Champions Trophy's flop 11

Tigers_eye · #1 June 3, 2017, 09:55 AM

When you have that much promise, and/or do lots of golabaji.... yet perform like dud;

(This is not a permanent list but...)

Captain: ABChoke De V
Strike bowler: ~~Starc~~
Strike Bowler #2: Malinga
Opener: Roy
Best alrounder: ~~Shakib~~

To be continued..

SportingBD · #2 June 3, 2017, 09:57 AM

Shakib: 21 Match in WC = ZERO Man of the match (mentioned in the other thread also)

Now CT: and his following his trend of failing in global OD tournament.

How can someone be such a failure in big tournament? what goes through his mind?

Tigers_eye · #3 June 3, 2017, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SportingBD
Shakib: 21 Match in WC = ZERO Man of the match (mentioned in the other thread also)

His 1st WC match, he could have gotten the MOM easily.
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Since it is a team game, MOM is not the best measuring stick. Kayes has MOM in WC. That is not a big deal. Contribution to the win is the most important part. He has contributed 2nd highest runs in all BD wins. He is third highest wickets in all winning matches for BD. I am not questioning his contribution to BD.
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This CT and its buildup, Shakib is a dud.

SportingBD · #4 June 3, 2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
His 1st WC match, he could have gotten the MOM easily.
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Since it is a team game, MOM is not the best measuring stick. Contribution to the win is the most important part. He has contributed 2nd highest runs in all BD wins. He is third highest wickets in all winning matches for BD. I am not questioning his contribution to BD.
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This CT and its buildup, Shakib is a dud.

Class players usually win you the match single-handedly at some point in a global tournament, the fact that Shakib hasn't - just shows me how ineffective he has been to team Bangladesh in a global tournament. It's good you contribute, but ain't no good if you can't show that u can do it for team Bangladesh by yourself at some point in a big tournament. IMO has been a consistent failure in a global tournament.

Tigers_eye · #5 June 3, 2017, 10:28 AM

If "man of the match" is that important then "man of the series" should be even more important, no?

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Originally Posted by SportingBD
Class players usually win you the match single-handedly at some point in a global tournament,..

Not a correct statement. Imran khan hasn't won a MOM award in global tournament. That doesn't mean anything.

Shakib has 3 test series Man of the series. 5 ODI man of the series.
Virat has 1 test series Man of the series. 4 ODI man of the series.

Except Amla (3, 7) and De V (4, 6), None current players, NONE, have that kind of record.

SportingBD · #6 June 3, 2017, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
If "man of the match" is that important then "man of the series" should be even more important, no?
Not a correct statement. Imran khan hasn't won a MOM award in global tournament. That doesn't mean anything.

Shakib has 3 test series Man of the series. 5 ODI man of the series.
Virat has 1 test series Man of the series. 4 ODI man of the series.

Except Amla (3, 7) and De V (4, 6), None current players, NONE, have that kind of record.

I think you are getting mixed up between normal series, matches vs. Global tournaments. Didn't Imran Khan win his country a WC? and he scored 70+ in the final? Player's prepare to make it's nation proud at a global stage, grooming etc takes place so players are ready to perform at the biggest stage.

I have no doubt about Shakib's contribution in series etc.. but what is disappointing is his contribution in a global tournament. He hasn't done anything significant for Bangladesh in WC! where as players like Ash, Tamim, Mahmudullah, Mushfiqur have contributed to wins either by winning the MOM or by runs etc.. Shakib being classed as World Class has been a big disappointment, maybe pressure kills him at the biggest stage?

His record is also poor. in WC when BD won, if you exclude team likes Scotland etc, he has BT average of 14.33 with SR 47

Tigers_eye · #7 June 3, 2017, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SportingBD
I think you are getting mixed up between normal series, matches vs. Global tournaments. Didn't Imran Khan win his country a WC? and he scored 70+ in the final? Player's prepare to make it's nation proud at a global stage, grooming etc takes place so players are ready to perform at the biggest stage.

MOM Wasim Akram.

Contribution in global stage, yes, Shakib has done it.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/247464.html

MOM - Shakib Al-Hasan
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/535799.html

Yup that is a multinational tournament. His scores with the bat was 64, 49, 56, 68 and 6 wickets in 4 games. Ended up with the Player of the tournament. How can you forget?

SportingBD · #8 June 3, 2017, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
MOM Wasim Akram.

Contribution in global stage, yes, Shakib has done it.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/247464.html

MOM - Shakib Al-Hasan
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/535799.html

Yup that is a multinational tournament. His scores with the bat was 64, 49, 56, 68 and 6 wickets in 4 games. Ended up with the Player of the tournament. How can you forget?

I nearly thought.. damn.. how did I get it wrong

You scared me Tigers_eye bro.

First link - Mash won the MOM, and he set up the match for us, India bowled out for 191.

Tamim/Mushfiqur/Shakib scored 50s.. to win us the match. Mushy remained not out and took us to victory. Everyone contributed fairly equally, made possible only with our good bowling to get India out for 191.

Second link: It's Asia cup.. not all teams take part, its irrelevant, doesn't count as a global tournament to me.

Imran Khan won his country a World Cup, his contribution as captain was more important to Pakistan winning the WC, thats something very Significant.

