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October 31, 2016, 10:37 AM
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Grades on the England test series
Overall after two test series: (stats)
Tamim 231, AVG 57.75
Imrul 143, AVG 35.75
Shabbir 98, AVG 32.66
Riyad 115, AVG 28.75
Shakib 106, AVG 26.50; 12 Wkts, 18.4 AVG, SR 40.5
Mominul 94, AVG 23.50
Taijul 7 Wkts, 22.85 AVG, SR 59.8
Mehedi 19 Wkts, 15.63 AVG, SR 34.5
GB 100, AVG 25, several bye runs, Catch drops, stump missing - England cashing in on that.
Mehedi - A. What a debut.
Shakib - B. 1st test, third day, second ball: coming out on M Ali, brain freeze judgment lost the test. You know it, I know it. Trying to make up with the ball in the second innings would NOT hide that fact. You are a senior player for this team. No excuse. Your bowling in the second test have saved you. 3 wickets in 4 balls was nail in the coffin.
KI Rabbi - D. Did his job. Debut and got a wicket on that pitch. Fielding was bad.
Tamim - A. Everything. Taking over captaincy....
Imrul - B+. Positive contributor.
Mominul - C. I expect more.
Riyad - D. 1st time getting out on the last over before a break, as a fan, I can overlook. Repeat it again in the second test?
Taijul - B. Good saves in the outfield.
Sabbir - C+. Expectation was higher.
Hom - C. Did bat well in the forth innings.
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October 31, 2016, 10:42 AM
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October 31, 2016, 10:43 AM
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Cricket Savant
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Imrul should get an A...he fielding was superb.
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October 31, 2016, 10:43 AM
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Mushy gets "C" and I would give Hom "D" and Rabbi "F" . The rest is fine.
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October 31, 2016, 11:01 AM
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Mushfiqur grading cannot be done by a single letter, he needs to be graded for separate roles,
Captaincy - ? (No standard letter available)
Wicket Keeping - ? (No standard letter available)
Batting - C
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October 31, 2016, 12:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by One World
Mushfiqur grading cannot be done by a single letter, he needs to be graded for separate roles,
Captaincy - ? (No standard letter available)
Wicket Keeping - ? (No standard letter available)
Batting - C
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And that is why I left him out from grading.
Plus people would say I am biased.
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October 31, 2016, 12:47 PM
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Wow so many Cs and Ds... this report card gives the impression we got thrashed in the test series. Unrealistic expectations! The grading should factor in 15 months break from tests and the fact that England is a top tier test side.
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October 31, 2016, 01:33 PM
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My Grading is biased towards debutantes
Mehedi Hasan Miraz - A+
Tamim Iqbal - A-
Shakib Al Hasan - B+
Sabbir Rahman - B+
Imrul Kayes - B.
Mominul Haque - B-.
Taijul Islam- C+
Mushfiqur Rahim- C
Mahmudullah Riyad - C.
Shuvagoto Hom - C-.
Shafiul Islam - D.
Kamrul Islam Rabbi - D-.
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October 31, 2016, 01:40 PM
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Tamim – A
Mushfiqur – D
Shakib – C
Imrul – C
Mominul – B
Mahmudullah – D
Kamrul – F
Shabbir – C
Hom – C
Taijul – B
Mehedi – A
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October 31, 2016, 01:42 PM
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Miraz--A++
What a debut. Made us all proud
Shakib--B.
I wanted to give him A but the way he batted in both tests was extremely painful to watch.
Mominul--C+
I understand that he came back after a long break, but expected more from him
Shabbir--C
He disappointed me a bit. Was expecting better from him.
Imrul--A.
