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Old August 20, 2009, 02:47 PM
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You got the crux. But I was hoping a 27*20*2 + 15.
Anyway all yours.
The problem is with the 27 and 20. Some finish in 29, some do 8 or 12 instead of the 20 (long standings).
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How is it defined in Quran when to stop eating and drinking (fasting begins)? I am looking for the metaphor. Prophet (PBUH) later had to explain what it really meant.
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Old August 20, 2009, 02:51 PM
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The problem is with the 27 and 20. Some finish in 29, some do 8 or 12 instead of the 20 (long standings).
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Again had to consent to that - being from largely conservative part of Dhaka I experienced all of them although I used to go to the long standing one (mostly followed by neighbors). It always finished on Lailatul Qadr. The memories of special Munajat each year still saddens me.
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Old August 20, 2009, 02:51 PM
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The problem is with the 27 and 20. Some finish in 29, some do 8 or 12 instead of the 20 (long standings).
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How is it defined in Quran when to stop eating and drinking (fasting begins)? I am looking for the metaphor. Prophet (PBUH) later had to explain what it really meant.
Something to do with shadows?
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Old August 20, 2009, 02:52 PM
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Something to do with shadows?
Close but not quite.
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black thread distinct from the white thread? Surah Bakarah?
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The problem is with the 27 and 20. Some finish in 29, some do 8 or 12 instead of the 20 (long standings).
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How is it defined in Quran when to stop eating and drinking (fasting begins)? I am looking for the metaphor. Prophet (PBUH) later had to explain what it really meant.
002.187 - Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

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Old August 20, 2009, 03:04 PM
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002.187 - Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

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Yes sir. next question please. i will explain it in a bit.
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A sahabi after learning the aiath kept a black and white string under his pillow. He would eat a little and look to see if he could distinguish those two strings. Kept on eating until finally he saw the difference and stoped eating. Then he went to the Prophet (S) and told him what he did. The prophet explained that the strings means light of horizon not literal meaning of strings. - Source Noman Khan from Virginia. Teacher of Biyyinah Arabic Institute.
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What are the other occasions (Name any Two) when a fasting has been ordained by Allah?
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Old August 20, 2009, 03:37 PM
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What are the other occasions (Name any Two) when a fasting has been ordained by Allah?
Abraham (A) and the Jews?
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Abraham (A) and the Jews?
You are right T_E; But I meant for Muslims.
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... But I meant for Muslims.
i am not sure but guessing Day of Arafa, and Ashura (+1 day).
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Old August 20, 2009, 03:57 PM
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i am not sure but guessing Day of Arafa, and Ashura (+1 day).
058.004- Divorce by Jihar/ Calling one’s wife mother - 60 days
002.196 – Fail to shave hair/sacrifice, end of Hajj due to sickness etc – 10 days
004.092 – Killing a believer by mistake – 60 days
005.089 – For breaking deliberate oath – 03 days
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Old August 20, 2009, 06:09 PM
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058.004- Divorce by Jihar/ Calling one’s wife mother - 60 days
002.196 – Fail to shave hair/sacrifice, end of Hajj due to sickness etc – 10 days
004.092 – Killing a believer by mistake – 60 days
005.089 – For breaking deliberate oath – 03 days
Alhamdulillah. Thank you for the answers.

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Alhamdulillah. Thank you for the answers.

Since it is my turn I would like to request Rifat to ask the next question.
Thank you Brother:


Which Prophet(A'laihis Salam) destroyed all the statue gods at his Father's Temple while his whole Townsmen went to annual temple worship festival? and then later he was tied to a tree to be thrown into a pit of fire...then Allah said:

"ya naru kuni bardao salaman a'la_______".

you should give me the name of this Prophet, translation of this verse and the surah...
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Which Prophet(A'laihis Salam) destroyed all the statue gods at his Father's Temple while his whole Townsmen went to annual temple worship festival? and then later he was tied to a tree to be thrown into a pit of fire...then Allah said:

"ya naru kuni bardao salaman a'la_______".

you should give me the name of this Prophet, translation of this verse and the surah...
I know its Ibrahim (pbuh) ... can't give you the translation, though.

