Sabbir Rahman (Rumon) to National Team as Pinch Hitter?

[MohammedShamim]

I am very tired watching some of our players bat at No.7 and No.8 (Mahmudullah&Zia) in T20. It’s a disgrace that Mahmudullah who already played 12 T20 International has an average of 12.68 and strike rate of 96.87. I don’t understand the reason behind Mahmdullah’s inclusion in the T20 squad if both Shohag Gazi and Mominul Haque play’s, enough spinners (Razzak, Shakib, Gazi, Mominul). It’s a very important position which Mahmudullah holds as in T20. Its time BCB includes Sabbir Rahman in the National team for T20. Its time that they realise we need a pinch/hitter who can cleanly hit the ball and at times win match’s for his country, why can rumon not be the Pereira of SL?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-premier-league-2013/content/player/373538.html

[Isnaad]

I think the term 'pinch-hitter' does not suit Shabbir. He is a proper batsman. But yes, I think he has done enough to get a call into the T20I squad.

[Murad]

No.
He hasn't done enough to get a call to the National squad.

[Isnaad]

Originally Posted by Murad
No.
He hasn't done enough to get a call to the National squad.

Well, with due respect to your opinion, no. 7 and 8 in our team aren't doing anything of note at all. We can afford to take Shabbir ahead of Zia and even Mominul in T20s.
I don't understand why Shabbir is not rated that highly at least for T20Is.

[Tiger Manc]

I agree it's time to bring him in at 7 for T20s. He'll do a better job than Zia or Mominul. He has the potential to play in ODIs in future too, so I think it's a good way to ease into international cricket.

[Nadim]

Lets keep going with Zia, Riyad and Mominul in T20. We gonna win the T20 Wc. why fix something that is not broken?

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by nadim 98
Lets keep going with Zia, Riyad and Mominul in T20. We gonna win the T20 Wc. why fix something that is not broken?

Exactly my thoughts.

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[Moh899]

Would it sound to odd if I say that I would like to try him as an opener?

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by Moh899
Would it sound to odd if I say that I would like to try him as an opener?

not that odd imo. i've thought about that for awhile now, t20 is the sort of game where even a lower order batsman as long as they aren't a slogger could potentially do well in the opening spot, however shamsur just came into that role and has started off well so i don't see reason to move shamsur from that opening spot just yet.

[Nadim]

btw its ROMAN/RUMMAN, not Rumon.

[Gowza]

get him into the t20 side thats for sure, at least then he gets some experience against some decent bowlers. riyad is starting to pick up his batting a bit in ODIs so i'm willing to wait a bit longer and see if he can keep it up/improve on it before moving him from the #7 spot in that format.

[al-Sagar]

if Rumman fails who do we call back ??? Zia, mominul or the legendary Roqibul ???

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by al-Sagar
if Rumman fails who do we call back ??? Zia, mominul or the legendary Roqibul ???

well none of those guys since shabbir should probably bat at #7 and maybe, maybe open in t20s and none of the guys you mention are openers or #7s or even suited to t20 cricket (possibly zia but only as a bowler so void in this regard). could try guys like shuvagata or soumya at #7, soumya could even open. my point is the #7 has a certain role, now if players are selected for specific roles (and they should be), then those players should at least play in the style necessary for said role. you don't put a mominul down at #7 because he just needs to many balls to get going, plus he's generally not suited to the shorter formats at current so it would be silly to select him for the #7 role or the team if we're talking specifically mominul.

the reason zia doesn't work in the lower order is because he's a blind slogger whose technique doesn't hold up against international quality bowling, so for a #7 in t20s and ODIs you certainly need someone who can genuinely bat, someone who is capable of being moved up the order ideally. let's face it we don't really have any hadlee's or wasim's, ATG bowlers who can play some crucial swashbuckling innings, mash is our closest in that regard, even an afridi type player would probably be good enough at #7.

