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Old July 11, 2014, 09:36 PM
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Default Who's to replace shakib during the ban?

wondering peoples thoughts on what the squad should look like with this 6 month ban that shakib has? not easy to replace him as essentially he's 2 players in one and we don't have another one of him...so some shuffling of places might be required to try and minimise the loss.
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Old July 11, 2014, 09:40 PM
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Shak's ban might be reduced...as coach may concern about our world cup preparations and so...thus, wants to talk to BCB and Shakib and make a compromise...

Shak may join the squad sooner ...



বিসিবির দেওয়া শাস্তির ঘোষণা শোনার পর থেকে মুখে তালা মেরে আছেন সাকিব আল হাসান।তাঁর শাস্তির বিরুদ্ধে ভক্ত-সমর্থকেরা মানববন্ধনসহ বিভিন্নভাবে প্রতিবাদ জানালেও এ নিয়ে তিনি এখনো কোনো কথা বলেননি।
তবে একটি সূত্রের খবর, সাকিব এবং বিসিবি দুই পক্ষই এখন আছে কোচ চন্ডিকা হাথুরুসিংহের ঢাকা ফেরার অপেক্ষায়।সাকিবের শাস্তির কথা শোনার পর কোচ নাকি ই-মেইলে বিসিবিকে জানিয়েছেন, বিষয়টা তিনি নিজে দেখতে চান।ছুটি কাটিয়ে ১৪ জুলাই রাতে ঢাকা ফেরার কথা হাথুরুসিংহের।
সাকিবকে দেওয়া শাস্তিটা বেশি হয়ে গেছে বলেই মত বেশির ভাগ মানুষের।বিস্ময়কর হলেও সত্যি একই উপলব্ধি আছে বিসিবিতেও! তবে অত্যুৎসাহী হয়ে একবার শাস্তি দিয়ে ফেলার পর সেটি আবার নিজেদের উদ্যোগে কমাতে যাওয়াটা নিজেদের জন্যই বিব্রতকর হবে। সে জন্য শাস্তি কমানোর ‘সম্মানজনক’ উপায় নাকি খোঁজা হচ্ছে এখন।
সেটি হতে পারে বোর্ডের কাছে সাকিবের দুঃখ প্রকাশ বা ক্ষমা চাওয়ার মধ্য দিয়ে। অথবা হাথুরুসিংহে এসে যদি বোর্ডকে ‘অনুরোধ’ করে কমাতে পারেন শাস্তি। কাল নাম প্রকাশে অনিচ্ছুক এক বোর্ড কর্মকর্তা জানালেন, ‘এখন আমরা মূলত কোচের জন্যই অপেক্ষা করছি। কোচ নাকি বলেছেন, তিনি নিজে বিষয়টার মীমাংসা করতে চান।’
অবশ্য সাকিব চাইলেও এখনই ‘ক্ষমা’ চাইতে পারবেন না। আগে তো বিসিবির পক্ষ থেকে শাস্তির ঘোষণাটা তাঁকে আনুষ্ঠানিকভাবে জানাতে হবে! তাঁকে যে আগামী দেড় বছর বিদেশি লিগে খেলতে দেওয়া হবে না বা তিনি যে আগামী ছয় মাস আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে খেলতে পারবেন না, সেটা সাকিব জেনেছেন পত্রিকা পড়ে আর টেলিভিশন দেখে। নিজেদের পেশাদার বলে দাবি করা বিসিবি কাল পর্যন্তও লিখিতভাবে শাস্তি প্রদানের বিষয়টি জানায়নি সাকিবকে। যতক্ষণ না ওই চিঠি হাতে পাচ্ছেন, ক্ষমা চাওয়া বা শাস্তির বিরুদ্ধে আপিল, কোনোটাই করতে পারছেন না তিনি।

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Old July 11, 2014, 09:48 PM
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Shak's ban might be reduced...as coach may concern about our world cup preparations and so...thus, wants to talk to BCB and Shakib and make a compromise...

Shak may join the squad sooner ...