He has improved a lot. Loving this new Imrul
Tamim--A
Good batting, played with confidence
Riyad--C-
Still cant believe he played that shot to throw his wicket away at the very last ball of the day
Mushfiq--Unsatisfactory
Taijul--B
He bowled really well. Underachiever imo
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October 31, 2016, 01:55 PM
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Tamim -A
Imrul - A
Mominul - B
Riyad - B
Shakib - A
Mushfiqur - B
Sabbir- B
Mehedi - A (this is the highest grade but he needs a special mention)
Taijul - A
Hom - C
Shafiul - D
Rabbi - D
We should take the outcome of the series and role expected from the players into account to grade the players.
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October 31, 2016, 02:10 PM
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T_E bhai, Mehedi-ke keno A+ dilenna??
Mushfiq er jonno ekta notun system create koren.
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October 31, 2016, 02:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadukor
Wow so many Cs and Ds... this report card gives the impression we got thrashed in the test series. Unrealistic expectations! The grading should factor in 15 months break from tests and the fact that England is a top tier test side.
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Alrighty then. Let us see your grades. To help you see below:
This is what the players averaged this series and what they use to average before at home and the difference:
Batting: (+ve is better)
Tamim 57.75 - 38 = +19.75
Shakib 26.5 - 42.57 = -16.07
Mushfique 25 - 32.91 = -7.91
Mominul 23.5 - 66.23 = -42.73
Riyad 28.75 - 37.14 = -8.39
Imrul 35.75 - 31.81 = +3.94
Taijul 14.5 - 14.87 = -.37
Shafiul 1 - 16.28 = -15.28
Hom 31 - 24.62 = +6.38
Only 3 in positive figures with Monimul failing miserably than his previous standard.
Bowling: (-ve is better)
Shakib 18.41 - 33.31 = -14.9
Taijul 22.85 - 33.94 = -11.09
Hom 0.00
These stats doesn't take in to the account of drops and catches.
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October 31, 2016, 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miraz
Tamim -A
Imrul - A
Mominul - B
Riyad - B
Shakib - A
Mushfiqur - B
Sabbir- B
Mehedi - A (this is the highest grade but he needs a special mention)
Taijul - A
Hom - C
Shafiul - D
Rabbi - D
We should take the outcome of the series and role expected from the players into account to grade the players.
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October 31, 2016, 02:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Alrighty then. Let us see your grades. To help you see below:
This is what the players averaged this series and what they use to average before at home and the difference:
Batting: (+ve is better)
Tamim 57.75 - 38 = +19.75
Shakib 26.5 - 42.57 = -16.07
Mushfique 25 - 32.91 = -7.91
Mominul 23.5 - 66.23 = -42.73
Riyad 28.75 - 37.14 = -8.39
Imrul 35.75 - 31.81 = +3.94
Taijul 14.5 - 14.87 = -.37
Shafiul 1 - 16.28 = -15.28
Hom 31 - 24.62 = +6.38
Bowling: (-ve is better)
Shakib 18.41 - 33.31 = -14.9
Taijul 22.85 - 33.94 = -11.09
Hom 0.00
These stats doesn't take in to the account of drops and catches.
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So Hom had the second highest batting avg increase (after Tamim) and bowling is the same. then how come he got a C???
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October 31, 2016, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icricket
T_E bhai, Mehedi-ke keno A+ dilenna??
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What grade will he make when his bat will blaze? He actually got A++ I just didn't put it to keep him grounded.
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Originally Posted by icricket
Mushfiq er jonno ekta notun system create koren.
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We have lots of "Mushi for Pri-Minister" type fans in this website. I'd let them create a grading standard for him. My guess would be "WNW" or "U".
"We Not Worthy"
"Untouchable"
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October 31, 2016, 03:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mufi_02
So Hom had the second highest batting avg increase (after Tamim) and bowling is the same. then how come he got a C???
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Bowling is not the same. Actually stats un-comparable. Previously he got 8 wickets in 7 matches with a 59 AVG. The one test he played he didn't get any wickets (ZERO). You can't calculate averages if he didn't get any wickets. C was generous because of his batting.
