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Old May 25, 2010, 11:30 AM
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Very sad to see Flyers moving on. As much as I hate them, you have to give them credit for what they have done in this post season. Getting rid of Devils in 5, bouncing Bruins after being down 0-3, and now dispatching the Habs in 5. Hawks will be heavily favored, but Flyers got a sense of destiny in them. These Flyers also don't run around as much like they used to. They are a lot more disciplined. Gotta give kudos to Laviolette for instilling some discipline. I probably won't watch much, but I have a feeling that this series will go the distance. Hawks in six. If it goes to game 7, Flyers win.
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Old May 26, 2010, 08:46 AM
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It was a great year for the Habs. I for one did not foresee Habs reaching the conference final this year with this team. The odds were always against us in every round. Confronting the Flyers, a team with depth at every skill position (forwards, dmen and goalie) and sandpaper grit was always going to be an insurmountable task for this current version of Habs. This series exposed the real problem facing the Habs on the ice: lack of leadership. We are the only team in the NHL that doesn't have a designated captain-instead we have three alternates. The lack of a star centreman was glaringly obvious. Goaltending and Camalleri won the Habs couple of series but the coaching stuff and players could not break the Flyers left wing lock for most of the series. Leighton was there the few times Habs could generate shots from the slot. The find of the playoffs for the Habs has been the play of P. K. Subban. No doubt in my mind, he will start with the Habs next year.

Habs have lot of UFAs and RFAs to be signed. The rumours are that Pierre Gauthier will sign Plekanec to a multi year deal. Halak will most certainly be signed after a Roy-esque showing during the playoffs. To sign both Plekanec and Halak, each will have to be paid at least 5 millions which will leave very little money to sign the rest of the UFAs as 44.5 millions are already committed to 14-15 players. This all translates to over-dependence on the rapid growth and maturation of young talents in the organization and that plan has the recipe for potential disaster. I don't like the way the management's painting this rosey image of the team. Habs got lucky with the goaltending, faced two teams who were stubborn (because they had great players) and refused to get down and dirty, when confronted by a physically intimating team who were equally as prepared to sacrifice their bodies, all the skaters capitulated.

I am a realist and I know damn well that if Scott Gomez and Plekanec are the centres Habs have to rely upon to bring them to the promised land, the dream of winning 24th SC will live for years to come. I am a fan of Carey Price but Habs have to trade him to get some offensive help.

The SC finals this year as a result of the Flyers advancing won't be contested by two original six teams. It will feature the speed of Chicago vs. the grit of the Flyers. My prediction: Chicago wins 4-2. Chicago has greater depth, faster forwards and the best 1,2 defense pairing in the league in Seabrook and Duncan Keith. If Niamey plays to his potential, Chicago will hoist the cup with relative ease.

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Old May 26, 2010, 09:15 AM
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My money is on the Hawks too.If the Flyers win, it'll be an upset.
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Old May 26, 2010, 09:41 AM
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Nicely said IC. We have cap issues as well. Major cap issues. We have centers, plenty of them, but NO top six winger! We saw what Montreal did to us by taking the center of the ice and dared the likes of Dupuis, Kuntiz, Geurin etc .to beat them, which we couldn't do. Flyers have quality wingers. I just don't know how long we can go on with Shero's 'strong down the middle' philosophy. Staal is a third line center on this team ! He would be a second line center on a lot of teams, and not to mention, those three account for $22mil. Half of our defense are UFA's. I don't expect Gonchar to be back along with Eaton and maybe Leopold. So, we have a lot of work to do. Three D-men spot needs to be filled. We need at least two top six wingers, but reality says that we don't have the money to go after a Marleau. Our farm system has a lot of quality D-men and I expect two to join the main team next year. However, there are no wingers ( traded them all last three years for cup runs ), and with the money situation right now, we have to bring in likes of Afiginov to fill in. Eventually, one of Malkin or Staal will be traded. If you ask me, it is going to be Malkin in a year or two. That $9 mil salary will have to be sacrificed. I don't like it one bit, but that is the reality.

Subban is a star already. You guys have a ton of great D-men. Maybe, trading one or two with Carey Price will fetch you that elite center. Jumbo Joe maybe? or Lecavlier ( if he waves his NTC- Steve Y should do that ).
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No Jumbo Joe within 100 km of the Habs dressing room please. We need players who will raise their games in the playoff, not hide and shrink when the bright lights are on. Jumbo Joe wasn't even the best Joe in the San Jose team. Habs need to get rid of Scott Gomez. Unfortunately, no team wants to shoulder his massive contract. In the current salary cap era no team can afford to play 8 millions for a player who can only get you points playing on pp with skilled players. His wrist shot is so weak it won't beat Ontario Hockey League goalies. Since we can't get rid of his contract, I would have him kill penalties, clean the dirty towels, sharpen Camalleri's skates...oh wait he might be inept at that too. I will borrow a line from the oft funny former coach of the Toronto Raptors and say what all the Habs fans want to say:"do us all a favour, quit."

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Old May 27, 2010, 12:22 AM
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I hope the hawks destroy the Flyers. And you can probably guess why from my screen name :p also...they have the worst fans in sports. I've been to the Wachovia center (And many other NHL arenas)...and they are by far the most classless group in the league. They don't deserve the cup.
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Old May 27, 2010, 09:58 AM
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I had no knowledge that Gomez was earning $8 mil! wow..that is just too much. That is only $700,000 less than Crosby or Malkin! Lot of dough. That contract is unmovable, unlike Malkin's, who will fetch us good return if we decide to move him at some point. You guys are stuck. In NHL, all contracts are final words, unlike NFL, where a team can cut you anytime without paying, or re-structure a contract. Word out here is Oilers showing interest for Malkin for Eberle, Cogliano and no.1 pick ( Hall or Seguin ). What do you think?

