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[HereWeGo]

I was just wondering if there is any rule abt the nick that u use. I am surprised that a member proudly uses the nick Hitler (along with his photos) and no one complains about that. Bangladesh over the years was proud to be called a diverse nation where every religion and group can coexist together. Please do something abt it. People from round the world signs up for banglacricket.com. And members with such nick do not portray a very positive image.

[Miraz]

Dear HWG, we have already discussed about the nick here

and most members do not have any problem with the nick.

[Arnab]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
I was just wondering if there is any rule abt the nick that u use. I am surprised that a member proudly uses the nick Hitler (along with his photos) and no one complains about that. Bangladesh over the years was proud to be called a diverse nation where every religion and group can coexist together. Please do something abt it. People from round the world signs up for banglacricket.com. And members with such nick do not portray a very positive image.

I find the nick chosen in poor taste, too. But as long as the user's not showing any troll qualities, it's a just a stupid nick.

[HereWeGo]

Originally Posted by Miraz
Dear HWG, we have already discussed about the nick here

and most members do not have any problem with the nick.

Sorry.... wasnt aware

[Bancan]

i think we should hav a poll and if majority decides that they dont like the name then he should change the name. its really in poor taste. but other then that i dont hav a problem with it

[Miraz]

bancan, for how many nicks you will go for a poll??

And what decides hitler nick is bad or good??

Its the act of the members which we should take into account, not the nick.

[Bancan]

well i dont know if there is any other nick name that is quite the same as Hitler's.i know the nick doesnt represent what AH posts. but still it does have an effect.

"Its the act of the members which we should take into account, not the nick." i know mate. but sometimes it may effect ppl. the name also gives ppl an idea about the person(doesnt neccesarily mean its right).
i dont have a really huge problem with the nick and i agree with most of the posts made by AH but still its a offending name to many.

and it doesnt represent bc in a nice way. when a visitor visits this site and sees that name , i think not all but some will have an bad idea about the place.

[Arnab]

just a dumping thread

[Alien]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
I was just wondering if there is any rule abt the nick that u use. I am surprised that a member proudly uses the nick Hitler (along with his photos) and no one complains about that. Bangladesh over the years was proud to be called a diverse nation where every religion and group can coexist together. Please do something abt it. People from round the world signs up for banglacricket.com. And members with such nick do not portray a very positive image.

lol..since when did you become so caring about this world?

People like you who got nothing else to do than pick on other's nick should be banned from using Internet. Technology doesnt suit narrow minded individual like you.

Btw, this is not Bangladesh, its Internet.

[Arnab]

People like you who got nothing else to do than pick on other's nick should be banned from using Internet. Technology doesnt suit narrow minded individual like you.

This is crude, unwanted taunting. I can see he is poking you as well, but what do you expect with your nick and avatar pic? You are offering him a free hit and then playing the victim.

Btw, this is not Bangladesh, its Internet.

Yes, but unlike other unmoderated, freestyle discussions on the Net, this is a moderated forum with some rules of engagement that have evolved based on some principles that the early members of the community and the site's founders agreed upon. Civility is usually given a lot of weight here, unlike some other Internet forums. If a considerable number of members on the forum find something offensive/uncivil, their opinion will be respected and the problem will probably be taken care of.

[Alien]

Originally Posted by Arnab
This is crude, unwanted taunting. I can see he is poking you as well, but what do you expect with your nick and avatar pic? You are offering him a free hit and then playing the victim.

I suggest you look into those 2 political threads before commenting. His swearing there went uncensored. Your suggestions is like saying "Women who dress in skimpy clothes invite rape". My nick whatsover gives him no right to taunt it.

Yes, but unlike other unmoderated, freestyle discussions on the Net, this is a moderated forum with some rules of engagement that have evolved based on some principles that the early members of the community and the site's founders agreed upon. Civility is usually given a lot of weight here, unlike some other Internet forums. If a considerable number of members on the forum find something offensive/uncivil, their opinion will be respected and the problem will probably be taken care of.

Well, because this forum is moderated and civil, thats the reason why I come here. I dont even visit other forums. But I dont see any fairness to your judgement. No one here told HereWeGo anything.

The reason why he started this thread in first place is not because he feels his new found love for humanity and deep sorrow 6 million victims of holocaust, its because he cant debate without mouthing off and and seeing he lost the arguement, he went after my name avatar going as far as starting a new thread.

If you cant see through this obvious double standard, then I got nothing else to say.

[Miraz]

Dear Hitler aka Alien,
You agreed to chnage your nick upon moderators request. That's a nice gesture. Now forget the debate and look forward.

Digging the old debate will not help anyone's cause. Looking forward for your constructive criticism and contribution in the forum.

[Arnab]

Originally Posted by Alien
I suggest you look into those 2 political threads before commenting. His swearing there went uncensored. Your suggestions is like saying "Women who dress in skimpy clothes invite rape". My nick whatsover gives him no right to taunt it.




