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Cloned meat? Boy am I behind on the news these days. I didnt know we made any headway into cloning animals after that sheep - I think it was named "Dolly" - died sooner than people expected...
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Here are few latest links:
http://science.slashdot.org/article..../01/16/0023213
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2...nt-ask-do.html
Here is the link from NBC. I heard the news this morning in Robin Meade's at CNN.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/15057738/detail.html
As they are not planning to label the items, one will not be able to differentiate by looking - even there may be some difference in taste depends how subtle it would be to discourage the consumers. Another worry is what will happen to the fast food chains? Will they welcome such meat in their burgers, sandwiches, hotdogs etc.?
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Originally Posted by One World
BTW Here is my question:
FDA today approved Cloned cows, pigs, lambs etc. as edible so now meat of cloned animals will be available in the market. I am just curious what if a cloned cow be halal? Can one sacrifice a cloned camel or goat during Eidul Adha?
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Watched this news in CBC, first news in the National.
I have the same question as One world bhai.....anyone??
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January 16, 2008, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Nocturnal
Watched this news in CBC, first news in the National.
I have the same question as One world bhai.....anyone??
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I think it should be Halal. If a surrogate child can have a religion and is also bound by his religious laws, then a cloned cow can be korbanied.
Shaad can explain this much better and in greater details but I can give a summary, which will clear up why I feel cloned meat is halal. Usually when people think of "cloned animal", they think the animal will come out of no where and start to taboo the practice. People need to revisit the basic laws of thermodynamics
Anyways, the idea is that since all our cells have complete DNA, they contain the code to make up a whole organism. Cloning is done when an undifferentiated cell is inserted into an EMPTY EGG cell (this is the key here, you need the egg but the egg's dna is taken out), and then it is probably electric shocked, so it can start to divide. And then the whole thing is implanted into the animal for development of the embryo.
So in MORE SIMPLER terms, you are giving an "unnatural" birth to an animal, much like a surrogate birth. That's is the ONLY difference.
Also cloning is expensive and efficiency is not that high. So, it will take some time before you get your cloned meat Now you maybe asking why the hell would you go through all that trouble if you can just get two cows to do it in the backyard... I got the same question baby ?
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January 16, 2008, 02:04 AM
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btw if any Hujur ever says cloned meat is haram, go upto him and tell him that you have a surrogate mother. Then ask him if that makes you any less Human/Muslim/@ssh*** trying to mess up the guy's khudba?
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January 16, 2008, 12:28 PM
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anyone heard the bangla folk song, "Ami tin din tor bairi gelam daka pailam na?" i heard it on zee bangla by this little girl on saregama for children and now its in my head. any good bangla music download sites?
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January 16, 2008, 12:31 PM
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thats by runa laila. try polapain.com
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January 16, 2008, 12:47 PM
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cheers akabir bro!
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January 16, 2008, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bengaliprince176
anyone heard the bangla folk song, "Ami tin din tor bairi gelam daka pailam na?" i heard it on zee bangla by this little girl on saregama for children and now its in my head. any good bangla music download sites?
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The song is by our famous singer Runa Laila.
It was a mega hit during the 80's 90's.
oooppsss.. i see Kabir bhai beating me to that.
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January 16, 2008, 01:39 PM
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The song is by our famous singer Runa Laila.
It was a mega hit during the 80's 90's.
oooppsss.. i see Kabir bhai beating me to that.
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lol 80s/90s? o just a little late i am lol....sadly the website doesnt have the song or i cannot find it, so i have requested it.
but if u wanna find bangla songs, try the website akabir suggested they got loads of songs!!
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January 16, 2008, 02:11 PM
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try right clicking on that web site...
opps never mind looks like they removed it...
it used to say THAPPOR KHABI when you right click there
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January 16, 2008, 02:27 PM
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it used to say THAPPOR KHABI when you right click there
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General question:
Is this a violation of Jacob Neilsen's 10 usability heuristics?
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January 16, 2008, 02:37 PM
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Creative minds.
1. site's name is polapain.com
2. right click and you get "Thappor khabi".
