The Mahmudullah Riyad thread! - Page 73

BD_TigerZ · #**1801** February 22, 2014, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nynemesis
smh are yea happy now ? he is dropped for asia cup squad , but guess what , bangladesh will never do any good at this moment without sakib tamim riyad era . this sakib tamim riyad era brought bangladesh where they are rite now , bangladesh team is unthinkable without these player , and proof is this srilanka series

Keu amare mairala

Rinathq · #**1802** February 23, 2014, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gowza
the thing with riyad is that he's never ever secured his place in the team in an y format for any decent length of time, sure he's had great periods (purple patches) of form now and then but for the most part his position in the XI and even the squad is always one that leaves us thinking is there someone better?

he's been around the team 7 or 8 years, look at what the others have done in that time, you've got shakib, tamim, mushy that have become much better and more consistent players in that period and riyad has remained pretty much at the same level as when he entered the team, we've got players like nasir and mominul coming into the team and doing well.

riyad isn't a bad player, and he's not lacking talent, but he's not done enough to outright secure his place in the team like others have, 7 years is a good period of time to get that chance if you can't secure your place in that amount of time i think it's completely fair and right minded to look into other options that could potentially secure a spot.

his 2 wickets in this match, they were nice and all but again he got them in a losing cause. i'm not putting the blame on riyad for losing this match, he bowled 10 very tidy overs and got a couple of wickets but it's just reinforcing what we all think and know about riyad, he has talent, he does perform well at times but it's for the majority in a losing cause. we want to try and find players that can do it for a winning cause.

Is this the first time he is dropped? Did they manage to find any replacement for him? Did he not come back everytime after getting dropped with satisfactory comebacks in domestics?

What does this tell you? There is something wrong with the way they are handling him. Maybe he needs to bat up and not in a position where either the team is in collapse or he needs to go after every single delivery? Yes he should be able to do both, but if we think players like Shakib and Nasir can do it better than him, than why dont they switch spots? Nasir played down the order and did fantastic, Shakib has become a batsman who loves going after everything.... so why are they being sent up the order ahead of someone who is not as good? But doesnt mean he should be dropped because as you say it, he has the talent... he is a good stroke maker and has good temperament.

Or maybe, seeing how he is improving on his bowling, just get rid of one of spinners and play him as a bowling allrounder? Dont tell me he is not capable of bowling 10 tidy overs or getting a wicket or 2.

If there was a scenario where our no. 5, 6 are consistent, our bowling attack is as good as sealed, than it would make total sense to drop him and search for consistency for that one slot. When everyone is being inconsistent, is it fair to keep dropping one guy specially when that one slot still does not have a replacement?

Gowza · #**1803** February 23, 2014, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rinathq
Is this the first time he is dropped? Did they manage to find any replacement for him? Did he not come back everytime after getting dropped with satisfactory comebacks in domestics?

What does this tell you? There is something wrong with the way they are handling him. Maybe he needs to bat up and not in a position where either the team is in collapse or he needs to go after every single delivery? Yes he should be able to do both, but if we think players like Shakib and Nasir can do it better than him, than why dont they switch spots? Nasir played down the order and did fantastic, Shakib has become a batsman who loves going after everything.... so why are they being sent up the order ahead of someone who is not as good? But doesnt mean he should be dropped because as you say it, he has the talent... he is a good stroke maker and has good temperament.

Or maybe, seeing how he is improving on his bowling, just get rid of one of spinners and play him as a bowling allrounder? Dont tell me he is not capable of bowling 10 tidy overs or getting a wicket or 2.

If there was a scenario where our no. 5, 6 are consistent, our bowling attack is as good as sealed, than it would make total sense to drop him and search for consistency for that one slot. When everyone is being inconsistent, is it fair to keep dropping one guy specially when that one slot still does not have a replacement?

of course where riyad currently bats is not a suitable role for him, i've never questioned that, the problem lies in that there isn't a place for riyad up the order, he could have been given more chances in the #3 spot and at various times other spots but the way i see it now shamsur has secured the 2nd opener spot for awhile, mominul did quite reasonably this series so has probably secured the #3 spot for a little while, and the 4,5 and 6 positions are taken by mushy, shakib and nasir with naeem being the back-up middle order bat deservedly so due to his results on the NZ tour. where else can riyad bat? it's either #7 or no where. he wasn't willing to bat higher up in tests and when he did he failed so for all we know he was offered to bat higher in ODIs and refused.

dropping gazi and playing riyad as a bowler, possibility but razzak should slot straight back in when he's fit if there is another spinner spot up for grabs. who are you going to pick as a bowler in ODIs? razzak or riyad? riyad has proven he can bowl tidy and take wickets at times (not consistently) but given an average of 42.18 with no 5fers and no 4fers in 96 matches (86 bowling innings) do we really need to debate whether he should be picked as a bowler? he'd have to improve his bowling to be picked ahead of one of the other spinners imo, and that's the thing he's not better at current therefore shouldn't get in ahead of them. if he works on his bowling and becomes better then great, but that will take time he won't just be better tomorrow all of a sudden, plus he's been around the team and bowling for the team for so long what's to say he will improve his bowling that much? surely we should have seen it by now if he was going to.

the reason riyad doesn't bat higher up is because all the others that are batting higher than him are better than him, and the reason he isn't one of the main bowlers every match is because the other bowlers are better than him. it's not that he's not talented, it's that there are too many others that are better than him which is why he has been batting in the #7 spot and been an on and off front line to part time bowler.

the truth of it is riyad needs to improve either his batting or his bowling, or both to compete for a more suitable spot for himself. or he needs to work on what is required for his current #7 batting role.