Well, because this forum is moderated and civil, thats the reason why I come here. I dont even visit other forums. But I dont see any fairness to your judgement. No one here told HereWeGo anything.

The reason why he started this thread in first place is not because he feels his new found love for humanity and deep sorrow 6 million victims of holocaust, its because he cant debate without mouthing off and and seeing he lost the arguement, he went after my name avatar going as far as starting a new thread.

If you cant see through this obvious double standard, then I got nothing else to say.

That could all well be true (I am not saying it is), but you were at an obvious disadvantage in terms of getting the benefit of the doubt re: your nick, with a nick and an avatar that many moderators found to be in bad taste.

BTW, HereWeGo didn't start thread. I moved the first few posts from another thread where the discussion didn't belong, and just slapped a label on it.

And to clear any confusion, this nick/avatar change thing has little to do with your actual contributions in the political threads. Those are separate issues. If anybody bring this "nick change" thing up in the future to get back at you, ignore him/her.

[layperson]

Since we are talking about "hitler" as a nick I would like to ask the moderators if it was a violation of this forum's rules to have such a nick and avatar? If not then why was he asked to change it based on some other members requests? Its not like his nick is something obscene or his avatar has pornography in it. If I was "hitler" I would rather leave the site than agree to something like this just because some weird people have problem with his screen name !!! And if there is a rule in the forum against this nick then I would request the mods to provide me with a link to it so that I can go through it for my own sake because I am contemplating changing my nick now.

[Zunaid]

Shahriyar - go read the forum rules and guidelines again. Just go to the FAQ link or one of the stickies in this forum.

Key words you may wish to peruse and parse are civility, decency, community standards and offensive. You are aware, hein, that you signed off on accepting the forum rules/guidelines when you signed on.

And in the final analysis, presence here is a privilege not a right. If moderators do find something that is NOT being conducive towards civilized discourse or is in fact distracting from the primary business of this site (surprise! Bangladesh cricket!), then we may put down our dictatorial foot and stamp it out even if it is not spelled out in item 4.6.9.8 sub clause 5 para 4.

[layperson]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Shahriyar - go read the forum rules and guidelines again. Just go to the FAQ link or one of the stickies in this forum.

Key words you may wish to peruse and parse are civility, decency, community standards and offensive. You are aware, hein, that you signed off on accepting the forum rules/guidelines when you signed on.

And in the final analysis, presence here is a privilege not a right. If moderators do find something that is NOT being conducive towards civilized discourse or is in fact distracting from the primary business of this site (surprise! Bangladesh cricket!), then we may put down our dictatorial foot and stamp it out even if it is not spelled out in item 4.6.9.8 sub clause 5 para 4.

Thank you I have gone through the FAQs. What bothers me is he was not trying to impose hitler's idoelogy on the forums. He was just a regular poster whose nick was "hitler". I know I have not read all the posts he made but I did not come across any posts of his that would appear offensive to any religion or any groups. I also do not see how his nick was a distraction from this forum's primary business either. Yes i know being here is a privilege and not a right but the mods action on this nick did not quite make sense to me since the member was not doing anything "hitler -ish". So, how things stand so far is if the mods find a nick offensive personally he will have it changed no matter what the forum guidelines say. I just think this is going to enable double standards on this forum and hitler's case is an example. Way too much was being made of just a harmless screen name and seems like he was bullied because of it. Correct me if I am wrong, BC mods do not encourage people with odd beliefs to be a member here then? So if someone is anti semitic( and not preaching his belief's here) then he cannot be a member of this forum even if he is a bangladesh cricket fan which is supposed to be the primary business of this site.

[Arnab]

Originally Posted by shahriyar
Thank you I have gone through the FAQs. What bothers me is he was not trying to impose hitler's idoelogy on the forums. He was just a regular poster whose nick was "hitler". I know I have not read all the posts he made but I did not come across any posts of his that would appear offensive to any religion or any groups. I also do not see how his nick was a distraction from this forum's primary business either. Yes i know being here is a privilege and not a right but the mods action on this nick did not quite make sense to me since the member was not doing anything "hitler -ish". So, how things stand so far is if the mods find a nick offensive personally he will have it changed no matter what the forum guidelines say. I just think this is going to enable double standards on this forum and hitler's case is an example. Way too much was being made of just a harmless screen name and seems like he was bullied because of it. Correct me if I am wrong, BC mods do not encourage people with odd beliefs to be a member here then? So if someone is anti semitic( and not preaching his belief's here) then he cannot be a member of this forum even if he is a bangladesh cricket fan which is supposed to be the primary business of this site.

I think you are trying to be too clever. Oti chalaki bhalo na. We deal with these incidents as they come.

[layperson]

Originally Posted by Arnab
I think you are trying to be too clever. Oti chalaki bhalo na. We deal with these incidents as they come.

What do you mean I am trying to be too clever ? I am being very straight forward and I have no hidden agenda. I am saying whatever is at the tip of my tongue within civility offcourse. What boggles me is why Hitler bhai took all this prejudice lying down !!!

