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November 6, 2009, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LateCut
It should never have come to this. We should not be rescued by heroics of a 7th order batsman. This game was epitome of what is wrong with our team. To cite few,
1) Top order wobbled again on a batting track. No real openers.
2) Too many run outs that is a symptom of lack understanding or possibly selfishness. It happened in WI tour also.
3) Inexplicable decisions by skipper at the death over. For example, giving ball to Mahmudullah when Razzak (the in-form and most experienced bowler) had a over left.
4) Lack of pace attack that will bite us against better players of spin and outside the sub-continent
5) Our excessive reliance on SLAs who do not have great variations (Chinaman). This is specially true for Enamul. At least Razzak has arm ball and Sakib has accuracy. Even these two need to develop balls that turns the other way.
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I agree with #1 only.
#2: If you had watched the runouts there is nothing selfishness in all three. May be overconfident, may not understanding the game a little but no selfishness. Example: Mahmudullah-Naeem were set and the match was almost over because they were just put on cruise control and Zim was not doing anything to create a pressure. Price's overs were almost over. Then came the runout. Had Mahmudullah took his path towards his left he could have easily shielded the path of the throw. The ball could have hit him in the back but that would protect the wicket. Tamim's runout was tamim's fault. He wanted to square dance with Mpufu. That is not how you run between the wickets. Ash's, well he is a runout machine (overconfidence).
#3: Once a team is eight or nine down you try out everything to finish the tail. Introducing Riyad was a good decision because he had a chance to get the most important wicket. He already got 3 in crucial times. I side with Shakib on this one.
#4: Is nothing to do with this game. Injury is keeping us tied down.
#5: You choose the best you get. Yes we need so many types of players to be a balanced team but what can you do when you don't have them. Play with what we have and get the best out of it.
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I do wholeheartedly agree with you that it should not have come down to this. However, this is cricket and things happen out of our control. Coming out of the jaws of defeat is a new chapter for BD. That is a big positive which will only help our team down the road.
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November 6, 2009, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by djnaved
bhai let me tell u a short story......our school is well known for basketball........so like every 10 students, 8 of them are good in playing basketball......also good in making 3 point shoot..........so for a week we had like 1 week of 3 point shoot competetion......one paki dude signed in......and he's barely like 5'4......he got knocked out on moneday/tuesday/wednesday/thursday......however, he won the 3 point shoot competetion on friday......he barely knows how to play basketball.....and now, students call him as a shooter boy.......in naeem's case, the reason i called him as a faltuest player because he didn't even try to win the match for bd......if u were on the crease, and u got nazmul as ur batting partner......u got only one wicket left......30 runs needed......what u gonna do? letting nazmul in strike? no way, u r going to be on strike...because only u can win the match for us.........second, the reason i stated tht he is talented, because now he knows what to do according to match situation...a true learner is called as real talent.......if u can observe his all batting highlights..u r going to find couple of facts:
1: no feet movement
2: can't find gaps for singles/fours that often
also in bowling case, he has to improve a lot
compare my two post........the early naaem and this naeem.......
now watch both batting highlights of naeem
1:faltuest
2:not faltu at all
"so you are saying in your eyes in a matter of months you went from the most faltuest player you have ever seen to some talent. that's flip floping ok. you don't just randomly get talented in matter of months from faltuest"
suppose apni ekjon actor, hothat kore shooting spot e ekdin ekta gaan gailen......director bolla bah tomar gola to bhari shundor......chalaia jao, u started to practice singing.....in couple of months fans are calling u talented actor theke talented singer........we really don't know what our hidden talent is. kothai ase practice makes perfect.......practice korte korte na hidden talent ber hoye ashe
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dude stop with the analogy i have no idea what you are talking about. so i did a little research and tried to find exactly which match you were referring to when you opened you thread about nayeem. you opened the thread on January 19th 2009. so i tried to find the scorecard from the games around that time to see which match you were talking about. and here is what i found.
