Habibul Bashar as captain - Page 2

Ahmed_B · #26 September 25, 2005, 12:18 PM

No doubt Bashar is not the best type of captain. But the problem for BD reamains the same... and that is the absence of any other choice.

ejaj_a · #27 September 25, 2005, 12:25 PM

TeamManager,

I think if other players can even put up that 80% without motivational 20% would be able to provide good fight as a team. But I am afraid that is not the case, other players can't even perform about 50% out of their potential. I can't see what Habibul can do in this scenerio.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #28 September 25, 2005, 02:37 PM

bashar has the dual responsibility of leading a bunch of useless sportsmen and play the role of the best batsman (by miles) in the team. if we do have to bash anyone, it'd make more sense to bash all those losers who underperform rather than the guy who is so popular in the team as a leader AND does most of the scoring for us.

Mahir · #29 September 25, 2005, 11:16 PM

shahriar nafees might be the captain of the future, but not for the present! If you called for bringing Bulbul back, that would've been a better suggestion, I guess! Look mate, I for one is tired of this bashing of our captain after every series. Whats so hard in understanding this simple fact that Bashar is the best choice available now. There's not even a second option here.

GuruTM · #30 September 25, 2005, 11:31 PM

I have nothing against Batsman and human Bashar.
I just only wish if he could improve his captaincy skills.
Otherwise he is a good enough person to let others do the job.

Ahmed_B · #31 September 26, 2005, 05:59 AM

TM,
Bashar has wekness with his ability to create pressure on the opposition.... but there is one very good thing in him. And that is the ability to appriciate his boys when they do well and also the ability to realize the team's problems and criticize their performance. He has good supportive relation with everyone and that is probably what makes him very well-accepted in the team. His batting performance often leads from the front (at times he does well). His team-management is probably much better than what we often realize to be. His weakness is probably the lack of aggression in his attitude.. and that is his real weakness.

Remember his supportive innings with Ashraful? That one really was quite vital and that partnarship of him with Ash actually won us the game. Ash alone could not probably have done it if wickets kept falling on the other end.

I feel, there is no other player in the team right now (not even Pilot) who has this much integrity (plus influencing ability with performance) with the team as Bashar does. So he remains to be the best option for us yet.

Bat-PadTogether · #32 September 26, 2005, 03:49 PM

Good Hooker & Puller of the ball but bad captain!

al Furqaan · #33 September 26, 2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
bashar has the dual responsibility of leading a bunch of useless sportsmen and play the role of the best batsman (by miles) in the team. if we do have to bash anyone, it'd make more sense to bash all those losers who underperform rather than the guy who is so popular in the team as a leader AND does most of the scoring for us.

if the best batsmen by miles in the team is bashar, then i should stop visting this forum, cricinfo, and just forget about the sport of cricket as a whole.

if bashar is the best, then "all hope abandon, ye who enter here."

billah · #34 September 26, 2005, 05:21 PM

From the beginning of his captaincy, I could not associate Habibul with the image of an aggressive leader. I wish we had prolific alrounders like Kapil Dev or Imran Khan, it would have made the decision easier to keep Bashar as a #4 batsman. Being the captain, his batting averages suffered significantly.

Bashar's average not as captain - 36.07
Bashar's average as captain - 29.30

Edited on, September 26, 2005, 10:22 PM GMT, by billah.

tarifmahmud · #35 September 27, 2005, 05:56 AM

Why not Pilot again.....

Baundule · #36 September 27, 2005, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by tarifmahmud
Why not Pilot again.....

Because he sux as well. He will not get support from all the players, too. Actually we have no other option. Need a consistent performer with leadership quality.

Navarene · #37 September 27, 2005, 07:44 AM

I consider Chacha as the best captain so far in the short history of our Test cricket. The way he handled and changed his bowling arsenal in the Multan Test against Pakistan was quite prudent. If only Rafique was a bit less generous not to run out Omar Gul and chora Rashid Latif was honest behind the stumps! *Sigh*

I would choose Chacha over Bashar or Pilot as our captain had he performed like a Test caliber player.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #38 September 27, 2005, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by al Furqaan
if the best batsmen by miles in the team is bashar

performance-wise speaking

GuruTM · #39 September 27, 2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
bashar has the dual responsibility of leading a bunch of useless sportsmen and play the role of the best batsman (by miles) in the team. if we do have to bash anyone, it'd make more sense to bash all those losers who underperform rather than the guy who is so popular in the team as a leader AND does most of the scoring for us.

