Wicket Keeping Concerns - Solution

[Ashfaq]

Originally Posted by CholCholBD
Dude......seriously...just because someone does not agree with you does not mean he should go away....

I am truly ashamed for some of you that rated a good quality thread negatively and i like to apologize for my fellow members' immaturity


ehtesham has said a few valid points and he has taken the time to discuss an important aspect that a lot of us have been ignoring for quite some time.

Lets first acknowledge that there is a problem and we have not dealt with our seniors in the most respectful ways in the past....

When an Indian veteran, Australian or Pakistani veteran players bows out, the whole stadium gives him his last standing ovation....

When a Bangladeshi veteran steps out...well we never know...they are just stabbed on the way out of the pavilion really...

Huh....

Where did you get the idea that I don't like ehtesham or his post and want him to go away? And where did you get that I hate his ideas?

This thread raises some valid points and overall is a good thread. My question was not about the thread but about the thread opener. Ehtesham has been called upon his style of posting(not the subject of his posts, mind you) several times before. He has a weird principle of not tolerating any negative feedback, reasonable or not. Due to this he has left BC several times before like a moody princess. All I wondered is why he even bothered to come back when the problem (if any) is with his ultra-fragile attitude towards criticism. He shouldn't expect us to accomodate his craziness. That's all I asked.

If you must ask, I have no sympathy nor antipathy for ehtesham. He's just another net-dude.You may say I'm apathetic to him.I've no problem saying he raised a few valid points. I'll also acknowledge that his posts are even more boring than mine and that he should just grow up.

[BANFAN]

Draft a good WK first. Coaching comes later.

[ehteshamul]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Ehteshamul bhai, when will the pause be over? Please put it on play so that I can finish reading this thread. Right now my brain is getting stuck after the first line of the first post.

Hello Asif Bhaiyya,

The rating looks less scary now - one red (Thread vote of 8 avg 2.13 votes).

In pursuant to your request and the fact it has less scary rating and also CholCholBD
Bhaiyya’s very touching posting I am changing to temporary PLAY mode as you have suggested . Hopefully this will make you happy . Besides the fact I do consider you one of the softer Mods ( No offense to other Mods).

One quick suggestion.

After Clicking Visit your forum the Forum Summary pops up under which you have

Bangladesh Cricket,International Cricket, Leagues & Tournaments and so forth.

It is good to see under International Cricket a text which says However, please be respectful of other people's feelings.

It would be nice to have the same under Bangladesh Cricket as the volume of traffic is much more and it would be beneficial for both readers who open and post thread and also for those who reply. Eventually it will become an autosuggestion and chances are Quality of rating will improve substantially.

Some food for thought.

[ehteshamul]

Originally Posted by CholCholBD
Dude......seriously...just because someone does not agree with you does not mean he should go away....

I am truly ashamed for some of you that rated a good quality thread negatively and i like to apologize for my fellow members' immaturity


ehtesham has said a few valid points and he has taken the time to discuss an important aspect that a lot of us have been ignoring for quite some time.

Lets first acknowledge that there is a problem and we have not dealt with our seniors in the most respectful ways in the past....

When an Indian veteran, Australian or Pakistani veteran players bows out, the whole stadium gives him his last standing ovation....

When a Bangladeshi veteran steps out...well we never know...they are just stabbed on the way out of the pavilion really...

.

Hello CholCholBD Bhaiyya,

Hat's off to you for a touching posting!

It made my day.

Definitely the best post of this thread.

Wish you the very best.

Cheers!

Robin

[ehteshamul]

Originally Posted by RazabQ
I wonder, why would one capitalize PAUSE? Is it meant to be loud pause? Or dramatize it?

Hello RazabQ,

PAUSE is captilaized obvioulsy for quick and imnediate attention( LOL!)

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

Robin

[ehteshamul]

Originally Posted by beshideshi
I dont see the harm of hiring a specialist wicket keeping coach. Big football teams have their own keeping coach, so why not with cricket?
And as far as mushfiq's batting is concerned, i think he is technically and mentally one of the strongest batsman in our team. I think he can be in the team as a specialist batsman alone. But if he has to survive in the team as a keeper/batsman, his keeping skills need to improved, i know people make mistakes,but a keepers mistakes must be minimized. Its a great idea of hiring a keeping coach, hope BCB hires someone, even for short term [1-2 months,during off season]

Hello Beshideshi Bhaiyya.