I hate to try to click on any links there. Just imagining the possibilities gives me a shiver.
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January 16, 2008, 07:13 PM
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Also cloning is expensive and efficiency is not that high. So, it will take some time before you get your cloned meat Now you maybe asking why the hell would you go through all that trouble if you can just get two cows to do it in the backyard... I got the same question baby ?
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I think the summary Orpheus provided upstream addresses the issue quite thoroughly. While I am certainly not qualified to declare what should be considered halal or not by Islamic dictates, I personally see no reason why cloned cattle, for instance, should not be considered halal. They are, after all, as Orpheus points out, simply cattle.
I think halal-ness will be more of an issue if the flesh of transgenic animals (e.g. cows containing genes of some other animal) becomes readily available in the meat markets.
Now, to answer Orphy's question: these cloned animals generally cost about $20,000 each. So it's unlikely that you will see the meat of the cloned animals in the market. What they will primarily be used for is creating new herds. Say, for instance, that by selective breeding you have produced a bull that is simply marvelous (by whatever meat-selling criteria you choose to use). The semen of these prize bulls is always in demand, to produce offspring that are somewhat similar to the father. And if you start creating a herd with these calves (which are somewhat similar, but not identical to the prize bull), the final herd will end up being even less similar to the original prize bull. But by using say, clones of the prize bull, you can go one better, starting your herd with relatively identical calves, and ending up with one consisting of animals much more similar to the original prize bull.
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January 17, 2008, 01:45 PM
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Why do people say ATM Machine and PIN Number and NIC Card?
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January 17, 2008, 01:51 PM
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Why do people say ATM Machine and PIN Number and NIC Card?
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The same reason they say RazabQ Quasem.
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January 17, 2008, 11:31 PM
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The same reason they say RazabQ Quasem.
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Only you say that Fazil. It's more like "thanda Cold drinks" or "Tin double". That is an interesting question, I am guessing it has more to do with the acronym sound than anything else. ATM or NIC or PIN can stand for or mean other things beside your intended use. For example, suppose a girl is wearing a safety pin in her dress, and a bank teller asks "Give me your PIN". Does she take the pin off of her blouse and hand it to the teller or does she give the her identification number. It's very vague.
Same goes for ATM, how do you know we are not talking about Asif The Man. "Man that effing ATM is messed up"... is ASif messed up?
"Give me your PIN number" - telling you what the last N stand for, so you know which PIN they are asking for
"ATM machine" - again ends with machine, so it's not Asif the man but may be @ss tickling machine
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January 18, 2008, 09:34 PM
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lol 80s/90s? o just a little late i am lol....sadly the website doesnt have the song or i cannot find it, so i have requested it.
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I put the song up as a downloadable MP3 on my webpage for those of you who might want it. Enjoy.
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January 19, 2008, 08:05 AM
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ahhh!! excellent shaad!!! thanks very much!! that was a lot easier to download!! many thanks once again!
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January 21, 2008, 11:58 AM
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i'm just wondering whatever happened to the weekly BC column by dizzy????
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May be his ideas evaporated.
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January 22, 2008, 05:25 PM
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Why did the Chakma insurgents adopt the name "Shanti Bahini"? I did the requisite search but could not find why the Jumm guerrillas would adopt a moniker of peace ...
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January 22, 2008, 05:31 PM
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So you are saying "Au-Shanti Bahini" makes more sense?
I think there was someone in that group (who made the name) who had a sense of humor, basically saying they will make sure all shanti will be gone.
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January 22, 2008, 10:07 PM
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If you put it in their perspective, then the naming would make lot more sense. The tribal mountain people bear the common concept of being the peaceful and quiet community anywhere in the world. Our hill-tract guys will get the credit for being that imaginative in that case.
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January 24, 2008, 06:48 AM
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okay,i have one question,can anyone tell me whether buying a guitar in bd is better or buying it in canada ?,i need that info,i am not talking about the price i am talking about the varities of guitars and also the quality,someone help me out!
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January 24, 2008, 09:02 AM
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If its Guitar, then I guess better choice will be in Canada. But on the other hnad if its Setar, then definitely its in Dhaka.
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