This story was one of the first Islamic stories I had read (probably when I was 7 or so). Ibrahim (pbuh) destroyed all the statues, and hung the axe he used to do his deed on the shoulder of the biggest statue of them all (which he left intact). When the townspeople (knowing his rebellious nature) blamed him for this blasphemous act, a young Ibrahim simply responded "It wasn't me ... It was your main God with the axe." The townspeople, quite flustered, said: "How could he have done it? He can't walk or talk, much less break these statues!" To this, Ibrahim replied: "Well, if he can't walk or talk and is totally powerless, why do you all worship him?"

To this day, this story brings a smile to my face.
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Old August 20, 2009, 10:28 PM
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As far as I can recall the story, Ibrahim (A) didn't say, "it was your main God with Axe." He used his finger pointing towards the big statue with axe.

Allah subhanawa tala asked the fire to become soothing for Ibrahim (A).
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Why? This was not stated in the original rule. Original rule clearly states from sunrise to sunset and with no variation. Why do you need a work around that.

Penguins are not the only one in Antarctica now. A whole bunch of people live there for various reasons (scientist are a bulk part of that).

I have no problem with this except that has not been handled in the rule. What I have problem with is that no mullah is open minded enough to accept it. They will always come up with an explanation that does not follow the logic of ruling in Islam.
the question itself does not follow any real "logic" behind it. islam has built in within it a clause that anything and everything becomes halaal if one's life depends on it. so for example, suppose a muslim finds himself in antarctica, since fasting for 6 months without dying is not possible, eating and drinking now become the fard instead of fasting!

further, there are not any permenent residents in antarctica. travellers are expempted from fasting. furthermore, the traveler's provision is 2 weeks, as far as i know, which corresponds to 14 years in antarctican "time". so unless anyone spends 14 years consecutively without leaving in antarctica, fasting would literally not be an issue. furthermore, suppose if you went to antartica the month after ramadan, u would need to wait 11 months (aprox 330 days) for the next ramadan which would be 330 "regular" years later in antarctica before it was ramadan next time!!

a better question is what happens in 5 billion years when the sun burns out, and hence there is no day or night???
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the question itself does not follow any real "logic" behind it. islam has built in within it a clause that anything and everything becomes halaal if one's life depends on it. so for example, suppose a muslim finds himself in antarctica, since fasting for 6 months without dying is not possible, eating and drinking now become the fard instead of fasting!

further, there are not any permenent residents in antarctica. travellers are expempted from fasting. furthermore, the traveler's provision is 2 weeks, as far as i know, which corresponds to 14 years in antarctican "time". so unless anyone spends 14 years consecutively without leaving in antarctica, fasting would literally not be an issue. furthermore, suppose if you went to antartica the month after ramadan, u would need to wait 11 months (aprox 330 days) for the next ramadan which would be 330 "regular" years later in antarctica before it was ramadan next time!!

a better question is what happens in 5 billion years when the sun burns out, and hence there is no day or night???
Now, that's a much better answer than what I've been getting from other people.

So, basically speaking, fasting in Antarctica is not mandatory given the situation.

I've been asking this question for a while now just to irritate people, though.
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Now, that's a much better answer than what I've been getting from other people.

So, basically speaking, fasting in Antarctica is not mandatory given the situation.

I've been asking this question for a while now just to irritate people, though.
Your Urge to irritate people (just for fun) has led us all to learn something. Al hamdulillah.
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Since no one is asking a question, I will ask one:

How many chapters are there in the Quran that starts with the word ‘Qul’? Name them.
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Since no one is asking a question, I will ask one:

How many chapters are there in the Quran that starts with the word ‘Qul’? Name them.
Al Kafirun
Al Ikhlas
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An Nas.
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Al Kafirun
Al Ikhlas
Al Falaq
An Nas.
There is one more. That's why the question was asked. BTW, I do not give any partial credit.

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