বিসিবির দেওয়া শাস্তির ঘোষণা শোনার পর থেকে মুখে তালা মেরে আছেন সাকিব আল হাসান।তাঁর শাস্তির বিরুদ্ধে ভক্ত-সমর্থকেরা মানববন্ধনসহ বিভিন্নভাবে প্রতিবাদ জানালেও এ নিয়ে তিনি এখনো কোনো কথা বলেননি।
তবে একটি সূত্রের খবর, সাকিব এবং বিসিবি দুই পক্ষই এখন আছে কোচ চন্ডিকা হাথুরুসিংহের ঢাকা ফেরার অপেক্ষায়।সাকিবের শাস্তির কথা শোনার পর কোচ নাকি ই-মেইলে বিসিবিকে জানিয়েছেন, বিষয়টা তিনি নিজে দেখতে চান।ছুটি কাটিয়ে ১৪ জুলাই রাতে ঢাকা ফেরার কথা হাথুরুসিংহের।
সাকিবকে দেওয়া শাস্তিটা বেশি হয়ে গেছে বলেই মত বেশির ভাগ মানুষের।বিস্ময়কর হলেও সত্যি একই উপলব্ধি আছে বিসিবিতেও! তবে অত্যুৎসাহী হয়ে একবার শাস্তি দিয়ে ফেলার পর সেটি আবার নিজেদের উদ্যোগে কমাতে যাওয়াটা নিজেদের জন্যই বিব্রতকর হবে। সে জন্য শাস্তি কমানোর ‘সম্মানজনক’ উপায় নাকি খোঁজা হচ্ছে এখন।
সেটি হতে পারে বোর্ডের কাছে সাকিবের দুঃখ প্রকাশ বা ক্ষমা চাওয়ার মধ্য দিয়ে। অথবা হাথুরুসিংহে এসে যদি বোর্ডকে ‘অনুরোধ’ করে কমাতে পারেন শাস্তি। কাল নাম প্রকাশে অনিচ্ছুক এক বোর্ড কর্মকর্তা জানালেন, ‘এখন আমরা মূলত কোচের জন্যই অপেক্ষা করছি। কোচ নাকি বলেছেন, তিনি নিজে বিষয়টার মীমাংসা করতে চান।’
অবশ্য সাকিব চাইলেও এখনই ‘ক্ষমা’ চাইতে পারবেন না। আগে তো বিসিবির পক্ষ থেকে শাস্তির ঘোষণাটা তাঁকে আনুষ্ঠানিকভাবে জানাতে হবে! তাঁকে যে আগামী দেড় বছর বিদেশি লিগে খেলতে দেওয়া হবে না বা তিনি যে আগামী ছয় মাস আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে খেলতে পারবেন না, সেটা সাকিব জেনেছেন পত্রিকা পড়ে আর টেলিভিশন দেখে। নিজেদের পেশাদার বলে দাবি করা বিসিবি কাল পর্যন্তও লিখিতভাবে শাস্তি প্রদানের বিষয়টি জানায়নি সাকিবকে। যতক্ষণ না ওই চিঠি হাতে পাচ্ছেন, ক্ষমা চাওয়া বা শাস্তির বিরুদ্ধে আপিল, কোনোটাই করতে পারছেন না তিনি।

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i hope that happens but unless it's completely dismissed he'll still be missed in some series and we need to think about how the void will be filled until he returns.
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Someone from the A team that played in WI few days ago should be in. Shakib is not in a state of proper mind after all these incidents, and he needs a break for the greater benefit of him and Bangladesh cricket.
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shakib er boodle je ashbe.... se to duck e maire jabe ar wicket o pabe na ..... so ami khellei pari
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shakib er boodle je ashbe.... se to duck e maire jabe ar wicket o pabe na ..... so ami khellei pari
I vote for you Sagar bhai to replace Shakib.
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I hope Taijul gets a chance- coach needs to find a good combination to replace shakib's all roundering ability.
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Old July 12, 2014, 09:54 AM
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Who will replace Shakib ?