on Jan 10th 2009
http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh/en...ch/378753.html
in this match naeem scored 21 runs, nazmul scored 3, and nazmul didn't hit any 4 or 6
on Jan 16th 2009
http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh/en...ch/378756.html
nayeem scored 21 runs, nazmul scored 0 runs, and nazmul didn't hit any 4 or 6
on jan 19th 2009
http://www.cricinfo.com/bdeshvzim/en...ch/378757.html
nayeem scored 15 runs, nazmul scored 0, he didn't hit any 4 0r 6
naved which match were you referring to in that thread, cause in that thread you wrote this, "he is such a stupid player that he let nazmul to hit 4/6 for him" in the 3 match around the time you opened up the thread, nazmul didn't hit any 4 or 6 in any of the matches, so i'm just trying to find out which match you were talking about?
ok next, in your opening post you didn't write about nayeem rotating the strike with the number 11 batsman. you wrote this, "na nitea pare single, na marte pare 4/6". so from that i understand that his problem is he can't take single and cant' hit 4 or 6?? right? i repeat again you didn't write anything on your opening post about him batting with number 11 batsman and he didn't keep the strike when he should have.
so now after the game nayeem admitted to him mistake, he said, " I had learned from a past mistake. There was one occasion when I had sacrificed strike while batting with the last man and we lost the game. Everyone told me that I could have won that match if I had ensured strike. So I was consciously trying to take as much strike as possible" in this statement nayeem said he learned from his past mistake about giving up the strike to the number 11 batsman. ok. do you see anything written about he said i learned to pick up singles and hit 4/6. you said he doesn't know how to take singles or hit 4/6. that's his past mistake. you highlighted the line he said i learned from my past mistake, and then he went on to describe his past mistake was, which you didn't refer to in your opening post at all.
naved you just don't want to except the fact that you were wrong on calling him faltu. thats'a all. that's ok we can do this another way.
so the day you opened up the thread, nayeem is a faltu player, jan 19th. up to that day. nayeem was the most faltuest player you ever saw in your life? he doesn't know how to take singles, he can't hit 4/6? lets say i agree to that.
now on nov 5th you wrote "this nayeem dude got some talent".
so in between jan 19th and nov 5th he played 15 matches. and he scored the following runs, DNB, DNB, 7, 3, 26, DNB, 0, 4, 4 4, 21, DNB, 4, 0, 73. so in a matter of 15 matches, and 10 month in your eyes he went from the most faltuest player you ever saw in your life to he's got some talent. naved i just don't understand how do you grow talent in 10th months, you can improve your skill, technique that's one thing, but how do you get some talented in a matter of 10th months?
the truth is nayeem has always been talented. he didn't just randomly get talented in matter of months. if you check his first class record, which is pretty good in our standard, it will say so.
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November 6, 2009, 01:57 PM
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Great digging bro. Nice analysis also. Like it.
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November 6, 2009, 02:06 PM
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Naeem should bat at no 3
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November 6, 2009, 03:58 PM
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'Chokka' Nayem should open with Tamim. Drop Junaid and bring in Alok in the middle order.
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November 6, 2009, 04:28 PM
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lol we need to drop 2 players immediately....
USS01
DJNAVED
Can't decide who goes first ....Let's take a poll...
Hmm..i wonder if 10 months from now, i will call for DJNAVED to be captain of BC..
Or will i start typing in bangla 10 years from now cuz i find it offensive to type in English on this forum...
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November 6, 2009, 04:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
I do wholeheartedly agree with you that it should not have come down to this. However, this is cricket and things happen out of our control. Coming out of the jaws of defeat is a new chapter for BD. That is a big positive which will only help our team down the road.
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ekdom hoq kotha albeit a point lost on many. Yes, in an ideal world we'd lke everything to go according to plan, bowlers bowling every ball in the right areas, fielders flying around like "shooperman", openers getting off to flying starts, middle order piling up runs in heaps, flurry of boundaries and overboundaries from the lower order,etc.