**Zunaid** · #**1804** February 23, 2014, 03:06 AM

^ Now that's nicely put by Gowza. He needs to move his batting or bowling up one notch to claw back in the team.

Jadukor · #**1805** February 23, 2014, 07:02 AM

gowza put it very kindly and logically excluding the sissy factor that comes with the ryad package.

**Zunaid** · #**1806** February 23, 2014, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
gowza put it very kindly and logically excluding the sissy factor that comes with the ryad package.

That's not unique to Ryad. That's in the team DNA.

Sohel · #**1807** February 23, 2014, 08:09 AM

It's simply not possible to win Asia Cup without Riyad. It is way to early for the Riyad Era to come to an end. He's never responsible for his bad form but his haters on and off the pitch are. No doubt Alok Kapali's also working some voodoo there.

mufi_02 · #**1808** March 3, 2014, 03:58 PM

Guess who is back in the team today...You can never keep him out of the action.

Fazal · #**1809** March 3, 2014, 04:05 PM

The new Ashraful saga... and his nine lifes...now instead of Ash its Ryiad..

While ashraful had enormous talent as an excuse, Riyad has his Bhaira as his advantage.

Lets see how long he can survive and how low the captain goes to save him...

weekyd · #**1810** March 3, 2014, 04:25 PM

He's in the team because Gazi is injured. He will probably be included in the T20 WC if Gazi doesn't recover in time. Both are decent players when they are in form. Right now pretty much every one is a target for bashing may be except for Zia because he played like a tiger in the last match. Next match Zia will not escape either.

Fazal · #**1811** March 3, 2014, 04:29 PM

Riyad is a sissy. There should be no room for him in T20. He should not be allowed to come witin 100 yards of the t20 team.

Riyad is No Gazi. Even with their best forms, they are comeplete opposite. gazi in his best is a strike bowler and agressive lower end batsman. On the other hand Riyad is a utility part time bowler concentrate mainlky in defencive bowling. he is a lousey low end batsman. When gazi bats, he care less about his stat, while Riyad is a selfish batsman, doesn;t care must about team's immediate need.

simon · #**1812** March 3, 2014, 04:58 PM

ekmatro Ryad i parey amader uddhar kortey, amader ke ekti joy upohar ditey.

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simon · #**1813** March 16, 2014, 04:15 PM

Ryad has been bowling really well, with Raz and Gazi in poor form Ryad's good bowling form is a great thing for us.

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shuziburo · #**1814** March 16, 2014, 06:04 PM

I am worried that he bowled well today. This will guarantee his place in the team for the rest of the Cup.

MohammedC · #**1815** March 16, 2014, 06:06 PM

Riyad surprised me today with bowling and fielding. Both catch he took was difficult. First catch he took he nearly collided with Reza.

MHRAM · #**1816** March 16, 2014, 09:10 PM

I think he was excellent today in the field. Took catches and bowled economically which Gazi has completey forgotten.

I am not a big fan of his batting though. But I think Riyad will be crucial in our T20-WC outing. He allows us to play with 8 batsman who can wield the bat pretty well and yet plenty of bowling options. Having 2 proper allrounders in the side always helps. Although preferrably, i would have liked to see Zia though his fielding is not well suited this format. Reza Kallis is ordinary but not his fielding, probably the only thing he is good at

jeesh · #**1817** March 16, 2014, 11:42 PM

His bowling has improved significantly. Giving the ball a lot more air. Added carrom ball to his repertoire. Probably has realized his way into this side is as an off spinning all rounder.

Jadukor · #**1818** March 17, 2014, 12:07 AM

Did anyone notice his carom ball? That was brilliantly done. If he perfects that delivery than he can become a wicket taking option

Duck · #**1819** March 17, 2014, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
Did anyone notice his carom ball? That was brilliantly done. If he perfects that delivery than he can become a wicket taking option

I think he mastered it long time ago.........when he brilliantly delivered his first carom ball "family ties" to captain Mushi. Fortunately/Unfortunately he will be a permanent feature for the BD team! Sighhh!

Rana Melb · #**1820** March 17, 2014, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
Did anyone notice his carom ball? That was brilliantly done. If he perfects that delivery than he can become a wicket taking option

Yes, wasim akram picked that up straight away from the commentary box.

naim519 · #**1821** March 17, 2014, 01:55 AM

inshaallah more caram balls to come against the Nepalese batsmen

WarWolf · #**1822** March 17, 2014, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shuziburo
I am worried that he bowled well today. This will guarantee his place in the team for the rest of the Cup.

If he can keep his position in the team as a bowler, I won't mind. If he has to be in the team, he has to earn it.

shuziburo · #**1823** March 17, 2014, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WarWolf
If he can keep his position in the team as a bowler, I won't mind. If he has to be in the team, he has to earn it.

Don't expect the Aussie model in the BD team.

jeesh · #**1824** March 17, 2014, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
Did anyone notice his carom ball? That was brilliantly done. If he perfects that delivery than he can become a wicket taking option

There were a few carrom balls. There was a delay ball. Then he suddenly changes action for a quicker delivery. Also is getting more turn, a lot more than Gazi

cricket_king · #**1825** March 17, 2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jeesh
There were a few carrom balls. There was a delay ball. Then he suddenly changes action for a quicker delivery. Also is getting more turn, a lot more than Gazi

That was surely due to the pitch.