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December 22, 2014, 09:23 PM
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Tonoy is an idiot.
Tonoy maybe you should stop spending less time with your gf and more time here so you can catch everything...
We want perfection or no action.
Like I said let the people decide.... By hiding the reason you are just making yourself look like a villain and protecting the real culprit and criminal... transparency is the best policy.... you have no trade secrets or anything to protect here.
Let BCF or whoever lose their own respect...
Let's say I curse out somebodys mother when I coudlnt' win an argument, you ban me, everyone rallies behind me without seeing what I did and you take the blame.. but if you let everybody see it...then a lot of ppl will realize my true color and in future will act accordinly.... No one wants to be associated with a low life... let them come out even if they are hidinh behind 10k "intelligents" posts.
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December 22, 2014, 09:34 PM
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And I have a question.. Why DO you guys volunteer for this website without any obvious gain? It makes no sense specially some of you that have family and jobs and are normal.
I think it's the power trip. Take that sense of power from the mods and all of a sudden you have nothing but a tedious job that do not give back....
Are you getting college credits.. can you write it in your CV that you moderate an online forum (maybe you can - for the right person)......
I know [...]
If not for power trip then why??? I think all of you mods should quit and spend better time with your girl friends....
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December 22, 2014, 10:05 PM
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Sorry iDumb but this is not going to change. It's very simple, if a person posts something which is against the forum rules, that person is notified and the appropriate action is taken. There is no point trying to put a smear campaign. This has always been the case and always will be.
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December 22, 2014, 10:25 PM
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i would be surprised if it did.... no one does anything against self interest....
anyways there is no point of this discussion, what we should discuss is [...]
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December 22, 2014, 11:29 PM
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idumb i explained before i was hired through a series of video conference calls/competency based interviews. You might not know what those are but once you find a Decent job it will be clear.
@tonoy Kenshin sequel came out dude. :-)
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December 22, 2014, 11:56 PM
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jadukor nobody cares.
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December 23, 2014, 12:00 AM
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jadukor nobody cares.
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Obviously these dudes care
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December 23, 2014, 12:00 AM
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Its a good film idumb. Watch it with your gf, bua etc
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December 23, 2014, 04:20 AM
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I've been banned like 5, 6... a crap load of times last 5 years, for the most littlest reasons. I have never said anything about mods/BC policy, never protested, never took it personally. But I feel I must say something about this.
I don't know BCF at all. We never had any real discussions, only seen him around recently. Going through his stats it looks like he spent a good decade in this forum. By banning someone who spent all that valuable time in this forum you're really flushing part of their life down the crapper. I don't know why he's been banned but to me, there's really not a lot you can do in forum to get a "life-sentence," specially at this day and age of the internet. But it seems more frequent in this forum. Very rarely I've seen anyone agree with these bans. But if someone deserves it members here can't wait to applaud and cheer the decision.
There's lot of Us vs Them when it comes to BC members-mods relationship. And it's created by none other the BC's strict policy. It's relatable to the recent cops vs public issue that's been going on. I've been a part of few forums and this is the only place where it's this extreme. And mods shouldn't be made into such authority figures. The buttons they can press shouldn't be considered as "powers." And I think most mods here, if not all, do very well to blend in and not feel so empowered by it. It's a thankless job. Personally, I'd make the crappiest mod. I'd ban anyone I remotely dislike. I'd avg more bans than some BD batsmen. I'd be power hungry and it's only natural to feel that way. I think this forum would be a lot better place than it already is, if we can get rid of such stern and hasty policy, give some chills, and realize it's just a forum.
At a dry time like this, BC as a forum, not just the owners, would do well to be appreciative of the few dedicated and active members. It's the members who make the forum. It'd be nothing without them. It's more fun when it's active.
/my_two_cents.
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December 23, 2014, 04:31 AM
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And to add to my previous two cents making it three cents, I don't think there's a lot of continuity when it comes to these bans. Not to brag, but ALL of my bans were reduced significantly, without me appealing or anything. Which tells me the first decisions were hasty. Also, I have seen some people get unbanned from a life ban, probably for various reasons, such as their friendship with their the admins. I always thought, if I ever got a permanent banned I probably wouldn't receive such benefit, neither would many others. Which is unfair.
