Poll: Does Mushfiqur Rahim Deserve to play at Lords?

[amim]

Javed Omar should play and middle order should be boosted by the presence of Bashar, Rahim, Ash ( who knows he might get 30 odd runs). Other batsman need to battle it out for 2 remaining places.

Aftab can bowl so it leaves Nafis Iqbal or Shahriar to fight for the remaining spot. rajin can't open so he is not playing.

[reyme]

Originally posted by Mridul
BD Players are never consistent....atleast Mushfiq Rahim is consistent so far...he definetly deserves a chance....i would not pick Mushfiq Rahim if others batsmen were in form.....if ppl say he is too young ...does not have any experience...then i would like to ask them.....how many current players of bangladesh actually had experience when they first start playing for Bangladesh national team?.....teams like BD should always go for inform batsmen....remember folks...we r not Australia yet

Excellent point! I hope sham will get some of our points by now. The point is team like australia can delay the process for long since they have just so deep talentpool. for a team like bangladesh, who are desparately trying to hang on thier test status, we just need to go with the best form of players. desparate measures indeed. and as i said before time and again, this series is just too damn important, we just cant afford to lose in three days. so we really need to go with the best form of players. sure rahim might fail but can sham gaurantee that others will not?

[PoorFan]

I voted NO after Rahim's 63 against sussex, but now no choice but to say YES after his unbeaten 115. The reason is simply he deserve it better than Rajin or Aftab. Rajin and Aftab should learn by loosing their place in test by Rahim.

[kalimdor]

Absolutely..no doubt......he can replace Rajin for the first test

[cricfanz]

I'm not sure which side to lean towards to now, but I have to admit, he's definately going to be in Lord's XI after this century. I mean, unless the selectors have decided to keep the original team intact...but I don't see how they could ignore this century.

[rafiq]

I don't understand the panic on this board regarding the so-called failures of the bangladeshi batsmen on the tour so far. It's as if you expected them to all be hitting 50s and 100s in the warmupmatches, when in fact going into the tour it was guaranteed that they will struggle in the early summer english conditions. They have done exactly what they were supposed to do - struggle. it doesn't matter whether they were playing the second string county sides, only the most delusional fans here expected the team to do anything more than they have already done.

Based on all kinds of analysis, I would say the average expectation for the test series is Bangladesh is expected to lose both tests by innings defeats in 31/2 days. Anything better will be a bonus. So we need to stop fooling ourselves and putting undue pressure on the team. It's not that they are talentless and cannot press the England team - they can - but their lack of experience in English conditions will be a big difference if the warm up matches are any indication.

Mushfiqur is no silver bullet just like Enamul Jr or the left handed opener Nafees Ahmed is not. Let's stop looking for the silver bullet and tinkering with the team all the time. Nafis and Aftab have barely made the team team and people here are calling for them to be dropped. Rajin Saleh was being hailed as a hero a couple of months ago now arm chair selctors have him being canned.

Mushfiqur could get a chance to play although I would wait until the 2nd test when we inevitably need to drop a batsman who failed in the first test. We need 3 pacers which means Enamul Jr can't play - that is something that would have caused Engalnd more worry had Jr clicked.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

thank you rafique bhai. thank u very very much for explaining in such a good way. finally i got someone on my side. i wish i could say all this stuff so nicely too. i hope people can understand something after reading your posts.
people here are saying that we should go with players in their best form. yes mushfique is in great form. he has scored century and all that but thats against third string bolers. he still hasnt faced bolers like hogwards or harmission. atleast the others have faced mcgrath bond shoaib akhtar or even zaheer khan before. atleast they have an idea how to face raw pace and swings. i dont think mushfique has experience in all this. if mushfique is included and does bad all the people that want him in the team now are going to be backing up. moreover it is going to effect mushfique the most. because he probably might loose all his confidence that he has built until now.

Edited on, May 23, 2005, 5:06 AM GMT, by FaltuRidwanBhai.

[salin]

Ami Rahimer bodolay Rajinkayi Lord's a dayktay chai. Karon ami nishchit jani atai hobay rajiner shesh test amonki ODI. RAJIN shaheb chirokal shetai proman koresen tobuo onar ato fan bayparta lokhkhonio.

Rahim will definetly be the first choice for 2nd test & the rest......

[shaoun]

northamptonshire and sussex are better team then zimabwe team that played us couple of months ago. mushfikur rahim showed that he deserves a place in first test. i m almost sure that he will get it but i am not sure who he will replace. its either gonnna be aftab or rajin. lets see what the coach and the captain decides.