Habib · #9 June 3, 2017, 11:12 AM

Lol T_E bhai, let the tournament finish first. Or at least wait for the final.

aklemalp · #10 June 3, 2017, 11:14 AM

This champions trophy is also not global since west indies is not is.

We represent the New World

SportingBD · #11 June 3, 2017, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by aklemalp
This champions trophy is also not global since west indies is not is.

We represent the New World

Well.. that still doesn't change anything? As I referred to WC matches only.

In CT, he is just proving he ain't big tournament player.. as seen in WC.

Tigers_eye · #12 June 7, 2017, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SportingBD
Well.. that still doesn't change anything? As I referred to WC matches only.

In CT, he is just proving he ain't big tournament player.. as seen in WC.

When you are trying to make a point, you can't nit-pick matches, overseas games, to denounce a player's ability. I'd say USA could have been the WC winner if they played. Same with China, Japan etc. Or I could say, Inzi is terrible in 1st round matches in WC. So drop him from the 1st round games. That would be a correct statement but a wrong conclusion.
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At any rate, Golden Duck for AB De V. Way to go Captain. Leading from the front.

Starc has redeemed himself getting tailenders. Wow!!!!

aklemalp · #13 June 7, 2017, 09:17 AM

One game we love them, the other game we hate them.

Such is life. Never would we wanna experience a low with a player, we only wanna share their successes.

Roey Haque · #14 June 7, 2017, 10:13 AM

The Bd XI minus Tamim, and ABVD.

godzilla · #15 June 8, 2017, 03:23 AM

It really sucks when almost all of the team is out of form apart from 2-3 players. Shakib is seriously out of form in both department. Fizz seems very out of form aswell. Mulla was never in form to begin with, apart form contribution here and there. When majority of your priority players are out of form, you know you will have a one way ticket back to bd in the first round.

Nadim · #16 June 8, 2017, 05:19 AM

Fizz should make it too. Yet to get a wicket in this tournament...

SportingBD · #17 June 8, 2017, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
When you are trying to make a point, you can't nit-pick matches, overseas games, to denounce a player's ability. I'd say USA could have been the WC winner if they played. Same with China, Japan etc. Or I could say, Inzi is terrible in 1st round matches in WC. So drop him from the 1st round games. That would be a correct statement but a wrong conclusion.
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At any rate, Golden Duck for AB De V. Way to go Captain. Leading from the front.

Starc has redeemed himself getting tailenders. Wow!!!!

Too be honest, I didn't get your point. My point was Shakib has been a consistent failure in World tournaments and in CT his continuing the trend. He maybe a star for us, but what counts more is what you do in the world stage, no point racking up numbers when you go missing during world tournaments. Most often than not, World Class players show up in big stages! Shakib had 21 attempts in WC, failed. Now in CT, 2 attempts, failed. Only one more left.. against NZ..

horizon · #18 June 8, 2017, 07:47 AM

Yeah from the stats it seems that Shakib is a failure in ICC tournaments. He's opposite of Dhawan ... I'm a big Shakib fan and never thought about this.

horizon · #19 June 8, 2017, 07:56 AM

Imran Khan was MoM in two WC matches.
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/stati...?PlayerID=0928

SportingBD · #20 June 8, 2017, 08:01 AM

Lol. Thanks Horizon. I wasn't bothered to search and verify what T_E said, trusting his probably right about Imran not winning any MOM in WC!

Roy_1 · #21 June 8, 2017, 02:18 PM

If Kohli doesn't perform and we lose again against SA, put Kohli's name on the top as this tournament's biggest flop both as batsman and as a captain.

Vepu · #22 June 9, 2017, 02:14 AM

Shakib should be the captain of this X1

Eclipse · #23 June 9, 2017, 03:18 AM

Shskib, fizz, mashrafe, sabbir, taskin, mahamudullah, imrul, mosa

Tigers_eye · #24 June 9, 2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SportingBD
Too be honest, I didn't get your point. My point was Shakib has been a consistent failure in World tournaments and in CT his continuing the trend. He maybe a star for us, but what counts more is what you do in the world stage, no point racking up numbers when you go missing during world tournaments. Most often than not, World Class players show up in big stages! Shakib had 21 attempts in WC, failed. Now in CT, 2 attempts, failed. Only one more left.. against NZ..

Here lies the problem. When you contribute then you are not a failure. He didn't fail. He did contribute heavily in our wins (how many rare it may be). MOM is not the only measuring stick. He has been MOSeries in major multi national tournament. You are nit picking. To date, Both Imran Khan and Shakib Al Hasan has played 175 ODIs. Shakib has 15 MOM, to Imran's 13.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/con...ds/283705.html

horizon · #25 June 9, 2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Here lies the problem. When you contribute then you are not a failure. He didn't fail. He did contribute heavily in our wins (how many rare it may be). MOM is not the only measuring stick. He has been MOSeries in major multi national tournament. You are nit picking. To date, Both Imran Khan and Shakib Al Hasan has played 175 ODIs. Shakib has 15 MOM, to Imran's 13.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/con...ds/283705.html

At least I am not denying Shakib's contribution. However, it remains a mystery why it doesn't happen in WC matches. That's as simple as that.