ATMR,
Very good post. I want to agree with you and add some spice to it. You have said that it would be wiser to bash other useless sportsmen in the team and that is what i am asking from Bashar. As a captain he should do the bashing of other players to get the best from them. And that is what he is not capable of. That is what a captain's job to do. If he was doing that we would get better performance from these so called useless sportsmen.

Feel like caught and bold ATMR? I like your posts a lot though!

reyme · #40 September 27, 2005, 01:12 PM

Good postings TeamManager. Keep it up!

GuruTM · #41 September 27, 2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by reyme
Good postings TeamManager. Keep it up!

Thank you!

akabir77 · #42 September 27, 2005, 02:17 PM

Basher is the best choice that we have at this moment... Not every one likes to bash his plyrs and get thier best performance... It depends on some other things to.. In our region its normall to have a bashing boss but other places its not done in that way. Also azher from inda never bashed any plyrs or use to tell the bowlers what to do when they were bowling... even though he had the 2nd best record as capt.. What i want to say is may be bashers politeness works for him... And the problem with bd is not the captain. Now we were a team like india/pakistan then i could say yes chg the captain that's why we r loosing etc etc but we all know that's not the problem....

btw I also think chacha was the best captain till now... and pilot had gambling prob and he also bashes plyrs too much which did not work for bd 2... One have 2 under stand these r bd plyrs like u and me they also don't take bash from anyone...

reyme · #43 September 27, 2005, 02:33 PM

If we want to blame Bashar, I think 75% blame must go to Dav Whatmore first for not able to prepare Bashar as a Captain for all these years. This is one area we did not see any progress. I mean what does a coach does while the game is on? Its not the game is over in seconds, I never see Dav is sitting with his players giving them tips or sending someone with instruction. Most of the time he is sitting with 2 other foreign trainers (maybe chatting about next round of golf?). Heck he even sat down other side of the field in England. What next, sit and watch the game from the hotel room?

Bashar is a great batsman. But he is simply incapale of motivating or pushing players to the limit. He is not known for any intellingent or innovative decision maker as the situation demands. He never even led a club team in the premier league. So why he is the the Captain? Because he is one of most senior and consistent performers in the team (maybe not anymore). His fellow players like Rafiq, Javed, Pilot have their own problems and thus not chosen. Some juniors like Rajin got nods but showed immaturity and dropped shortly.

For the people who say Bashar has the best records or has no alternatives must be seriously misled. To those I have questions. Have you guys ever heard any commentator saying, "oh my goodness, what a brilliant captaincy that was by Bashar!". Never! All they talk about as how poor some of his calls were. They talk about his mistakes in field placement, bowling change, lack of aggessiveness, which eventually refect in the body language in other players. When the players see everything is falling apart with zero chance for success, they dont really have much motivation to do something fantastic, now do they? Are you willing to work 16 hour job for a company that is going bankrupt? I dont think so. All the wins Bashar has under his belt were due to the complete team effort, those matches were not won because of his captaincy.

An ideal captain would be an allrounder like Kapil, Imran Khan, Saurav, Steve Waugh. Sachin is a great batsman and did not succeed with Captaincy, it hurt his batting. End result he is no longer a Captain. Same is happing with Bashar alreday. The management should work on creating a new Captain who actually can LEAD the team and most importantly has an extreme desire to succeed, as long as his place in the team is not questionable. To name a few I would suggest Mashrafi. It is too early but he can definitely hold a vice captain's post. Players like him should be groommed for future.

In the meantime Bashar can lead the team with Dav Whatmore effectively and seriouly working behind the scene with true dedication. If that does not work, the only immediate alternative is to hire a specialist Captain's coach, like Wasim Akram or Steve Waugh.

GuruTM · #44 September 28, 2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by reyme
If we want to blame Bashar, I think 75% blame must go to Dav Whatmore first for not able to prepare Bashar as a Captain for all these years. This is one area we did not see any progress. I mean what does a coach does while the game is on? Its not the game is over in seconds, I never see Dav is sitting with his players giving them tips or sending someone with instruction. Most of the time he is sitting with 2 other foreign trainers (maybe chatting about next round of golf?). Heck he even sat down other side of the field in England. What next, sit and watch the game from the hotel room?

Bashar is a great batsman. But he is simply incapale of motivating or pushing players to the limit. He is not known for any intellingent or innovative decision maker as the situation demands. He never even led a club team in the premier league. So why he is the the Captain? Because he is one of most senior and consistent performers in the team (maybe not anymore). His fellow players like Rafiq, Javed, Pilot have their own problems and thus not chosen. Some juniors like Rajin got nods but showed immaturity and dropped shortly.

