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Old May 23, 2007, 07:55 AM
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Default Our fast bowling stocks beyond the obvious 3

It's been so long since Mortaza had an extended injury lay-off that I was starting to forget the hopelessness that his absence used to bring on.

But say we were playing at a place like Perth where 3 pace bowlers are still a must, and we did happen to lose Mortaza to injury for the match, who would we turn to as the 3rd paceman behind Rajib and Rasel?

I really hope no one will suggest Baiysa because the thought of us having to rely on him still fills me up with dread. He seems to have learned how to bowl 5km faster than before, but still suffers from a complete inability to control his line and length. I remember a commentator pointing out during the Natwest series how he just seems to put the ball there and hope it lands in the right area. Nothing much has changed on that front.

I can't comment with too much authority on Talha Jubair and Mohammed Sharif because I haven't seen either of them bowl for years. However, I have to say that due to injury, their recent stats aren't too impressive. Furthermore, Talha has very rarely returned 3 or 4 wicket performances in his entire List A career.

But stats only tell half the story so I'll defer to the judgement of people who've actually seen them in the flesh in recent years.

But based on statistics alone, my suggestion is Mohammed Shahzada. Check out these numbers:

Season BallsMdnsRunsWktsBBAve5wI10wM
2003-04(Bangladesh)137455622284-6422.21 00
2004-05(Bangladesh)113351488244-4320.33 00
2004-05(India)1022920
2005-06(Bangladesh)79535382145-8127.28 10
2006-07(Bangladesh)151264676447-9515.36 31

His stats from last season are phenomonal. That's 44 wickets at an average of 15 from just 8 matches on slow Bangladeshi pitches. Even Mortaza would struggle to produce a return like that. Insanely good numbers.

Also here's a couple of 18 year olds who are obviously too young to play for the Test team, but could eventually become regulars a few years down the track.

Dolar Mahmud

Season BallsMdnsRunsWktsBBAve5wI10wM
2004-05(Bangladesh)80525438153-4629.20 00
2006-07(Bangladesh)72329384175-4422.58 10

Dolar is still only 18 so it's far too early to tell. It's safe to say he's not quite ready for Test cricket yet though.

The other player that interested me was Mohammed Azim.

Mohammed Azim

BallsMdnsRunsWktsBBAve5wI10wMSRateEcon
Overall54828275135-5421.15 1042.15 3.01

That's 12 wickets in 3 matches and a wicket every 42 balls. From what I understand, he might be going to the next U/19s World Cup and he's already bowling 80mph and above. Obviously won't be figuring in the Test team any time soon though.

I'll be interested to hear people's suggestions.

I'd also really, really appreciate it if anyone who's seen Shahzada, Dolar or Azim could comment on what sort of bowlers they are in terms of style and pace.

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Old May 23, 2007, 08:27 AM
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No way Baisya again. he aint a gr8 bowelr. He is not tall enuff to intimidate batsman. i noe height is not evrything but sometimes it is.
nw ppl will strt talking bout Malcom Marshal who ws shrt but guys he was an exception.
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Old May 23, 2007, 08:28 AM
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Rakibul and some former guys talked bout Dollar being a gud bowler but then he aint a as much fast as mash or rajib. not so tall either.
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Old May 23, 2007, 08:31 AM
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No way Baisya again. he aint a gr8 bowelr. He is not tall enuff to intimidate batsman. i noe height is not evrything but sometimes it is.
nw ppl will strt talking bout Malcom Marshal who ws shrt but guys he was an exception.
I'm pretty sure Marshall was actually 5'10, so he was far from short at any rate.