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December 23, 2014, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dilscoop
And to add to my previous two cents making it three cents, I don't think there's a lot of continuity when it comes to these bans. Not to brag, but ALL of my bans were reduced significantly, without me appealing or anything. Which tells me the first decisions were hasty. Also, I have seen some people get unbanned from a life ban, probably for various reasons, such as their friendship with their the admins. I always thought, if I ever got a permanent banned I probably wouldn't receive such benefit, neither would many others. Which is unfair.
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If ur referencing me abt how i got unbanned for life then fair enough. I wrote to the mods many many months after i got banned. Wrote a whole essay to justify how i was unfairly punished. And then they decided to unban me. So no it wasnt because the mods were my frends cos i dont know em at all. But funnily enough the number of times u got unbanned i always assumed u were tight with the mods and thats how u always got unbanned. Ahaha lol.
I agree with dilscoop. BC is unfairly harsh in terms of banning members. Other forums mods issue bans only wen a person is trolling for a long period of time. And mods in those forums blend in with the rest of the members of that forum. But in BC it does seem like its us vs them and i think BC members deserve to know on what basis are members getting banned for because quite clearly it is very harsh and its very impartial. The more people active the more enjoyable BC is and frankly all this banning has screwed it all up.
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December 23, 2014, 04:50 AM
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^ I wasn't talking about you. Didn't even know you were banned lol.
And no, I'm not "tight" with the mods. I was never unbanned. I never got a permanent ban. All of them were short period.
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December 23, 2014, 05:41 AM
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A lot of good points being bought up..Just sayin
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December 23, 2014, 10:10 AM
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There needs to be a BC Election.
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December 23, 2014, 07:29 PM
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Quote:
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^ I wasn't talking about you. Didn't even know you were banned lol.
And no, I'm not "tight" with the mods. I was never unbanned. I never got a permanent ban. All of them were short period.
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U got one permanent ban, then it was uplifted
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December 23, 2014, 09:13 PM
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Speaking my mind as a member here since many questions have been raised.
So I apologise in advance to my mod team and reiterate that these views are only my personal views as a long serving member of BC.
What I love about BC or why I come back after a hard days work (or during working hours ) has very little to do with my mod status or moderation. I come here like the rest of you to support the hardest freakin team (for a fan) on this planet, to bi*ch and whine about all things cricket. My first identity is that I am a regular fan and BC member who talks a lot, knows very little and loves to make endless Team XI lists. Over time you do tend to see the funny side of things in the forum and occasionally I would poke fun at those things but I would always try to do it through humor.
I have been in many arguments and was called a retard, idiot, guy with zero knowledge, wife's money grabber, atheist etc etc. Did I, at the end of the day, think about how to ban that guy/girl because I lost an argument? Hell no! Can I unilaterally just make a decision to ban? Nope I can't. If there is a reported issue between a mod and a member that mod does not take any action by default. Personally I like to resolve my arguments on the thread itself, if I get attacked; I like to dish out equally through my post itself within forum rules. I don't take back lingering issues with me. As an individual I think it's about accepting that I might not know everything about cricket. It's okay if another person is right and I am wrong. At the end of the day we don't get any medals for proving a point through putting somebody else down.
As Tonoy already mentions a Ban happens when there is a severe violation of forum rules for example a user who calls everyone in BC a kafir in a post (true story). We do take immediate action when such things are reported. There are however more complicated problems which involves carefully orchestrated personal attacks which might look like a general comment if you do not know the context. In those cases a decision is taken upon a consensus between the team of moderators. So the whole notion that mods are trigger happy is a myth. There are many here with multiple bans who are obviously a bit bitter. Banning someone will always be an unpopular decision and there is no way to avoid it. Could we do public shaming? I believe we shouldn't because that person is already serving a ban. Why beat down on a guy who already got punishment for an action.
idumb mentioned yesterday that I am the worst moderator in BC history. He is entitled to make his own assessment. There is nothing I can do to change public perception. All that I can do is to try to moderate the best I can without ever letting personal issues get in the way.
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December 23, 2014, 09:14 PM
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Ps sorry for the essay!
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December 23, 2014, 09:52 PM
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U got one permanent ban, then it was uplifted
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Nope. AFAIK, the longest I got was 6 months which was also reduced. People here thought I was life banned because I wasn't active and opened appeal thread on it.
You can find out why I got banned on my twitter pic @Dilcommissioner
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December 23, 2014, 09:52 PM
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BCF was banned before and made a come back. Hope it happens this time too.
He was really active in last few months .... feeling really bad ....