[MohammedShamim]

Originally Posted by Gowza
well none of those guys since shabbir should probably bat at #7 and maybe, maybe open in t20s and none of the guys you mention are openers or #7s or even suited to t20 cricket (possibly zia but only as a bowler so void in this regard). could try guys like shuvagata or soumya at #7, soumya could even open. my point is the #7 has a certain role, now if players are selected for specific roles (and they should be), then those players should at least play in the style necessary for said role. you don't put a mominul down at #7 because he just needs to many balls to get going, plus he's generally not suited to the shorter formats at current so it would be silly to select him for the #7 role or the team if we're talking specifically mominul.

the reason zia doesn't work in the lower order is because he's a blind slogger whose technique doesn't hold up against international quality bowling, so for a #7 in t20s and ODIs you certainly need someone who can genuinely bat, someone who is capable of being moved up the order ideally. let's face it we don't really have any hadlee's or wasim's, ATG bowlers who can play some crucial swashbuckling innings, mash is our closest in that regard, even an afridi type player would probably be good enough at #7.

I really don't understand why you always bring Shuvogotom Hom's name up in your discussion I really can't! I hardly see anyone talk about him except you.. please let us know if you are his uncle or close friend! I mean have you watched Shuvo in BPL? I really don't understand how you can be so in love with Hom! But yeah. It seems like all your post are like promoting Shovoto Hom! U make a good PR, no offense.

[Fazal]

Ok... bring him in only if you have the patience to stick with him for couple of years.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by King13
I really don't understand why you always bring Shuvogotom Hom's name up in your discussion I really can't! I hardly see anyone talk about him except you.. please let us know if you are his uncle or close friend! I mean have you watched Shuvo in BPL? I really don't understand how you can be so in love with Hom! But yeah. It seems like all your post are like promoting Shovoto Hom! U make a good PR, no offense.

first it's not every post, i talk about him in threads that discuss selection because i believe he derserves more chances in the national team, i talk about a lot of prospects not just shuvagata. no i'm not related, i'm an aussie living in australia. look at his FC record, pretty decent, his list A stats and t20 stats for sure are not impressive but what he showed in his 3 ODI innings i was impressed by, then he got dropped for no reason and hasn't been selected since. the selectors keep bringing in more players, why not give someone who showed some decent ability that hasn't been given enough chances yet?

as far as your PR comment, thanks actually, we talk about the players we believe should be given chances and are good prospects, i think it's a good thing that his name is out there and people know/think about him because as i said i think he deserves a few more chances, probably anyone on this forum who likes a player and thinks they deserve a chacne will talk about them and be hopeful that others will start to talk about them.

but i really don't see what your deal is. shuvagata imo is relevant in these discussions due to his FC record and what he showed during his ODI performances. i often talk about soumya, taskin, babu, the kamrul's, before sajidul returend i talked about him as well and when we are talking about future players i talk about tasamul and asif, i've oftened talked about shabbir. so it's not just shuvagata i bring up, and i don't talk about him in every post.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by King13
I really don't understand why you always bring Shuvogotom Hom's name up in your discussion I really can't! I hardly see anyone talk about him except you.. please let us know if you are his uncle or close friend! I mean have you watched Shuvo in BPL? I really don't understand how you can be so in love with Hom! But yeah. It seems like all your post are like promoting Shovoto Hom! U make a good PR, no offense.

And what makes you so bothered by it? Gowza is a very knowledgeable fan and is one of the biggest well wishers of our team. He knows more stuff then most of the posters here. He talks about all the up and coming prospects of BD with great knowledge.

It's very immature for you to say if he related to Hom or not also. There are other posters that are big fans of players. Is there a rule that people can't be big fans of certain players?

[Sohel]

Rumman is an ef of a lot more than just a "pinch hitter". He's a real batsman with genuine potential to succeed at the highest level once his temperament begins to match his ability. That can only come through experience at the highest level given the pitifully inadequate nature of our domestic cricket, a scene that makes utterly crappy batting of the Nazimuddins of picnic cricket seem world class until you actually see the men behind those highly deceptive numbers play, and then predictably fail to sustain success at this level. Keep an eye on Kopa Shamsu, another such player doomed to failure like Imrul, Imroze, Mofees and countless others before them.

