Do you want Ian Pont as head coach?

[kalpurush]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Thanks bhai.

I have always said that I have unfinished business in Bangladesh. Had I have stayed, I would have been in place for 19 months now and we could have had that pace academy cranked up and running by now - developing pace bowlers on a production line.

I loved the BPL as HC. Plus the fans in Bangladesh are awesome.

For me, it is much more than just a job or a stepping stone on the CV, as it is often is for others.

I always wish Bangladesh Cricket well. There is so much more that can be done

We all know ^^^ very well Ian. I hope BCB take the right decision this time and employ a coach who has passion for Bangladesh cricket and lead us into the future...

[FaHiMa]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Oh, they know. They read BC...

They do ? I had no idea! WOW!:O So all our ranting, all these years haven't changed a thing with BCB?

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Oh, they know. They read BC. They may not like what they read, but they do read. They may even laugh at us - engaging so much of our energies in discussions that will in the end have no impact with the BCB. Not in spite of the fact that, as custodians of the game in Bangladesh and tasked with the its governance and fostering the expansion and development of the game, they should realize that the game exists in the country because the fan-base exists. Simple business logic - if you ignore your clients, your product will fail.

This is a GREAT POST! especially the last line.

[firstlane]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
For me, it is much more than just a job or a stepping stone on the CV, as it is often is for others.

This is a big allegation Ian. You are putting stigma on others just to prove your love for BD. I see none of our ex-coaches begging for a job in Twitter or fan-forums listing their successes with BD team.

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by firstlane
This is a big allegation Ian. You are putting stigma on others just to prove your love for BD. I see none of our ex-coaches begging for a job in Twitter or fan-forums listing their successes with BD team.

Firstlane.. I am not applying for any role at the BCB. So don't misunderstand my twitter ironic posting to my IPL colleagues about the IPL. If I wanted to apply for the HC Bangladesh role, all I have to do is apply like anyone else. You need to be a bit smarter, bhai.

Secondly, the truth is people in coaching use any role as a stepping stone to something bigger. Unless this is the biggest role they will ever have, it is of course true. Stuart is leaving to take up an important role in Australia. Dav is head coach of a higher ranked country. Jamie is likely being interviewed for the NZ head coach role. All their roles have been stepping stones to another job. That is how it always seems to turn out.

Let me be clear so you don't misunderstand my irony yet again: I am not applying for the HC of Bangladesh. I do not seek it. I would however, like to get an opportunity in the IPL because I am able to commit to that for the two months it is on, and like the BPL, T20 is something I enjoy.

Hope that's cleared it up for you, firstlane. Far from 'begging for a job" as you put it, I already have a 4 year contract in India and have a pace academy there, SO COULDN'T DO THE JOB EVEN IF I WANTED TO.

But if you followed twitter, you would know that already eh?

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by firstlane
This is a big allegation Ian. You are putting stigma on others just to prove your love for BD. I see none of our ex-coaches begging for a job in Twitter or fan-forums listing their successes with BD team.

I don't think, that sentence/passing comment deserves such reaction. That's normal for any aspiring professional. That doesn't mean, they weren't sincere with their job, they had to be, because their achievements (+/-) in that position also counts.

To be frank, if a coach took up BD HC job in last 10 years, this was the only/primary incentive they had. What else do you think we had on offer??

[Dilscoop]

Not that in matters, but I just voted no, simply because it wouldn't make any sense to have 2 bowling specialist coaches, not because I don't want him to be our head coach. So IDK how can 50 people vote yes w/o realizing that and makes me wonder whether this is a popularity contest and has anything to do with coaching. If it is, then I'd like to change my vote. Yes, he is popular in BC.

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Not that in matters, but I just voted no, simply because it wouldn't make any sense to have 2 bowling specialist coaches, not because I don't want him to be our head coach. So IDK how can 50 people vote yes w/o realizing that and makes me wonder whether this is a popularity contest and has anything to do with coaching. If it is, then I'd like to change my vote. Yes, he is popular in BC.

Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?

PS. As a Level 3 coach and former professional allrounder, I of course coach batting. I just chose to specialise in fast bowling.
PPS. Does anyone really care

[Dilscoop]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?

ahaa! Got me there. I guess it's valid for the olden days when jerseys weren't treated as billboards. (Still valid in the American sports though.)

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
PS. As a Level 3 coach and former professional allrounder, I of course coach batting. I just chose to specialise in fast bowling.
PPS. Does anyone really care

I do know that as you have mentioned it many times before. And that's why I clearly wrote "bowling SPECIALIST." As you, yourself just wrote you chose to specialize in bowling. And I never said you won't be able to coach batting. But at the end of the day you get marked down as a "bowling-spe coach." And BCB already have one of those. Not that anyone really care, but if I was BCB, I won't CAN'T hire Pont, unless I can get rid of the current dude.

I think we are a bit late. Best time was when Jamie Syndromes was fired, before hiring current bowling coach. And we know why that never happened. So no point in going there.