[salin]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Fortunately, we've another practice match left to answer this question. he should Definitely play the 3rd practice match and then we can decide who goes in to the final 11. as for me, i'd not replace aftab even if that means only for his bowling. if u wanna go with one less bowler cut off shahadat. aftab is better (at least at this point and situation). I also think this is enough to answer the question of shahriar nafees vs javed omar. u and me like it or not, we need JO for the test. this is my team for 3rd practice match and probably 1st test:

1. Javed Omar
   
2. Nafis Iqbal
   
3. Habiul Bashar (enough sitting for a scar on forhead, get back to work).
   
4. Rajin Saleh
   
5. Mohammad Ashraful
   
6. Aftab Ahmed
   
7. Mushfiqur Rahim
   
8. Khaled Masud
   
9. Mohammad Rafique
   
10. Mashrafee Mortaza
    
11. Taposh Baisha
    

Only place I'm not sure is whether we should play rajin or shahadat.

Well, This is appeared to me a very wise selection. 11 batsman 6 of them allrounder!!!
Its realy excellent thinking as we are so worried about our batting. with this selection we might play five days, even we might win if our bowlers are lucky enough.
I simply agree with you. I don't consider Shahadat but Instead of Rajin we may select shahriar nafees.

I am sure with this selection we could make a history.

[ononto]

I am on the side of playing him in test 1. Doesn't matter what you are thinking about being a 'test cricketer' by experience and/or achivement or, "ruin the future of him" as said by 'Sham' I am pretty sure he is taking our side in the test1 replacing rajin(most probably).

In current situation of bd forget about everything Sham. It's our first game at Lord's and we need to at least survive against the seamers.


I would agree with you if we were at 2010 with some convincible victory on our hand.

[rafiq]

Originally posted by salin

Well, This is appeared to me a very wise selection. 11 batsman 6 of them allrounder!!!
Its realy excellent thinking as we are so worried about our batting. with this selection we might play five days, even we might win if our bowlers are lucky enough.
I simply agree with you. I don't consider Shahadat but Instead of Rajin we may select shahriar nafees.

I am sure with this selection we could make a history.

yeah we would make history allright, we would be the frst Test team to go into Lord's with 3 frontline bowlers!

[PoorFan]

....Following Northamptonshire's generous decision to declare on 230 for 6, Javed Omar drove loosely at Charl Pietersen in the first over of the Bangladesh innings and was caught in the gully. Aftab Ahmed, Rajin Saleh and Mohammad Ashraful each chipped simple catches to mid-on or mid-off, and Nafees Iqbal was bowled behind his legs.

But their dereliction gave Rahim the chance to shine. The right-hander, who scored an exciting half-century in Bangladesh's defeat at Sussex, received support from Mohammad Rafique and Kahled Mashud.

Rahim struck the ball beautifully and it was hard to believe you were watching a player so tender in age. His driving was superb and he was fearless in coming down the wicket.

"He looked so controlled - an old head on young shoulders," said Whatmore. "Lord's would be a great place to make your debut. To play him would be a good positive move."

Doesn't above comment is enough to prove that Rahim really deserve a call for test? Atleast the comment came from a reporter of Independent and our coach Dav Whatmore himself.

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[Mr-khan]

Originally posted by salin
Ami Rahimer bodolay Rajinkayi Lord's a dayktay chai. Karon ami nishchit jani atai hobay rajiner shesh test amonki ODI. RAJIN shaheb chirokal shetai proman koresen tobuo onar ato fan bayparta lokhkhonio.

Rahim will definetly be the first choice for 2nd test & the rest......

Hahah..Ae forum a Rajin saleh k bad dear por Rajin joto support paise amar to mone hoy na j bashar k team theke out kore dile Bashar o ato support pabe.Sobar amon ekta vab jeno Rajin chara BD X11 osomvob bepar.Rajin ki Sachin level ar kono batsman naki?

[rafiq]

poorfan: it says nothing about rahim "deserving" a place right here right now. but it does say that whatmore is seriously considering giving rahim his debut

[PoorFan]

Originally posted by rafiq
poorfan: it says nothing about rahim "deserving" a place right here right now. but it does say that whatmore is seriously considering giving rahim his debut

Then what does it says? "Lord's would be a great place to make your debut. To play him would be a good positive move." I thought he is talking about right here right now and means he really deserve a chance.


Edited on, May 23, 2005, 6:35 AM GMT, by PoorFan.

[salin]

Dear Rafiq,

I think we all know our bowllers capacity!!
If you even take 7 frontline bowlers, you can not do any harm to them for sure unless depend on our luck.