Farhad Reza !
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Old July 12, 2014, 07:17 PM
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I hope Taijul gets a chance- coach needs to find a good combination to replace shakib's all roundering ability.
taijul is untested though and doesn't have the batting of shakib, going to be to to fill the space
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I think it's time for Nasir to realise his potential with both bat and ball. Didn't shakib become a better cricketer overall when he began being used as a front line bowler as well as middle order batsmen? I remember Shakib taking 7-36 against New Zealand in his first match as a fronting bowler. Give Nasir that opportunity to bowl as an attacking option and bat in the brittle middle order... If anything I think it's time for Tamim to either deliver like the last tour of the carribean (which begun a prolific run of scores from Summer 09-10) or give his spot up to a youngster... Carrying this lack of runs will forever lose you cricket matches. I believe Mushfique is going to transform Bangladesh cricket from now... I want to see his efforts on his own game reflect in his captaincy and not be scared to fight to the last ball in any game. Mark my words Mushfique will be ranked top 5 in tests in his career
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I think it's time for Nasir to realise his potential with both bat and ball. Didn't shakib become a better cricketer overall when he began being used as a front line bowler as well as middle order batsmen? I remember Shakib taking 7-36 against New Zealand in his first match as a fronting bowler. Give Nasir that opportunity to bowl as an attacking option and bat in the brittle middle order... If anything I think it's time for Tamim to either deliver like the last tour of the carribean (which begun a prolific run of scores from Summer 09-10) or give his spot up to a youngster... Carrying this lack of runs will forever lose you cricket matches. I believe Mushfique is going to transform Bangladesh cricket from now... I want to see his efforts on his own game reflect in his captaincy and not be scared to fight to the last ball in any game. Mark my words Mushfique will be ranked top 5 in tests in his career
tamim should be gone for now, WC is coming up, time to give some young potential openers some experience specifically shamsur, imrul and anamul.

as for nasir, i think he's way to inconsistent as an offie to be pushed as a front line bowler, he'd have to show some better consistency as a part timer to be pushed like that i think, he bowls some decent mediums to but again it's a consistency thing. tbh for awhile now i've thought there wasn't to much point of selecting a pace all rounder when they're all average bowlers and don't get bowled much and are mainly just sloggers with the bat. we have nasir a genuine batsman who is pretty much just as good with his mediums as any other pacer (bar mash, taskin, rubel in ODIs, al amin and maybe shafiul). why pick zia and reza when nasir is way better with the bat and just as good with the ball? haven't seen muktar ali and has a good record but from what i've read on this forum he hasn't got a lot of hype or push behind him so he may well just be like zia and reza.

there is naeem who can bowl offies and bat but he's a limited player, shuvagata i haven't seen bowl but again accounts say he's not particularly good with the ball so it's a big risk to push him in that direction, better to play him as mainly a batsman who can bowl a bit.

we have riyad, but he's already hugely experienced and can't perform, he's the one we should look to but we can't....

mosaddek hossain i believe is an option but is he ready? probably not.

if we can't fill the gap with another all rounder then the specialist bats and specialist bowlers need to step it up a notch while shakib is gone.
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Riyad no one else comes close in terms of all round ability. He can't be a Shakib replacement, but if he can give us a few 50s and take 2-3 wickets without being expensive, we should be fine. Taijul is a must either way unless Razzak keeps getting picked.
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Riyad is already there though, he's not filling the gap of shakib unless he steps up a notch and we bring in someone who can fill riyads role (naeem, shuvagata, mosaddek, shabbir).

Riyad should be the one to step up the question is will he or do we have to go for someone new to do it?
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There wont be any replacements for Shakib.

Lets hope for better team effort in his absence. Mushfiq is slowly establishing himself as the teams most reliable batsmen. Lets hope he continues his form and gets support from the likes of Anamul, Mominul. Another player i hope we try out is Imrul Kayes who had a very good outing with the A Team in West Indies.

With the ball, it will be tougher. The ball will turn generously in West Indies. Razzak, Gazi definitely needs to step up. Wonder who will be our third spinner.
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There wont be any replacements for Shakib.

Lets hope for better team effort in his absence. Mushfiq is slowly establishing himself as the teams most reliable batsmen. Lets hope he continues his form and gets support from the likes of Anamul, Mominul. Another player i hope we try out is Imrul Kayes who had a very good outing with the A Team in West Indies.

With the ball, it will be tougher. The ball will turn generously in West Indies. Razzak, Gazi definitely needs to step up. Wonder who will be our third spinner.
razzak needs to go, gazi will get more chances because off spinners are fairly rare in BD.

someone will have to take shakib's spot in the squad though, so it will be interesting to see who the selectors pick for that spot. are they going to pick another spin all rounder or will they go a different avenue.
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razzak needs to go, gazi will get more chances because off spinners are fairly rare in BD.
Razzak does not need to go. He is the most successful spinner of Bangladesh. He can easily play for another four years. The only thing that always lacked in his game is a bit more smartness while fielding.