[Ian Pont]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
ahaa! Got me there. I guess it's valid for the olden days when jerseys weren't treated as billboards. (Still valid in the American sports though.)


I do know that as you have mentioned it many times before. And that's why I clearly wrote "bowling SPECIALIST." As you, yourself just wrote you chose to specialize in bowling. And I never said you won't be able to coach batting. But at the end of the day you get marked down as a "bowling-spe coach." And BCB already have one of those. Not that anyone really care, but if I was BCB, I won't CAN'T hire Pont, unless I can get rid of the current dude.

I think we are a bit late. Best time was when Jamie Syndromes was fired, before hiring current bowling coach. And we know why that never happened. So no point in going there.

Dilscoop.. you are quite right about not going there at all in any part of this subject.

Just to help, at Dhaka Gladiators, I was head coach and we had Mo Rafique as bowling coach. It is perfectly possible to have mutli-talented coaches in a variety of utility roles. My fear is in waiting to appoint batting specialists as head coaches, we don't know if that batting coach is a good head coach, or whether someone who chose bowling as a specialism is a better head coach option.

This is always the problem with linking batting coaching and head coaching together. I have no idea why people do it. Australia and England have stand alone head coaches and separate specialists for each discipline.

I mention it many times before because people seem to be stuck on the fact that if you coach one area you can't coach another. To become Level 3 Head Coach, you have to be able to coach all disciplines in the first place.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?

Good one Pont

[WorldCup11]

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Dilscoop..just read your signature. Hasn't the Bangladesh shirt got the country name on the back and the sponsors on the front? The same as England? Are you saying the sponsor is more important than the country?

I love my country and it always comes first for me. I voted yes because I too knew you got an unfinished business there and you'll do it with passion.

[playmaker]

Ian Pont certainly has what it takes to coach our team. Now dillu, look at DG. They had both Rafique and Pont as part of coaching staff dont they?

And if we do need we have the luxury to hire a batting coach. England even has a WK coach, or had at least

So basically, we can try Ian Pont out but I wont mind someone like revee, newell or Pybus being in the team.

[BengaliPagol]

Too many candidates for HC position. With all this speculation of who is in the running for the job is annoying me. I just want a good coach that will stick with the team. Someone that will work hard and think of ways to improve Bangladesh cricket. Someone who has the skill base to achieve that.

[Rifat]

I wonder if Ian Pont has been approached by county teams to coach for them?

[shuziburo]

The team is poised to make an important step and we need the right head coach. I would really like to see you as the next coach. I am not holding my breath, though. I know that our board does not always take the most logical route.

Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Do you think this result would still stand now knowing ganguly, wright, donald, siddons, jurgensen, newell, nielsen (name any other Aussie you can think of) plus all IPL coaches might be mentioned at various/all times by BCB or "sources close the the board'?

Still waiting for that call from President who wanted me back in BD when he spoke to me at BPL.

The one consistent thing I have realised about BD is the fan base - loyal loyal loyal. You deserve better and I hope you get the best coach available.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Oh, they know. They read BC. They may not like what they read, but they do read. They may even laugh at us - engaging so much of our energies in discussions that will in the end have no impact with the BCB. Not in spite of the fact that, as custodians of the game in Bangladesh and tasked with the its governance and fostering the expansion and development of the game, they should realize that the game exists in the country because the fan-base exists. Simple business logic - if you ignore your clients, your product will fail.

In Bangladesh, we are too loyal and BCB knows that. That is why they ignore us with impunity. It will not change until we raise our voice.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Not that in matters, but I just voted no, simply because it wouldn't make any sense to have 2 bowling specialist coaches, not because I don't want him to be our head coach. So IDK how can 50 people vote yes w/o realizing that and makes me wonder whether this is a popularity contest and has anything to do with coaching. If it is, then I'd like to change my vote. Yes, he is popular in BC.

You have been here for a while and thus might have noticed that many of us try to take the logical route. Having two bowling coaches (one as the head coach) could be an issue if the head coach cannot do the job. I don't think that to be the case with Ian Pont. I have been impressed with his knowledge and overall logical approach.

He is popular. Yes. But, IMHO, he is also capable of being an effective national head coach. I hope he does it in BD.

[playmaker]

While we all ponder about HC our players must also made sure they make full use of the coaching they receive. Ian himself said he asked the players if they want to practice more they said: "no" which clearly explains that the players do not have the will to become better. That is the reason why we dont have a steyn, broad or a Lee. The players have so few competition that they get a chance whether or not they perform. We need to raise the bar.

I must give credit SL for being so professional and showing faith in our boys. But it was also upto Mushfiq to create some positivity in the team. Just as Mash said earlier, there is no NEGATIVE energy in the team at recent times unlike there was during the JS era. So full credit to Mushy. Remember when he was crying at the Asia Cup match it showed how passionate he was for the team. I dont think ive seen too many players with such passion, to be honest