Regardless, it's not Baisya's height that's the problem. It's everything else.
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Old May 23, 2007, 08:33 AM
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whats about mohammadullah. He was outstanding with the development team recently.
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Old May 23, 2007, 08:37 AM
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Mahmudullah:

BowlingBallsMdnsRunsWktsBBAve5wI10wM
Bangladesh A in Sri Lanka 2006/07270117011-42170.00 00
Bangladesh A in Sri Lanka 2006/076015022-2825.00 00
England A in Bangladesh 2006/076002733-279.00 00
Ispahani Mirzapore Tea National Cricket League 2006/07279814553-2229.00 00

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Old May 23, 2007, 08:43 AM
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Shahzada is kinda short. I saw his picture once in DS and I think he is about 5'5 or 5'6 at best. He is not really that quick either.
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Old May 23, 2007, 08:49 AM
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Mahmudullah's Academy team performances vs Sri Lanka

First Match



Bowling O M R W Econ

Nazmul Hossain 16 4 39 1 2.43

Kamrul Islam 14 4 42 0 3.00

Enamul Haque jnr 35 4 98 1 2.80 (4nb)

Mahmudullah 37 11 68 5 1.83

Mehrab Hossain jnr 29 6 79 1 2.72

Nadif Chowdhury 4 0 17 0 4.25 (3w)

Second Match:


Bowling O M R W Econ

Nazmul Hossain 13.5 4 34 3 2.45

Mahbubul Alam 19 5 53 3 2.78 (1nb)

Ziaur Rahman 11 4 39 0 3.54 (1nb, 1w)

Nadif Chowdhury 2 0 21 0 10.50 (2w)

Mahmudullah 23 6 61 3 2.65

Enamul Haque jnr 19 5 55 1 2.89 (1nb)

Mehrab Hossain jnr 5 2 10 0 2.00

2nd Innings:

Bowling O M R W Econ

Nazmul Hossain 9 1 35 0 3.88

Mahbubul Alam 12 3 48 0 4.00 (2nb)

Ziaur Rahman 4 0 18 0 4.50

Mahmudullah 39 10 110 2 2.82 (1w)

Enamul Haque jnr 30 9 93 2 3.10 (3nb)

Mehrab Hossain jnr 29 5 81 0 2.79

Raqibul Hasan 1 0 3 0 3.00

That's 10 wickets in 3 innings. Did nothing in the one-dayers though.
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Old May 23, 2007, 09:05 AM
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Mahmudullah is bowling too many overs. Is he a fast bowler?
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Old May 23, 2007, 09:07 AM
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It says 'medium-fast' on CricInfo.

I thought he was an off-spinner myself.
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Old May 23, 2007, 09:15 AM
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if tapash can keep his head screwed on straight and stop spraying around at all the wrong moments, he's not a bad medium pacer at all. other's have this particular issue to contend with also by the way... plus his handiness with the bat still make him a pretty good option. he also has youth on his side. having said that, dollar, shahjada, talha, najmul and shafaq won't make it easy for him in the time to come. good for us!!!
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Old May 23, 2007, 09:23 AM
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if tapash can keep his head screwed on straight and stop spraying around at all the wrong moments, he's not a bad medium pacer at all. other's have this particular issue to contend with also by the way...
So basically, if he can stop being rubbish he can be good eh?

I'm also completely opposed to any line of thinking that takes batting into consideration when choosing a bowler. England persisted with Ashley Giles over Panesar on this basis. It's nice to have late order runs as a nice bonus, but it shouldn't be a consideration.
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Old May 23, 2007, 09:26 AM
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I am more interested to see how Mahbubul Alam Robin turns out to be. I think he is quite a promising fast bowling prospect.
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So basically, if he can stop being rubbish he can be good eh?
yep...
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I am more interested to see how Mahbubul Alam Robin turns out to be. I think he is quite a promising fast bowling prospect.
McInnes seemed to be of the opinion that he's capable of swinging it both ways. Anyone know anything about him re: pace, build, bounce?

Season 2006/07

BowlingBallsMdnsRunsWktsBBAve5wI10wM
Ispahani Mirzapore Tea National Cricket League 2006/077112633393-5437.00 00
Ispahani Mirzapore Tea National Cricket League One-Day 2006/07118011843-3629.50 00

9 wickets in 5 matches at an average of 37 and a strike rate of 80. Hmmm.
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I am more interested to see how Mahbubul Alam Robin turns out to be. I think he is quite a promising fast bowling prospect.
interesting, can you elaborate?...
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Good thread guys..
we do certainly need to look beyond the "3" we have at the moment...
and yes.. a big NO NO to Taposh...

few names mentioned here looks promising on papers..
see how they fair up in time...
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Default Fast Bowling Options

The Next 2 bowling options Next Mash, Rajib, Rasel.........