Gazi, and Sunny both still are one series wonder. Gazi should not get chance only because offspinners are rare in BD. If Gazi is good enough he should be in the team regardless of whether he is throwing offspin of middlespin.
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Naeem can replace Shakib. He played against NewZeland, became our highest run getter, we beat them 3-0 and Naeem was dropped from next series. This was pure injustice. He played in WI recently with the A team.

Shakib's bowling may be missed, if WI still have spin-friendly wickets. We have enough spin supply even without Shakib though.
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Razzak does not need to go. He is the most successful spinner of Bangladesh. He can easily play for another four years. The only thing that always lacked in his game is a bit more smartness while fielding.

Gazi, and Sunny both still are one series wonder. Gazi should not get chance only because offspinners are rare in BD. If Gazi is good enough he should be in the team regardless of whether he is throwing offspin of middlespin.
it would be great if we could rely on razzak but we can't, he's averaged 36.3 over the last 3 years in ODIs (compared to his career average of 28.86) and in the last 12 months he's averaged 71 from 7 matches. it's time to look for some other options before the WC rolls around so they get experience now and don't go into the world cup dry.

gazi, well i don't necessarily agree that he should get more chances just because he's an offie but i believe he will continue to get more chances partly because he is an offie. the two sunny's haven't really been given many chances, arafat 5 ODIs and 2 t20s whilst elias has played just 4 tests, 4 ODIs and 7 t20s. i wouldn't put them out of the running just yet, though i wouldn't pick them atm as taijul really should be the front runner.
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Naeem can replace Shakib. He played against NewZeland, became our highest run getter, we beat them 3-0 and Naeem was dropped from next series. This was pure injustice. He played in WI recently with the A team.

Shakib's bowling may be missed, if WI still have spin-friendly wickets. We have enough spin supply even without Shakib though.
the problem with naeem is that he generally bats to slow in ODIs. since that NZ series he's made scores of 35 against afghanistan, 14 against india and 32 against SL which isn't horrible but couple them with his strike rates which were 68, 73 and 58 in those respective matches and you have a bit of a problem. he has an overall strike rate of 66 from 51 ODI innings, given that he also batted lower in the order from 6-8 generally earlier in his career that strike rate is way to low.
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Gazi is a plodder. He is a very one dimensional bowler. Arafat Sunny needs to be in the team asap.
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Strike rate depends on the match situation and the player's place in the team. That 32 was bad; but that 35 was OK, on par with Nasir and Mominul and better that Rahim. It was a match we lost to Afghan.
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Strike rate depends on the match situation and the player's place in the team. That 32 was bad; but that 35 was OK, on par with Nasir and Mominul and better that Rahim. It was a match we lost to Afghan.
regardless of match situations a strike rate of 66 for a batsman or all rounder in ODIs really isn't acceptable these days. yes different innings require different strike rates but that doesn't rationalise a career strike rate of under 70 in today's cricket.

are we to simply ignore his previous runs in the ODI team and just take his performances from the NZ series onwards? it's not isolated to one format for naeem either, in t20s his strike rate is 114 in internationals and 106 overall from 54 matches and in tests it's at 37 with his FC strike rate being 43, his list A strike rate of 71 is more acceptable but at the end of it it's the international performances that count when playing international matches and he's played nearly 60 ODI matches with a career strike rate of 66.
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Taijul was very average in WI tour. I don't think he is a good option to replace Razzak. He seems like one of those domestic bullies like S. Shuvo.
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Taijul was very average in WI tour. I don't think he is a good option to replace Razzak. He seems like one of those domestic bullies like S. Shuvo.
well then we are running out of spin options, there really isn't a depth and quality of spin, shakib is it. i didn't get to see much of taijul but he did well in the t20 A team game against south africa and in the FC matches in WI he did decent with 3/83, 3/95, 2/95 and 1/62. the one A team match he hasn't done well in was a list A match which is his worst format. he's 22 so he's young, he's openly spoken about focusing on good line and length which is important, he's done well in domestic FC and t20s and he's done a pretty good job in his A team matches so i'm willing to give him a few national team chances, better than sticking with razzak imo, especially in tests....

what i think should be done is pick the different spinners for their best formats, taijul obviously is better in FC's and t20s so don't pick him for ODIs, elias might be more of a short format specialist so don't pick him for the long format, arafat will have his better format(s) and the same goes for sajib and noor and any other spinner. we need to start picking for formats.
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