But what we frequently get in real life is totally different. In cricket even the best laid plans can go awry. When we play against big teams, more often than not I'd say maybe six or seven times out of ten, Murphy's law seems to take effect. "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong, and at the worst possible time, in the worst possible way". When most things go according to plan, no doubt even the very best will taste defeat in our hands.
What happens if that doesn't happen, and what we get instead is a subset of the original set of tasks, that had been initially outlined, are efficiently performed by our players, thereby putting us in a position where a win is not guaranteed but a realistic possibility? In these situations, it's a) mental strength, b) refusal to accept defeat c) experience of having gone thru similar situations that can help us get across the finish line. Otherwise how do players lyk Gillespie score 200 runs after a top/middle order collapse or Murli dig out his team from the depths of 6/5, whereas we keep squandaring all those chances to win ball games that always seem so close and yet so far. Unfortunately these qualities can't be developed at training sessions/practice matches, rather these traits can only develop in certain individuals who are exceptionally strong mentally and have gone thru the experience of winning matches for their team when the game was on the line or the team was in a position of weakness. If we can develop more players with these abilities, the statistical odds of winning close matches will improve remarkably. That's why I personally thought it was one of the best wins for us in the series.
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November 6, 2009, 05:15 PM
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completely agree w/ zman - there are way too many occasions where we have lost just by a hairline because of every little thing going wrong incl. critical umpiring decisions
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November 6, 2009, 05:46 PM
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I guess I am little late to join the party, but can anyone describe me how did Nayeem turn around the innings? What was the RRR before Nayeem hit those three sixes in the end overs? What was the situation like? Thanks!
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November 6, 2009, 06:38 PM
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November 6, 2009, 06:40 PM
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The above 5th ODI was made available today in YouTube by ByteOMeter. Thanks to him/her.
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November 6, 2009, 06:44 PM
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November 6, 2009, 06:51 PM
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Quote:
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The above 5th ODI was made available today in YouTube by ByteOMeter. Thanks to him/her.
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thanks for the vid.. i missed the match..
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November 7, 2009, 01:22 AM
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The above 5th ODI was made available today in YouTube by ByteOMeter. Thanks to him/her.
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Thanks a lot for the video.
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November 13, 2009, 09:13 PM
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sorry guys i was wrong about nayeem, he is really a talented player
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November 13, 2009, 09:32 PM
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Quote:
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sorry guys i was wrong about nayeem, he is really a talented player
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ATMR likes this.
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November 14, 2009, 12:31 AM
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@Late Cut - do you know what is a "china man"? If you did, you would not have cited that as an example variation for our SLAs. স্বল্প বিদ্যা ভয়ংকর|
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November 14, 2009, 12:36 AM
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and yesterday he hits 6 sixes in one over against mohamedan
bowler was marshall ayub.
Boyyyy. Naeem is roaring.
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November 14, 2009, 01:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceoff
'Chokka' Nayem should open with Tamim. Drop Junaid and bring in Alok in the middle order.
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LOL, That can be derogatory at times
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November 14, 2009, 02:01 AM
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@Late Cut - do you know what is a "china man"? If you did, you would not have cited that as an example variation for our SLAs. স্বল্প বিদ্যা ভয়ংকর|
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exactly..
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November 14, 2009, 10:55 AM
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And I second that.
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November 14, 2009, 10:57 AM
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And I second that.
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I third it....
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November 14, 2009, 11:29 AM
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tik and naeem opeing is mad
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November 14, 2009, 06:59 PM
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Quote:
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tik and naeem opeing is mad
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Where's the emoticon to show that saliva is coming out of my mouth?
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November 14, 2009, 07:12 PM
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Naeem is to go a long way and doesnt deserve the effusive praise in this thread i think. its just that one innings against zimbo and then a local match. For the moment he has cemented his place in middle/late middle order it seems though, but lets see how he perform against bigger guns!
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