When our main aim is to play 4 or 5 days then why are you still thinking of bowlling attack.

Beside i don't see any difference among Rajin Ashraful or Enamul as bowler.

[Mahir]

Originally posted by mr-khan
Sobar amon ekta vab jeno Rajin chara BD X11 osomvob bepar.Rajin ki Sachin level ar kono batsman naki?

mr-khan, baparta sherokom na. Rajin has proven before that he can play in the BD team as a test player, and he has done well in numerous occasions. Right now, the scenario is such that two superb innings from Mushfiqur Rahim along with Rajin's not-so-outstanding performance has doubted Rajin's inclusion in the squad for the first Test.

Yes, Mushfiqur deserves to play in the first Test, and why JUST the first Test, he deserves to play in every game BD plays after what he has done so far in this tour which the other batsmen couldnt, BUT will it really be a wise selection ?

Assume Mushfiq doesnt play as well in the Test, will he be dropped for the second test ? If he gets dropped, what will it do to his confidence ? I am talking too far here, but honestly, keeping Rajin in the first Test team is a much better, much safer, and a much wiser choice. Note his performance there, if he fails, then sure, put Mushfiq in the second test, as a specialist batsmen.

Its not about BD team being impossible without Rajin, its about taking the right steps in the team selection, thinking for the future, and not judging players on their performances in three mere practice matches. Mushfiq will play for BD for a long time to come, but play Rajin now, give him all the chances he needs. We can tell this much that if Mushfiq plays, BD will win against ENgland, and if he doesnt, BD will lose.

By the way, Aftab should be the sixth batsman after Javed, Nafis, Bashar, Ash and Rajin.

[salin]

Originally posted by mr-khan

Hahah..Ae forum a Rajin saleh k bad dear por Rajin joto support paise amar to mone hoy na j bashar k team theke out kore dile Bashar o ato support pabe.Sobar amon ekta vab jeno Rajin chara BD X11 osomvob bepar.Rajin ki Sachin level ar kono batsman naki?

na vai apni janenna uni Shachin ar cheyow protivaban! ami akbar onakay lagatar 5 bar Zero kortay daykaysi.
Last indiar shongay akta match a uni 3 bar catch drop koresilayn tar porayo uni amader best fielder.
tai amio jonotar kontay konto miliay boltay chai rajin tumi agiay cholo amra asi tomar Paysonay.

[AussieBloke]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
...people here are saying that we should go with players in their best form. yes mushfique is in great form. he has scored century and all that but thats against third string bolers. he still hasnt faced bolers like hogwards or harmission. atleast the others have faced mcgrath bond shoaib akhtar or even zaheer khan before. atleast they have an idea how to face raw pace and swings. ....

Edited on, May 23, 2005, 5:06 AM GMT, by FaltuRidwanBhai.

Hmm, if our "more" experienced batsmen have faced the likes of hoggard, harmison or mcgrath, they should not have had problem facing the third string bowling attack from Northants. However the reality is quite different. Almost everyone failed while Rahim shown like a shining star. Yes, experience is required. But when a player (despite his limited experience) outshines all his senior experienced players, that speaks of the volume of his maturity. Third string bowlers or not, he was the better player on the day...actually on two consecutive matches. As for the effect on his physche should he fail in the 1st test, let he be the judge of that. I would rather have him (the inform player) than pray for the other "non-inform" players to score. In my opinion, Rahim deserves a place.

[Daddy_Mac]

I don't really see why such a good player should not deserve to play??

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

masterblaster i agree with you completely. and that is also my reason not to include mushfique in the team.

[Sam]

Here we should not raise the age factor of Rahim, because Many renowned players in the cricket history played their first test at an early age. As for example: Sachin's debut was at the age of 16years 205 days; whereas Mushtaq Mohammad played his 1st test at the age of only 15 years 124 days.
Somebody have raised the question of the quality of the opposition. Here are two factors:
1. Aftab & Rajin did well against Zimbabwe recently. Rajin's record is not that good since Pak tour. I believe, Zim team was not a better team than an English county team (even the 2nd string).
2. Rahim scored and remained in the crease for longer time consistently, when others failed against the same opposition.
So, he has all the right to be selected for the 1st test.
However, I think, he should be given chance in the 2nd test. And if in case H. Bashar will be not available for the 1st test, he can make his debut at Lord's itself.

[little_master]

Bashar is OK in Lord's test...

[Rubu]

Reading at some of the comments dav made about mushi, its pretty sure that he will play at least one test. if he does not play at lords, its pretty obvious that someone will fail there. and he will replace that batsman in 2nd test.