Following Bangladesh through graphs

[Arnab]

Here's how it works. I will try to provide various BD cricket related performance graphs (I like doing these), you arrive at your own conclusion. You can also request new graphs or suggest on how to improve new ones. I will try to oblige, but cannot guarantee to do everything.

Without furter ado, here's the first batch.

Oct 05, 2005:

01: Number of overs Bangladesh test team played in their 1st batting innings. These could be either the 1st (Bangladesh batted first) or the 2nd innings (Bangladesh batted second) of the entire match. The black line denotes a moving average of 5 innings.


02: Number of runs Bangladesh test team scored in the innings specified above. The black line denotes a moving average of 5 innings.



03: Runs scored per over in the innings specified above. The black line denotes a moving average of 5 innings.

[Rubu]

nice sinosoidal waves. whats the dc offset?

[Tigers_eye]

The only positive trend I see from these graphs are the ran-rate. That it troubling. It meens we are playing test cricket more and more as ODI cricket. We are not learning how to play test cricket.

Thank you very much Arnab.

Request: Add the 2 innings, and total match info in the same graphs with diff color and diff moving avg if possible.

Edited on, October 4, 2005, 6:32 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

[Hegar]

We seem to score more runs when the run rate is lower

[jabbar]

Originally posted by Rubu
nice sinosoidal waves. whats the dc offset?

Ha ha ha! I noticed that to. Typical BD batting - get a good score, then rest on your laurels, then get another boot up the bum from media and ICC and get a good score, rest on your laurels, etc......

[jabbar]

Good one Arnab Finally a meaningful and inciteful post

[Arnab]

Oct 05, 2005:

04: Number of overs Bangladesh test team played in their 2nd batting innings. These could be either the 3rd (Bangladesh batted first) or the 4th innings (Bangladesh batted second) of the entire match. The black line denotes a moving average of 10 innings.


05: Number of runs Bangladesh test team scored in the innings specified above. The black line denotes a moving average of 10 innings.



06: Runs scored per over in the innings specified above. The black line denotes a moving average of 10 innings.

[Arnab]

Originally posted by Rubu
nice sinosoidal waves. whats the dc offset?

Technically, these are not sinusoidal waves because the x-axis units are not equally spaced time indices. The graph cannot imply any periodic function.

Edited on, October 5, 2005, 2:05 PM GMT, by Arnab.

[chinaman]

Looks more like fan's heart beat than anything else, even the cry just before the death is visible.

On a serious note, the apperant undulating pattern reminds me of the celestial bodies that orbit years after years but can not get out of it, just as the KutuChand from the village would say, "Dhaan khaiso moorgi, jaiba koi?"

We desperately need to break the circle once and for all. We know we will, but when?

[rudro]

Originally posted by chinaman
Looks more like fan's heart beat than anything else, even the cry just before the death is visible.

Can't think of any better description than yours! Excellent!

Originally posted by chinamanWe desperately need to break the circle once and for all. We know we will, but when?

We will? Yes, we will. I hope I can see it in my lifetime.

[Ahmed_B]

Great Graphs Arnab! Those say the same true pathetic story about BD's performance and that is ..... INCONSISTANCY!!

I just borrowed Arnab's graphs and superiimposed two of them (of runs scored) to find a comparison between runs scored by BD team in 1st & 2nd Innings in tests. Its very pathetic to see that whenever BD scored considerably high runs 1st innings... they scored a 'considerably low' total in their 2nd Innings!!




Edited on, October 5, 2005, 6:46 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.
Reason: fixed image link

[Sorry]

an introductory tuition to graphs could have been helpful for fans like me (iliterate and ignorant).

this only reminds me about the ECG reading when i was hospitalised for heart palpitation after watching bd lost to pak in the test for 1 wicket during the pak tour..

[jabbar]

Originally posted by Ahmed_B
Great Graphs Arnab! Those say the same true pathetic story about BD's performance and that is ..... INCONSISTANCY!!

I just borrowed Arnab's graphs and superiimposed two of them (of runs scored) to find a comparison between runs scored by BD team in 1st & 2nd Innings in tests. Its very pathetic to see that whenever BD scored considerably high runs 1st innings... they scored a 'considerably low' total in their 2nd Innings!!




Edited on, October 5, 2005, 6:46 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.
Reason: fixed image link

It appears you don't know much about cricket, do you...
Second innings totals are always lower than the 1st innings. This is caused by the deteriorating pitch, declarations and lower scores to chase. It does happen, but not as much as the 1st innings total > 2nd innings total.

[CricTiger]

Originally posted by Ahmed_B
Great Graphs Arnab! Those say the same true pathetic story about BD's performance and that is ..... INCONSISTANCY!!

I just borrowed Arnab's graphs and superiimposed two of them (of runs scored) to find a comparison between runs scored by BD team in 1st & 2nd Innings in tests. Its very pathetic to see that whenever BD scored considerably high runs 1st innings... they scored a 'considerably low' total in their 2nd Innings!!