For the people who say Bashar has the best records or has no alternatives must be seriously misled. To those I have questions. Have you guys ever heard any commentator saying, "oh my goodness, what a brilliant captaincy that was by Bashar!". Never! All they talk about as how poor some of his calls were. They talk about his mistakes in field placement, bowling change, lack of aggessiveness, which eventually refect in the body language in other players. When the players see everything is falling apart with zero chance for success, they dont really have much motivation to do something fantastic, now do they? Are you willing to work 16 hour job for a company that is going bankrupt? I dont think so. All the wins Bashar has under his belt were due to the complete team effort, those matches were not won because of his captaincy.

An ideal captain would be an allrounder like Kapil, Imran Khan, Saurav, Steve Waugh. Sachin is a great batsman and did not succeed with Captaincy, it hurt his batting. End result he is no longer a Captain. Same is happing with Bashar alreday. The management should work on creating a new Captain who actually can LEAD the team and most importantly has an extreme desire to succeed, as long as his place in the team is not questionable. To name a few I would suggest Mashrafi. It is too early but he can definitely hold a vice captain's post. Players like him should be groommed for future.

In the meantime Bashar can lead the team with Dav Whatmore effectively and seriouly working behind the scene with true dedication. If that does not work, the only immediate alternative is to hire a specialist Captain's coach, like Wasim Akram or Steve Waugh.

Good line of thought.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #45 September 28, 2005, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by TeamManager
Feel like caught and bold ATMR?

not really. don't see why i should. never implied that bashar is an ideal captain, but that he is the best option that we have, and that a captain can't really do much with a team of mediocre players.

being critical is good, but a captain should always back his players in "times of distress". going public with blaming his own players might hamper the team spirit and integrity. also, i dont think we should be complaining about him not being critical of his players; we don't know what goes on inside that dressing room, and that's where it all should happen

GuruTM · #46 September 28, 2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman

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Originally posted by TeamManager
Feel like caught and bold ATMR?

not really. don't see why i should. never implied that bashar is an ideal captain, but that he is the best option that we have, and that a captain can't really do much with a team of mediocre players.

being critical is good, but a captain should always back his players in "times of distress". going public with blaming his own players might hamper the team spirit and integrity. also, i dont think we should be complaining about him not being critical of his players; we don't know what goes on inside that dressing room, and that's where it all should happen

If i am not dumb do you have a good reputation of being a very good person/friend in your personal life?

*AsifTheManRahman* · #47 September 29, 2005, 08:48 AM

maybe i am dumb. i dont know what the hell you're talking about. i didn't get the caught and bowled thing either

Tigers_eye · #48 September 29, 2005, 10:33 AM

Ekta shadashida matir manush ray banaisay shenapoti. How can he plot a battle? Roktey nai. I don't know what goes behind the close door, but as a deshi manush i know he does not have the nerve to challenge an ant, let alone Ash, Aftab, JO. I think he is afraid of some of the players like Rafiqkka.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see Rafiq as the captain. it would gang-chap part II all over again.

Pilot would be an alternative but if the players revolt then kick out the worthless players anyways.

At work, I always prayed to have a team leader/manager/supervisor like Bashar. Will not say anything if I slack off. Thats whats happening with the players. No wonder they love him and hate the guts of K Mashud. The question is as the Owner (BCB) what should you do? Do you still want to have a bashar as a captain and always under perform and lose profit(wins)? Or have K Mashud and a player revolt? its a catch 20-20. Either way as a fan we all lose.

GuruTM · #49 September 29, 2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
maybe i am dumb. i dont know what the hell you're talking about. i didn't get the caught and bowled thing either

How does the caught and bold happen? A gentle stroke and the bowler takes it on the follow-through. You had a gentle thinking which ended up supporting my thoughts but you were not agreeing with me. Thats all!

And being a friendly/good person, i meant it literally.
No harsh feelings.

akabir77 · #50 September 29, 2005, 01:26 PM

K-mashud was an abuser of power got bad habit and etc... I hope he corrected him self and if he does then he is better than bashar...

but while saying this a team like BD wont have any effect if you chg the captain. Those who wants mashud as captain can u remember bd's result during his time? Was it any different??? no- bottom line we just have to creat tuffer plyrs and till then chging a captain won't do any good instead we should give him some captency training....