[Arnab]

Originally Posted by shahriyar
What do you mean I am trying to be too clever ? I am being very straight forward and I have no hidden agenda. I am saying whatever is at the tip of my tongue within civility offcourse. What boggles me is why Hitler bhai took all this prejudice lying down !!!

Look, it has been explained before. We find Hitler's nick and avatar to be chosen in poor taste (if you don't get WHY it's in poor taste, then you don't get it; and we are not going to make you get it), with a potential to make unnecessary noise in the forums and have requested him to change his nick and avatar. He has obliged and we thank him for that.

This has nothing to do with the content of his posts in the cricket or Politics forums, or whatever personal beliefs he has about the real Hitler and his policies (which are appalling by any standard). The only thing we regret is that we should have acted earlier about his nick and avatar.

We probably would have done the same if someone registered with a nick "Yahiya Khan" and an avatar of the general's pic.

Case closed. I suggest you don't take our actions as some kind of a "prejudiced" policy to "oppress minority members of different beliefs" and move on.

When in doubt, just remember that above all, this is a moderated Internet forum for and by Bangladesh cricket fans with its primary focus on Bangladesh cricket.

[thebest]

Arnab Bhai,
first of all, I totally agree the nick 'Hitlar' is poor taste. I was one of the first who made the noise (check his first 10 post). But what I find double standard is that no body give a damn about musholini or Stalin.
Yes I would be hurt if somebody with a nick 'Tikka Khan' and 'Yahiya Khan' shows up. I have no problem even if they come with thier pic as Avatar. The best thing I would do at first to ignore him and try to judge him from his post.
The thread starter started this thread when he has difference of opinion with Hitlar. To me, this is not acceptable. The mob later joined.t because our perception on Hitlar is formed by Media. For them anything, anyone againest Jew is anti-semitic. Hence, Hitlar is antisemitic. And what is anti-semitism? Islam, Christian and Jew all three are semitic religion. If somebody talk againest jew become anti-semetic by media made me laugh. The latest victim is Mel Gibson. By the way six monthes ago, in Bombay a resturent was opened named Hitlar with Swastica sign. Even repeated german request Indian government did not ordered the owner to change the name. Swastica may be ban in Germany not in India; Hitlar may be an offensive name in Germany not in India. That was stand of Indian government.
As I mentioned in other thread you just opened a Pandora's box. Witch hunt would start shortly.

[Arnab]

Originally Posted by thebest
Arnab Bhai,
The thread starter started this thread when he has difference of opinion with Hitlar.

As I mentioned earlier in this very thread, the "thread starter" did not start this thread. It was part of another thread in a different forum. I cut and pasted that part here in a new thread.

So I will ignore the rest of your response, which, frankly, resembles tilke taal banano. No need for that.

******

About the real Hitler:

If the Indian government is allowing restaurants named Hitler with a Swastika sign to operate, it's really screwed up.

Hitler is an offensive name to the vast majority of the civilized Western population (not considering the neo-Nazis) for good reasons. Ideally, any mass-murderer should be viewed as such across all societies.

[Arnab]

Originally Posted by thebest
Arnab Bhai,
But what I find double standard is that no body give a damn about musholini or Stalin.

Yes, but Stalin has made only one post and musholini has posted only cricket related non-controversial posts with close to zero noise. So they are under our (and probably everyone else's) radar.

Like I said, we only deal with issues after they reach a certain noise level. That's the overriding principle for us admins/moderators: Don't ruin the experience of reading and posting in a generally civil environment. But we also trust in people's abilities to behave within the rules that you agreed to when you joined the forum (especially the one which says the Admin and the mod's decision will be final).

[layperson]

Originally Posted by Arnab
(especially the one which says the Admin and the mod's decision will be final).

Exactly why I was continuing with the topic. According to me if mods act in the way they did with this issue they will only dilute their positions. I am no one to judge but this is the only forum where I am a member and I participate once in a while. If I have enough sense then I think you guys just put yourselves on the wrong side of the spotlight by this action. One last thing is I know most people here are very well educated and much more knowledgeable than me. Specially some of the people moderating this site have my respect from what little I gather from their posts, but actions like these only puts down the position of the mods and tempts me to believe otherwise. Since you said case closed I will refrain from making any more posts here.

[Arnab]

Sure, you are entitled to your opinion. Personally, I don't think our position has been "diluted".

[Rubu]

Originally Posted by Arnab
About the real Hitler:
If the Indian government is allowing restaurants named Hitler with a Swastika sign to operate, it's really screwed up.

Hitler is an offensive name to the vast majority of the civilized Western population (not considering the neo-Nazis) for good reasons. Ideally, any mass-murderer should be viewed as such across all societies.

Not commenting on a 'closed' case, but I feel like giving my two cents here. If india feels somewhat owing to hitler, it would be understandable. the fact is, without WW-II, india would probably still be under british colony. if england would not be heavily damaged by ww-ii, it would probably take ghandhi's approach to get them out of india, in about say, another 200 years. now, thats what you call 'karo poush mash, karo shorbonash'