#1 Dollar Mahmud
#2 Shafak Al Jabir(6'3/6'4...great height)

Spin Option after Rafiq retires-
Nadif Chowdhury (Great batsman too)
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It says 'medium-fast' on CricInfo.

I thought he was an off-spinner myself.
Since the BD teams desperately needs an off-spinner, may be Mahmudallah changed his bowling action! He excellent potential to be part of our team.
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Old May 23, 2007, 10:41 AM
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The Next 2 bowling options Next Mash, Rajib, Rasel.........

#1 Dollar Mahmud
#2 Shafak Al Jabir(6'3/6'4...great height)

Spin Option after Rafiq retires-
Nadif Chowdhury (Great batsman too)
Hasn't Nadif basically been converted into a batsman who bowls?

Also I rarely seem to hear anyone talk about Suhrawardi Shuvo, but his first class numbers are great, especially for such a young spinner.

Suhrawardi Shuvo:


BallsMdnsRunsWktsBBAve5wI10wMSRateEcon
Overall26001021184546-11221.92 5048.14 2.73

54 wickets in 12 matches at 22, with a wicket every 48 balls.
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The Next 2 bowling options Next Mash, Rajib, Rasel.........

#1 Dollar Mahmud
#2 Shafak Al Jabir(6'3/6'4...great height)

Spin Option after Rafiq retires-
Nadif Chowdhury (Great batsman too)
dollar and shahjada should get their ODI debuts against lesser teams like zimbabwe, kenya, ireland and the other associate countries ASAP.

shafaq needs to learn to use his height better, vary his angles, and start generating more pace the way he's expected to as a tall fast bowler... and not spray as much when he starts generaing around the 135s ... i'll give him a couple of more years in domestic cricket, U-23 and BD-A.

nadif's somewhat technically sound, better than HaBa anyday...
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These bowlers need to play lot more to get mature before getting into national team.
It's unfortunate that we lost pacers stock who could serve in national team as a back up or emergency need and also can perform in international level (Talha,Tareq,Manjurul, Sharif, and recently Tapash). All of them became so ineffective in international level. Not sure among A team/academy team any notable bowlers improving enough to fill the position if required.

Last time heard Kamrul, Dollar, Shahjada were doing good but they really don't look that aggresive (physically and mental aggression missing, I know Malcom was exceptional, but we are not Malcoms)Unfortunately Talha, Shafaq played few according to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Also I rarely seem to hear anyone talk about Suhrawardi Shuvo, but his first class numbers are great, especially for such a young spinner.

Suhrawardi Shuvo:



BallsMdnsRunsWktsBBAve5wI10wMSRateEcon
Overall26001021184546-11221.92 5048.14 2.73

54 wickets in 12 matches at 22, with a wicket every 48 balls.
If I am not mistaken, Shuvo is going to Australia this summer for the training in Australian Academy.
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These bowlers need to play lot more to get mature before getting into national team.
It's unfortunate that we lost pacers stock who could serve in national team as a back up or emergency need and also can perform in international level (Talha,Tareq,Manjurul, Sharif, and recently Tapash). All of them became so ineffective in international level. Not sure among A team/academy team any notable bowlers improving enough to fill the position if required.

Last time heard Kamrul, Dollar, Shahjada were doing good but they really don't look that aggresive (physically and mental aggression missing, I know Malcom was exceptional, but we are not Malcoms)Unfortunately Talha, Shafaq played few according to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong.
Why have we 'lost' Sharif and Talha?

They were thrust in when they weren't ready. Presumably they eventually will be ready and we can try them again.
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interesting, can you elaborate?...
Again, I am not sure but if I am not mistaken, Robin was one of the find from the very first pacer hunt. The Watcher bhai can verify the information. Whenever he was given a chance with the academy team or A team, he seemed to pick up some wickets. A good prospect but definitely need more time to mature and get better before a national team callup.
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