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October 31, 2016, 03:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rifat
My Grading is biased towards debutantes
Mehedi Hasan Miraz - A+
Tamim Iqbal - A-
Shakib Al Hasan - B+
Sabbir Rahman - B+
Imrul Kayes - B.
Mominul Haque - B-.
Taijul Islam- C+
Mushfiqur Rahim- C
Mahmudullah Riyad - C.
Shuvagoto Hom - C-.
Shafiul Islam - D.
Kamrul Islam Rabbi - D-.
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October 31, 2016, 03:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Bowling is not the same. Actually stats un-comparable. Previously he got 8 wickets in 7 matches with a 59 AVG. The one test he played he didn't get any wickets (ZERO). You can't calculate averages if he didn't get any wickets. C was generous because of his batting.
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but with the second best batting improvement and almost similar bowling performance, doesn't he deserve more than a C?
and hence my point, statistics like these don't provide any real insight. Coz the second most improved batsmen will ideally get an A or minimum a B. Statistics devoid of context is a poor indicator.
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October 31, 2016, 04:41 PM
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some gave Taijul A. Did nothing but C+ IMO!
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October 31, 2016, 04:45 PM
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Mehedi Hasan Miraz - A+, Poor Batting...
Tamim Iqbal - A+, Stood above all with the Bat - Cook, Mominul, Root - No one came close
Shakib Al Hasan - A, threw it away, but still added vital runs (and was out off a No Ball in his 41) and turned it on with 3 in 4 in pressure situation.
Imrul Kayes - A, Stood up opening - Showed fight and prevented collapse in tough 3rd and 4th innings
Taijul Islam - B, Deserved more of the ball
Mominul Haque - B-, C- with the Bat, expected more, but fielding was incredible, always put his body on the line
Sabbir Rahman - B-, expected more with the bat, robbed a wicket.
Mushfiqur Rahim- B-, He showed fight in 1st with the bat and was top notch in difficult conditions with the gloves, Captaincy was awful for half the time...but better than usual, which is start to finish an abomination to the game
Mahmudullah Riyad - C, Keeps throwing it away, he'll always be a C playing at home, can be an A, but comfortable at a C...Terrible mentality
Shuvagoto Hom - D+ - Better than an Expected F, slogged well and good fielding, awful bowling.
Kamrul Islam Rabbi - E - Awful, got a wicket, and that 6....
Shafiul Islam - E - Started really well....But awful in general
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October 31, 2016, 04:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mufi_02
but with the second best batting improvement and almost similar bowling performance, doesn't he deserve more than a C?
and hence my point, statistics like these don't provide any real insight. Coz the second most improved batsmen will ideally get an A or minimum a B. Statistics devoid of context is a poor indicator.
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Wait what...So if a batsmen makes 3 ducks in a row, then makes 30 in the 4th thats an A because of improvement?
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October 31, 2016, 04:56 PM
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Dharmasena: F-
Even the last out was horribly wrong. Good thing they had no DharmasenaRS left.
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October 31, 2016, 05:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger1000
Wait what...So if a batsmen makes 3 ducks in a row, then makes 30 in the 4th thats an A because of improvement?
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That's exactly my point..a metric of before and after average is not good statistics.
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October 31, 2016, 10:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Overall after two test series: (stats)
Tamim - A. Agreed
Imrul - B+. He gets an A. He was fantastic throughout the series against spin with some incredible sweep shots and his half century in the 2nd test was a match winning contribution
Mominul - C. B. Simply because he has had a long lay off. Not easy for somebody to come in and score right away. He put his body on the line for the team and took some spectacular catches
Riyad - D. C. I expected better from him but again he made decent contributions especially the 2nd innings in the 2nd test before the brain malfunction
Taijul - B. Agreed
Sabbir - C+. Agreed
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Hom - C.B+. He did very well with the limited opportunities he had. It is very difficult to perform when the captain himself has zero faith in you. His contributions helped us win the 2nd test
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