Rumman can bat anywhere in the order and is capable of adjusting his gears according to match situation. Get him in NOW! He can replace DaRk 2.0 AKA Bminul Haque Shourobh in the shorter formats ASAP if Zia continues to bowl well. Excellent RBW to go with the ability to find gaps and rotate the strike with ease. He also has the positive attitude we see in Shakib and Nasir. Someone else should replace Riyad, the other idiot in dismal form. Heck, replace Jahurual Islam Bmi while we're at it. Another overhyped, weak-willed loser not good enough to play at this level.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by Sohel
Rumman is an ef of a lot more than just a "pinch hitter". He's a real batsman with genuine potential to succeed at the highest level once his temperament begins to match his ability. That can only come through experience at the highest level given the pitifully inadequate nature of our domestic cricket, a scene that makes utterly crappy batting of the Nazimuddins of picnic cricket seem world class until you actually see the men behind those highly deceptive numbers play, and then predictably fail to sustain success at this level. Keep an eye on Kopa Shamsu, another such player doomed to failure like Imrul, Imroze, Mofees and countless others before them.

Rumman can bat anywhere in the order and is capable of adjusting his gears according to match situation. Get him in NOW! He can replace DaRk 2.0 AKA Bminul Haque Shourobh in the shorter formats ASAP if Zia continues to bowl well. Excellent RBW to go with the ability to find gaps and rotate the strike with ease. He also has the positive attitude we see in Shakib and Nasir. Someone else should replace Riyad, the other idiot in dismal form. Heck, replace Jahurual Islam Bmi while we're at it. Another overhyped, weak-willed loser not good enough to play at this level.

would like to see soumya get chances in t20, heck even shuvagata.

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Gowza
would like to see soumya get chances in t20, heck even shuvagata.

Soumya in T20Is is a good idea. But not at all sure about Shubhagoto in the format just yet. Hom's the type of player who likes to get his eyes in by rotating the strike with ease. Once that happens, his shot selection becomes high percentage because he doesn't feel rushed to hit anything other than a safely hittable ball while scoring at a brisk SR. Ideal ODI player that way, batting between 5 and 7.

Having said that, he has a tendency to play premeditated and low percentage shots when either bogged down or rushed. Both will happen in T20Is as well as tests. I think ODIs should be the gateway format for him, and once he gains experience there and learns from them, he can be considered for tests and T20Is.

BTW, the players we're talking about may cause Hefazat-e-Islam to add another demand to their list, and a fresh new round of sectarian cleansing while their apologists blame the ruling party for everything. Fair warning.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by Sohel
Soumya in T20Is is a good idea. But not at all sure about Shubhagoto in the format just yet. Hom's the type of player who likes to get his eyes in by rotating the strike with ease. Once that happens, his shot selection becomes high percentage because he doesn't feel rushed to hit anything other than a safely hittable ball while scoring at a brisk SR. Ideal ODI player that way, batting between 5 and 7.

Having said that, he has a tendency to play premeditated and low percentage shots when either bogged down or rushed. Both will happen in T20Is as well as tests. I think ODIs should be the gateway format for him, and once he gains experience there and learns from them, he can be considered for tests and T20Is.

understand that t20s isn't ideal for shuvagata, but if he can get his foot in the door it could lead to ODIs. i agree though, ideally he plays the one-dayers then moves from there.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Sohel
Keep an eye on Kopa Shamsu, another such player doomed to failure like Imrul

Ami onik hashlam when i read this.

[Shaan]

although I like Momin very much better than Zia, but Momin looks at this moment not so much ready for T20, so I voted Momin out and Sabbir in.

[BD_TigerZ]

Momin, Riyad and Zia are waste of space down the order in T20s. They cant rotate strike or clear ropes. Shabbir can and we saw that. It would be a good start for him, slowly move him into the ODIs if he does well and shows promise. I believe eventually he will bat at 4 in tests for us in 2 years time, he has the footwork, talent and energy but temperament is the big question.

[BD_TigerZ]

all of those guys should be out except Ash

Bijoy in For Riyad (3)
Mash in for Zia (8)
Shabbir in for Mominul (7)