Great Input. Spot on.

Cheers!

Robin

[Rabz]

Whatever it is, i want NO pakis anywhere near my team.
Period.
Not even for ball boys.

Welcome back, Robin!
Nice to see you still hanging around.
(How come i missed this thread all these days!!)

...javed bhai....

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by ehteshamul
Hello Asif Bhaiyya,

The rating looks less scary now - one red (Thread vote of 8 avg 2.13 votes).

In pursuant to your request and the fact it has less scary rating and also CholCholBD
Bhaiyya’s very touching posting I am changing to temporary PLAY mode as you have suggested . Hopefully this will make you happy .

Thank you Ehteshamul bhaiya. For a second there, I was worried I'd never be able to post in this thread again. I have been logging on to BC on and off over the past couple of days, hoping that you would set it to play (I mean PLAY), and was relieved when I saw this post of yours this morning. What a great way to start the day!

Now that we all have your permission, the discussion can finally go on. I think Sangakkara should retire and coach our wicket-keepers.

[MohammedC]

Originally Posted by Rabz
Whatever it is, i want NO pakis anywhere near my team.
Period.
Not even for ball boys.

Welcome back, Robin!
Nice to see you still hanging around.
(How come i missed this thread all these days!!)

...javed bhai....

Agreed 100%

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Draft a good WK first. Coaching comes later.

we did do that. when i saw Dhiman Ghosh on TV, to be honest with you, i was quite impressed with that lad. too bad...he is banned!

it is all about witnessing Potential and someone's ability and willingness to Play and work really hard and building on that foundation a solid bright cricket future!

[nycpro96]

ya. i had high hopes of Dhima's keeping. his movements were terrific. and he was usually aware of what was going on

[ehteshamul]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Thank you Ehteshamul bhaiya. For a second there, I was worried I'd never be able to post in this thread again. I have been logging on to BC on and off over the past couple of days, hoping that you would set it to play (I mean PLAY), and was relieved when I saw this post of yours this morning. What a great way to start the day!


Now that we all have your permission, the discussion can finally go on. I think Sangakkara should retire and coach our wicket-keepers.

Hello Asif Bhaiyya,

Thanks for your kind and humble words especially coming from a Mod makes it more significant for me. Also the rating is green. A great relief for me.

Your idea is brilliant and probably the best option of having Sangakkara being a potential wicket keeping coach for Tigers as and when he retires. He is an outstanding Batsman and a good Wicket keeper and a treat to watch for Cricket fans all over the world.

Cheers!

Robin

[Beamer]

Well, Let me say it this way. I see a lot of quality potential in Rahim as a batsman, specially in tests where he is easily one of our specialist batsman. However, his wkt keeping is far too inconsistent, and some of his faults are fundamental. Lack of feet movement, anticipating wrong path of the delivery etc are more rudimentary. So, yes, a specialist wkt keeping coach working with him for a few months is not a bad idea. It will be worth the investment. Surely, all other wktkeepers in the country can join the camp alongside him. So, I don't disagree with that line of thinking.

However, Rashid Latif is probably not the right candidate. I think Wasim Bari, Selim Yousuf and maybe even Moin Khan were better than Rashid Latif. Sri Lanka had a bunch quality guys as well. If we are to be sub-continet specific, as you have reasoned without explaining why, I can think of at least a few other guys who were of better quality than one Latif.

[ehteshamul]

Originally Posted by Beamer
Well, Let me say it this way. I see a lot of quality potential in Rahim as a batsman, specially in tests where he is easily one of our specialist batsman. However, his wkt keeping is far too inconsistent, and some of his faults are fundamental. Lack of feet movement, anticipating wrong path of the delivery etc are more rudimentary. So, yes, a specialist wkt keeping coach working with him for a few months is not a bad idea. It will be worth the investment. Surely, all other wktkeepers in the country can join the camp alongside him. So, I don't disagree with that line of thinking.

However, Rashid Latif is probably not the right candidate. I think Wasim Bari, Selim Yousuf and maybe even Moin Khan were better than Rashid Latif. Sri Lanka had a bunch quality guys as well. If we are to be sub-continet specific, as you have reasoned without explaining why, I can think of at least a few other guys who were of better quality than one Latif.