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December 23, 2014, 11:09 PM
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I have been in many arguments and was called a retard, idiot, guy with zero knowledge, wife's money grabber,
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This is the best description of you I have come across so far.
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December 23, 2014, 11:18 PM
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This is the best description of you I have come across so far.
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Lol......
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December 24, 2014, 12:00 AM
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I would suggest a slight shift in policy--Treat Cricket section and Forget Cricket section separately. Forget cricket section is where many of these experienced--and seemingly knowledgeable in cricket--users tend to cross the line. The section covers such a wide range of topics, including controversial ones at times related to religion and politics, I can see how it can be difficult for some members who are very vocal and emotionally involved to keep their cool in the heat of the debate. On the other hand these exchanges make life difficult for moderators to judge objectively without letting a certain level of subjectivity get in the way. They are human after all. But they are in a tough spot when such conflicts arise and things get out of control. Bans will cause many members to have sympathy for the banned whether they're guilty or not since they don't have insight into the events leading up to the ban. In order to accomplish the dual objective of teaching the member a stern lesson and not being too harsh and preventing them from participating in intelligent cricket discussions, they should be banned from Forget Cricket while allowed to participate in Cricket sections until they cross the line there.
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December 24, 2014, 03:51 AM
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I think mods are missing the whole point that they really need to ease up and/or change the rules. BC was always one of the best behaved even if u include all the stuff that may be have said by people and also all the trolling. I just find it unnecessary to ban members especially wen BC is gonna be dead in the not too distant future.
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December 24, 2014, 05:59 AM
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I mostly echo Tonoy and Jadukor's opinion on this matter. With a brief glimpse inside behind-the-scene matters I can assuredly say that it's not an us vs. them thing altogether.
However, where I do have qualms with moderating is when it transcends maintaining civility in the forum to gouging one's own agenda. And let's not pretend there isn't any.
Although there is no "us vs. them" issue there IS a rift between moderator demographic and general demographic in the forum. While it is changing, such as induction of Jadukor, tonoy, and soft spoken Kalpurush in the forum, the people who are majority of the mods are of elder aged, traditionalist from back home who tend to be more conservative, albeit I am generalizing with a broad swath. While you'd see mods are siding with people who supports members against the ones who support India and Pakistan, to me to take away their murderous free will is as disgusting as akin to granting them. Because that is just my outlook. That is just how I was brought up esp. spending a decade in USA. I am sure there would be like minded people who would share my ultra liberal views because that's just how we were brought up. Add to that a venomous desire to question everything and go to the root of matters, it will bound to incite a few members who could or could not stem their entire epistemology from religion.
So obviously there will be a clash between the older generation vs. the new one. The solution would be that the equilibrium will take place automatically with more and more newer generations amalgamating seamlessly with the elder head honchos without whom this forum would be in a stalemate.
As far as mod action, well, they have been lax recently. I used to remember where one-liners were frowned upon and even smileys. Now it is restricted to match threads. Then again the draconian, uber manifesto of the Board Rules is an entire book by itself.
For tl;dr
Here is my two cents:
1. I am against anything that is oligarchical and elitist. But my love for BD cricket is so great - REGARDLESS OF WHY ...I am not bound to explain it to anyone, I am willing to overlook the fault in the rule by elite. I used to go to Math SE and Mathoverflow but I stopped going there long time ago as they have this mafia like authority within an inner core group.
2. Add to this elitism, we have this attitude (sometimes borderering sheer arrogance): We are older than you, we earn more money than you, we have more accolades than we therefore, Mods know best. NO. Mods do not know best. It is as fallacious as argument from authority. They are humans just like you and me, and are bound to make mistakes.
So mods should swallow the humble pill a bit more, and continue their great work. As for fans, they need to cut them some slack.
And I find it preposterous that while mods trumpet that it is not run by democracy they have a suggestion box to go along with the forum. So what's the point of that? Then how can this be NOT an us. vs them attitude?
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I think mods are missing the whole point that they really need to ease up and/or change the rules. BC was always one of the best behaved even if u include all the stuff that may be have said by people and also all the trolling. I just find it unnecessary to ban members especially wen BC is gonna be dead in the not too distant future.
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So basically anything goes?
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December 24, 2014, 07:37 AM
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To the mods who keep whining that this is not their day job and they have other things in life bla bla. You have volunteered for this, no one shoved the responsibility down your throat.
This forum already has very few active members. Wont be surprised, if I see the 'Mods' banning each other after a couple of days.
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