Edited on, October 5, 2005, 6:46 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.
Reason: fixed image link

Very Nice.Good to see these graphes.It's really helping us understanding BD.
Is it possoble to tell us what is the avg for Ist and 2nd innings . Is it 200 vs 150 or in that neighborhood.?It's a wld guess from my side.

[Mahmood]

Originally posted by chinaman
Looks more like fan's heart beat than anything else, even the cry just before the death is visible.

Typical Doctor!

A doctor went to an art exhibition. Everyone is cheking out the first prize winner one, named sorrow. It a painting of a dead person and all his relatives crying around him. The doctor finally goes to see this painting. One of his friends comes up to him and asks him what he thinks it. His reply, "This guy died of Jaundice, his eyes look yellow to me."

[abherath]

Excellent work by Arnab.

[Ahmed_B]

Originally posted by jabbar

It appears you don't know much about cricket, do you...
Second innings totals are always lower than the 1st innings. This is caused by the deteriorating pitch, declarations and lower scores to chase. It does happen, but not as much as the 1st innings total > 2nd innings total.

umm... yea u r right! :P
After all... I have been following cricket for some 17 days now(don't get confused by my registration date on this site..I was just practicing Typing!). So it's natural that I almost know nothing!
Thanks a lot for the valuable information about 1st innings score being bigger than 2nd innings!

BTW Jabbar miah!....
I was actually referring to the very few instances when BD scored 350-450+ (Only 4 times) in 1st Innings. In most of the cases... BD's 2nd Innings scores are poor. Here are the matches:

I Bat R/W Ov TAR R Match
1 BD 400 153.3 - L Only Test v Ind in BD 2000/01 at Dhaka [1512]
2 Ind 429 141.3 - W
3 BD 91 46.3 - L
4 Ind 64/1 15 63 W
1 BD 361 137.5 - L 2nd Test v Pak in Pak 2003 at Peshawar [1657]
2 Pak 295 108.1 - W
3 BD 96 33.5 - L
4 Pak 165/1 47.3 163 W
1 BD 416 135.3 - D 1st Test v WI in WI 2004 at Gros Islet [1701]
2 WI 352 116.4 - D
3 BD 271/9d 105.2 - D
4 WI 113/0 23 336 D
1 BD 488 149.3 - W 1st Test v Zim in BD 2004/05 at Chittagong [1733]
2 Zim 312 131.4 - L
3 BD 204/9d 51.1 - W
4 Zim 154 64.2 381 L



Edited on, October 6, 2005, 1:52 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally posted by Cats_eye

Hmm, let me think how many times BD declared in the second innings???
Again let me think how many times BD had lower scores to chase???
I can only find one instance (win over Zim).

Must be the deteriorating pitch. Well a test pitch deteriorates on the 4th day or the fifth day. Hmm! how many games we played 4th day or fifth day?
I guess I belong to the same group Ahmed_B. don't know much about cricket either.

I rest my case.

[Fazal]

Originally posted by Cats_eye
I rest my case.

And the winner is ........


btw good "food for thought logic" by jabbar and great counter logic by Cats_eye

And it all started because of two A's (Arnab and Admed_B).




Edited on, October 6, 2005, 4:45 PM GMT, by Fazal.

[pagol-chagol]

BD has played only 3 tests where they have scored more than 250 runs in both innings. 2 of those were really early. Only 1 in the last few years. Actually none in the last 20 or so tests. Thats pathetic.

[Tigers_eye]

When the moving average is above the curve it only spells "trouble". That means we are deteriorating or going down the tubes. In the 2nd innings, all of the graphs end like that. But I also see a decrease in the run-rate in the second innings (comparing with the 1st innings rate) in recent times. That tells me, our boys tried to rectify/restrain their aggresive/erratic shots somewhat. This is a good sign.

[Dhakablues]

From taking advancced stat class during my graduate school,,,, the graph shows one thing, which is .....

[Fazal]

Originally posted by Dhakablues
the graph shows one thing, which is .....

... we are stuck to below 200 mark for a while.

[James90]

Can someone please compare Bangladesh and Bradman?

[Tigers_eye]

That hurts james90. Why put salt on wound. Bradman's (who was not a human, he was an alien - those of you who don't know) stats stacks up fairly well against the entire Bangladesh team. He has scored 117 centuries in 1st class matches. I don't think combined our team has 17. In test, he scored 29 centuries bd team has I should not say it...

Cricinfo don't have the stats how many balls Bradman faced. But I am guessing with a test average of 99.94 he faced 200 balls minimum. In those days cricket was slow paced. I am giving him a 50% striking rate which even in today’s standard good striking rate in test. In real life he may have faced more balls. Add another 150 balls for the other batsman/men on the other end. That gives at least 350 balls. Equates to 60 overs minimum may be more. So he stayed in between the crease from 60 - 75 overs average.

From the above graphs, BD team for the 1st innings looks like played little less than 80 overs (naked eye observation). 2nd innings they played close to 65 overs. Over all they batted close to 72-73 overs per innings (again naked eye observation).

So that’s the comparison with Sir Donald George Bradman (played 1928-1948).