Hello Beamer Bhaiyya,

Excellent analyis of Rahim as a Batsman and Wicket keeper. It can't get better.

I also appreciate your inputs on Tiger's possible Wicket Keeping Coaches.

Cheers !

Robin

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by rifat
we did do that. when i saw Dhiman Ghosh on TV, to be honest with you, i was quite impressed with that lad. too bad...he is banned!

it is all about witnessing Potential and someone's ability and willingness to Play and work really hard and building on that foundation a solid bright cricket future!

Me too. I was expecting a lot from him as a wk. But I am not at all imopressed with his batting. Even in ICL he wasn't at all impressive. May be he would do better in ODI & Test, if he wasn't banned.

Ki aar korar, ekhon notun arr ekjon khujte hobe. it is hard to make someone a world class wk if his basics aren't good to begin with.

[Ashfaq]

Originally Posted by rifat
we did do that. when i saw Dhiman Ghosh on TV, to be honest with you, i was quite impressed with that lad. too bad...he is banned!

it is all about witnessing Potential and someone's ability and willingness to Play and work really hard and building on that foundation a solid bright cricket future!

I for one am glad to see the back of Dhiman. Cricket is a team game and skill is as important as team spirit. Had Dhiman been in the team, he would bring the team down with his arrogant attitude. KP affords to say "what more do you want?", but not someone with less than 5 catches and less than 200 runs. As you said, it's about potential and working ones back off to build on that. I don't see Dhiman working really hard to improve when the incentive involves only the glory of playing for his country men and not smoking hot rupees.

I would take a committed mediocre over an uncaring genius any day. And It's not as if Dhiman was Gilly. He's barely world class, though admittedly he's a more skilled Keeper than Rahim.

[Rabz]

After his remarks, personally, i would not want Dhiman anywhere near the national team.
After all, qouting him, he has already done enough.
We cant ask more from this guy.

[Abirz]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Me too. I was expecting a lot from him as a wk. But I am not at all imopressed with his batting. Even in ICL he wasn't at all impressive. May be he would do better in ODI & Test, if he wasn't banned.

Ki aar korar, ekhon notun arr ekjon khujte hobe. it is hard to make someone a world class wk if his basics aren't good to begin with.

Well im a very good keeper...sigh...now if only BCB selectors knew that.

[Tiger444]

I saw that many people liked Dhiman more then Mushfiq and that he would become even better then him..thank god he is not in the national fold anymore..he wouldve been another wasted talent seeing his batting and his wicketkeeping is that great either..plus he didnt have the energy that Mushfiq has which in my opinion is always important in wicketkeeping

[Umar]

I think everyone is shaken by MITUN ALI here. peepz keep faith in mushfiqur and give a little time for Mitun Ali. if Mushfiq Flops really badly...or if we are in lack of a hard hitter batsman ...for example if we remove ASHRAFUL from the team then we should think about Mitun Ali getting a chance sooner than needed.

[nycpro96]

we should definitely keep a close eye on mithun ali. we debut most of our kids at 18-19. but mushi is doing good. we shouldnt tell mushy off. though it is always good to have competition amongst the boys so this mithun ali character might help mushi's playing

[Fazal]

If you want to see best of Mushfiq, the bring a competition in WC

If you think Mushfiq is not good enough, then bring a competetion in WC

Ether way there is no alternative. The only option we have is bring a worthy competetion in WC. Only that way the young WC (Mushfiq, Mithun, Dhiman, who ever he is) will grow and improve and try his best.

Otherwise we will create another Ashraful out of Musfiq, that is a wasted slot and a not fully utilized talent.

[bujhee kom]

good important topic robin bhaiya! agree with fazal mama regarding bringing in real competition for mushy and the other keepers!

hey guys, what about sahagir hossain? what do you all think this guy? does he ahve a record of dropping too much? i don't know! we need to check on this guy!
ashekur rahman(?) i think also! maybe i messed up this name completely! let me dig up and i will correct it, or someone please correct the name!

[Gowza]

saghir hossain must get frustrated alot, whenever he becomes the clear back-up keeper for the national team some young up-start bursts onto the scene e.g. rahim, dhiman, mithun. he's a guy who's always around but not quite there.

[bujhee kom]

right, thank you gowza!
i think i remembered the other young keeper's name: it's ashikur rahman i think! still need to check!
also who is pavel? isn't he a keeper-batsman as well?