of ICL,,Why dont BCB negotiate with ICL? I mean,, who said that ICL was the "untouchable" other than Indian board? ICL never said that it has boned the players for 3 years and wouldnt talk to anyone. And relying on Indian board? Look what they did to Srilanka.. pulled the plug the moment Ranatunga showed dissent. We dont need India,, because Pakistan, SA, NZ, Zimb, WI, Srilanka are all supporters of BD cricket. It as only England and Australia who opposed BD's test stats and still cant get over their defeat in that voting. Bangladesh doesnt need India's approval on everything when we dont rely on their support to run our board.

Yes, India is a strong nation and has all the power in world cricket,, but that doesnt mean that we have to sell our souls to them and BCB becomes the slave of Indian Cricket. BCB should have the "honest courage" ( instead of using foul language) to confront BCCI and negotiate with ICL about the players. Besides, ICL has, in its contracts, that players are free to leave on naional duties.. Then what is the problem?
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Yes if more players from the current team goes to icl i think bcb will change their stands but right now they don't have to and we don't have to show any support to ICL...
Yes, I am sure BCB bosses will like to sit on their a$$es until the standard of domestic leagues (which is already low) goes down to gutters (I sincerely hope the national team won't be effected too badly). Even then they probably won't do anything other than keep licking BCCI's boots.

BTW, are you somehow connected to those morons?
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Yes, I am sure BCB bosses will like to sit on their a$$es until the standard of domestic leagues (which is already low) goes down to gutters (I sincerely hope the national team won't be effected too badly). Even then they probably won't do anything other than keep licking BCCI's boots.

BTW, are you somehow connected to those morons?
What you guys r saying i get it. this is what is what should happen but unfortunately in BD nothing works that way. I am stating how i see it and u guys r saying which is good to hear but will probably not happen in BD

BTW are you somehow connected to those ICL players?

Supporting some idea or view doesn't make one their relatives. please refrain something like that. I am not new in BC, and people who knows me knows how critical I am of BCB. But while criticizing them we need to realize were we are from and what can be expected by our officels... Yes subway for dhaka would have been great and would solve out traffic problem in dhaka but what we see is more cars r seating in ports to be driven in the capital... Its always great to hear the big slogans and spichess but that doesn't solve anything...
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To answer your question Kabir bhai, yes, I feel connected to those ICL players. Like them, I also want a better and secure future for myself, and I am very reluctant to keep paying for the incompetency of others.

Yes, general people like you and I can't do much about current miserable state of Bangladesh, but that does not mean we have to accept failures of our leaders, or, worse, try to justify their decisions somehow and shift the blame on someone else.
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this talk over players not being certain of national selection is a really dumb excuse imo, how many players play in the national team in a match? 11 start and there is a 12th man. now if BD was like the other test nations and actually kept it's team together without making changes basically every match then for the most part probably only 13 maybe 14 players would be certain of squad selection, and even then they're not certain of starting selection.

the uncertainty comes with the profession, it happens to every pro cricketer, no one is ever assured of a place in their national team, they have to work for it and earn it not expect it to be handed to them (which, going by the performances some of these ICL players have put up for the national team or even domestically, they're expecting to be handed selection regardless of good or bad performance).

i understand wanting to be financially secure, that's fine, but i think the uncertainty about national selection being an excuse is an absolute joke.
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I doubt the spineless ICC will have the balls to strip us of our test status. I say we let our players participate in the ICL without imposing these ridiculous bans on them. In the worst case scenario, we won't be playing India in India, which we have comfortably lived with so far.
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I doubt the spineless ICC will have the balls to strip us of our test status. I say we let our players participate in the ICL without imposing these ridiculous bans on them. In the worst case scenario, we won't be playing India in India, which we have comfortably lived with so far.
I also think so. We are just over cautious about our test status.

Etto sohoj na je bollo ar test status niye nilo. Sob board 5 years er FTP onujiyai kheltese, BCB 2011 er WC er infrastructure ready kortese, Developing Mirpur as "Home of cricket" with all the necessary infrastructure for future generation cricketers, huge money invested in defferent areas for cricket. Er moddhe BCCI amader upor "rag" korle test status chole jabe....eta khubi wrong ekta perception. ICC ki jukti dekhabe? - "8/9 bochor test kheleu, infrastructure eto develop koreu jehetu kono unnoti hoi nai, tai test status kere nilam. Ekhon weak team er sathe khelo, financially weak hoye jau jate kono development activity board na korte pare, asa kori 5 bochor por new improved and strong Bangladesh dekhbo." - eta bole test status kere nibe?

Amar mone hoi na BCB sudhu matro test status er bhoi e BCCI er chamchami kortese. ICC te ekta grouping ase sub-continent er. As a member of that group, BCB chache na ulta pothe hatte and politics er shikar hoye financial loss ghotate. Problem holo, nijeder crisis er somoi o BCB guts dekhanor moto sahosh korte parlo na.

ICL is pushing ICC to get acclaimed. As far as i know Legal options are favoring ICL as ICC has approved similar tournaments like Stanford 20/20, Hong-Kong sixes - then why not ICL? So, that is why if ICL sue against ICC, then surely ICC gonna be in trouble and thats why ICC is trying to make negotiation with BCCI and ICL.......So i am hoping for the best.
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yeah, unban the ICLers...can't blame them or the ICL for trying to make a buck.

BCCI already treats us like crap. nothing to lose. what are they gonna do? not offer us a tour of India? check. stop touring BD? fine...2 tests every 2 years is not going to bother us.

BD needs to forge stronger ties with WI and NZ and SL boards.
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Both parties have points for and against. But as Steven Covey says "Begin with the end in mind." Bangladesh will benefit from some of the players in ICL team, and whatever experience they can bring along. If that is the case i feel BCB should lift the ban for the betterment of our cricket.
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Let's get a few things straight. The players who left for ICL have absolutely no grounds to complain. Shumon felt he was "no longer wanted"? Our best test player has struggled to get double figures in his last fifteen test innings. Siddons was spot on when he said even Ponting would have had a tough time to get a place in the Australian test squad. Shumon, take a leaf out of Sourav's career and fight for your place instead of crying like a baby. If you want to be treated like a senior member of the squad, act like one, and more importantly perform like one. i could go on about the other members but you get the point.

I have no problems with the players leaving to get more money; in fact, i am sympathetic to it like many members here. But let's call a spade a spade and not hide the real reasons for leaving BD.

I am also open to unbanning the ICLers. But this sets a dangerous precedence. It's obvious that the players left for money. It's also obvious that the same players knew that their reneging would potentially make them unavailable for future BD games, and yet they chose otherwise. This is fine. But spare a thought for players like Tamim and Mash, who turned down millions of taka to stay and play for BD. Would you, as a selector, have any right to tell them that their patriotism and commitment to the national team counts for nothing when the players who had prioritized money over BD team are so easily accepted back again?
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