**** The Mohammed Ashraful Thread ****

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by BD_TigerZ
For the opening slot vs nz..
In order of who should get it.
Bijoy
Shamsu
Jahu
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Kaedge
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.....
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Ash

If Shamsur fails i really cant see anyone other than Bijoy and as much as I don't want to say it..Kayes..

i'd try bijoy first, then if he fails (or bats #3) try shamsur, if shamsur fails i'd go with soumya.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Roey Haque
Because his form, both statistically and stylistically, merited a place. Maybe there was somebody even better than Shamsur. There are other Nasirs and Anamuls out there, but how will they ever get in, if you keep persisting with proven failures like Ash?

Anyway, nice that we are in the same page now. Ash must go.

His form? You mean his BPL form? Picking a player in ODIs due to his form in T20s when everyone is saying each format should be treated differently?

Shamsur hasn't done anything notable up until BPL. Yes he should open in T20s but for ODIs...?

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Gowza
probably mainly due to his BPL exploits this year

Yeah and now people want Shamsur in the ODI team due to his T20 performances. People just said Ash shouldn't be picked for ODIs based on his his form in tests...

I feel selectors took the right approach. They tried the more experienced Ash to see if he can perform. He obviously hasn't so now they can have a reason to move onto Shamsur although i'd try Anamul out before him.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by BengaliPagol
Yeah and now people want Shamsur in the ODI team due to his T20 performances. People just said Ash shouldn't be picked for ODIs based on his his form in tests...

I feel selectors took the right approach. They tried the more experienced Ash to see if he can perform. He obviously hasn't so now they can have a reason to move onto Shamsur although i'd try Anamul out before him.

i think it's also the fact that we are running out of opening options. the only one that has stuck around is tamim, the rest keep coming and going. shamsur showed some good results in various formats so people thought it might be worth a shot. i myself am not against trying shamsur, though i don't have the greatest confidence he will succeed. however that was mainly due to anamul's absence, anamul is the one i think should get a good run for now.

i get what you're saying though. valid point

[Gowza]

it's easy to say things in hindsight, once upon a time ash did great in ODIs, he just did great in tests so maybe he came back into some great form? the 2nd opener spot has been up in the air for awhile and a lot of players have been tried and failed so why not see if ash could work.

now we know at least what ash has to offer as opener/top order batsman. now we have that information and can compare it to the previous players tried and future ones that will be tried. i'm pretty certain anamul is pencilled in for at least one more series with the ODI team, so probably ash won't be in the XI next series unless it's as #3.

[Jadukor]

With Ashraful the temptation to play him will always be there. Simply because when he plays well he plays outstandingly well and those innings make a long lasting impression. If a selector looked at things objectively without any romanticism about whatever "potential" or class Ashraful possess, most would come to a conclusion that he is a proven failure who fails to deliver again and again with the odd sparkle of brilliance.

People defend him saying that other players are no better... that is true... Jahirul might go without a fifty for the next 10 years but the difference is Ash has already played 10 years so the waiting and hoping phase is over.

Now the likes of Ash Mahmudullah Mushfiq Tamim and Shakib, Razzak all have to deliver for us so that the younger guys like Mominul, Nasir, Anamul, Marshall, Taskin, Robiul, Gazi all can slowly settle into the side. If the senior guys continue to play like the inconsistent junior players then we should all prepare ourselves forever be a minnow and get thrashed by Zimbabwe next tour also

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
You too!!!

Why me? I am not the Emperor. Nor he is my Emperor. I have no contirbution making him the Emperor in the first place. So there is nothing for me to be ashamed.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by SS
Once an emperor is always an emperor...don't matter whether he is ulongo..now he is the only option to captain our side

Sure.... sujog to aar baar baar acshe na...Fakee Kukee Akram chachu ke jodi ekta burger khawayeee manage kora jai.... make him the permamnet captain.

taa chara .... negtar aaar logga ki... there is nothing more to lose for the naked Emperor.

[wktkeeper]

Originally Posted by Gowza
it's easy to say things in hindsight, once upon a time ash did great in ODIs, he just did great in tests so maybe he came back into some great form? the 2nd opener spot has been up in the air for awhile and a lot of players have been tried and failed so why not see if ash could work.

now we know at least what ash has to offer as opener/top order batsman. now we have that information and can compare it to the previous players tried and future ones that will be tried. i'm pretty certain anamul is pencilled in for at least one more series with the ODI team, so probably ash won't be in the XI next series unless it's as #3.

for ODI bijoy is the first choice as Opener. ash can bat # 3, if the form permits. if we talk about failure, i think as per mushy the total top order failed. top 5 batsmen in 3 innings no 50, shows its not only ash, others also have some mental block.

[Fazal]

Sure top 5 failed, but while other may have failed in this particular series, Ash in last three year failed consistantly in ODI. So the type of problem (mental block or whaterver) is not the same as other top players.

Even if we consoder this ODI series:

Tamim: 27+6+32 = 65 (Total) = 21.7 (Average)
Ashraful: 29+8+5 = 42 (Total) = 14 (Average)
Mominul: 38+24 = 62 (Total) = 31 (Average)
Rahim: 5+26+32 = 63 (Total) = 21 (Average)
Sakib: 1+36+18 = 55 (Total) = 18.3 (Average)

All top five failed in 1st two ODIs. But when we choose to drop someone to shake up the issue, we choose to drop the most productive one (out of these 5) as well as the most youngest one to make a point.

And we made the point indeed .... and we got the result (in 3rd ODI) that we deserved.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by wktkeeper
for ODI bijoy is the first choice as Opener. ash can bat # 3, if the form permits. if we talk about failure, i think as per mushy the total top order failed. top 5 batsmen in 3 innings no 50, shows its not only ash, others also have some mental block.

but ash has played 51 innings batting at #3 in ODIs, average of about 20. granted he got 2 of his 3 centuries at the #3 spot but still not really a good record. perhaps anamul can bat at #3 or they could try someone like shuvagata with anamul opening. otherwise might have to promote shakib or maybe mushy.

[Moh899]

Ash should be there for t20 only. For some reason, figuring that out is rocket science for our selectors.