About philly fans? Well..they are the worst. No matter what sports it is. If I start telling you stories, you guys will fall asleep, since the list is so long. I will tell you one. A few years ago, I went to a Philly-Pirates game ( don't ask why I went to see Pirates ) in Philly. My cousin was attending Penn at that time. He was a freshman. We went together as I was in Philly for business. Poor guy had a Pirates hat on ( born and raised in Pittsburgh ). He had to get up in the middle of the game and go to the restroom. Half an hour passed and he didn't come back. I thought he went to get some food or a drink. I called him. He didn't answer. Got worried and went to the concourse looking for him. Then I saw some policemen and paramedics attending someone near the bathroom door. It was him. When he was in line in the bathroom, some a-holes were harrassing him and making fun of his hat and Steelers T-shirt ( we just won the SB that year ). He didn't pay attention. He was at the urinal and doing his business, then suddely someone from the back shoved him so hard, that he hit his head on the wall and his mouth got smashed on the urinal flush. Blood, lost tooth, and stitches later..They could never find the guy (s ) responsible, and this is at a regular season low key sport named baseball...
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Old May 27, 2010, 03:30 PM
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^That's just awful! When I went there for a Flyers Habs game in 2008, some guy told me to go back to Canada...I said 'Sure! and can I take all the Canadian players with me that play for your team?' that shut him up This playoff year, they honked their cars all night infront of the Hotel the Habs players were staying at before the day of the game, vandalized cars with Quebec license plates and boo-ed the Canadian anthem (As usual). classless!

About Gomez...yes he's unmovable. his cap hit is $7.4M...not $8M btw. But we got him for free basically (Higgins, prospect and a draft pick) and he's a good two way player. so it's not so bad. I think he has another 80 point season left in him while with us in the next 4 years. Great speed and good playmaking skills...all he gotta do is score a bit more often and atleast hit the 20 goal plateau.

Question to Beamer...would you accept: Markov or Subban, Price or Halak, Gionta, 1st round pick for Malkin? I wanna know what pens fans are expecting to get in return for Gino
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Old May 27, 2010, 11:11 PM
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About Gomez...yes he's unmovable. his cap hit is $7.4M...not $8M btw. But we got him for free basically (Higgins, prospect and a draft pick) and he's a good two way player. so it's not so bad. I think he has another 80 point season left in him while with us in the next 4 years. Great speed and good playmaking skills...all he gotta do is score a bit more often and atleast hit the 20 goal plateau.

Question to Beamer...would you accept: Markov or Subban, Price or Halak, Gionta, 1st round pick for Malkin? I wanna know what pens fans are expecting to get in return for Gino
Ok, it's not quite 8 but it's in same ball park. It will be 8 million next year is it not? Even with your suggested estimate of 7.4 million for a guy whop doesn't even a wrist shot is at least 5 million too many. I am sure there are plenty of guys in the OHL, QMJHL, WHL with more accurate and faster snapper than him. You think he is speedy? How many times do you recall him winning puck races or getting breakaways? I will list some players who are fast and have playmaking skills: Alex Ovechkin, Patrick Kane, Parise. Andrew Cogliano has breakaway speed but not the hands. As a centre, you're also supposed to win faceoffs. Gomez is not great at that either. JM put Pleks on the ice every time Habs were in need of a faceoff win in the d-zone. I bet Yannick Perrault could un-retire right now and win more faceoffs than him. Let me put his offensive production into perspective for you. Plekanec who is earning much less than Gomez had 11 more points and 13 more goals than him this year. Marc Andre Bergeron (a defenseman) scored one more goal than him while playing 18 fewer games. Metropolit a bona fide 3rd to 4th liner scored 4 more goals in 11 fewer games and with goons as linemates for most of the season.

I don't get what's so great about Gomez? He was very "easy" to get because no NHL GM was going to sign him at that price. Habs are paying the price for a has been, overrated player. 80 points season is definitely not on the horizon for him. I am a Habs fan and have been since I was introduced to the game but I won't blindly worship Habs players. Bob Gainey made a huge mistake by signing him and there's no way out.

Why trade young assets for Malkin? Are we that close to winning a cup? Don't let this year's result fool you. We are more than just a centre away from being real contenders. We need at least another playmaking centre ie. superstar centre, shut down defensive specialist forward in the mould of Mike Peca, Draper, etc, and desparately in need of some size up front in the top two lines.

I've always believed that in hockey you build the team from your net out. Goaltending seems secure with Halak, the defense core is reliable but is rapidly aging however, the real gaping hole appears to be in the current group of forwards. Spacek, Hamerlik, and Hill are all 35+. Going forward Markov, Subban, and Jorges will need to shoulder the ice time and keep the older guys fresh. The lack of offensive talent in the pipeline is staggering. Hamilton Bulldogs, the affilate team of the Habs, has no player with any measureable gifted offensive ability. They are all guys who can get points on the pp and odd men rushes but are vastly inept at generating chances 5 on 5. Btw, most of the offensive forwards with the Bulldogs are all below 6 feet as well.

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Old May 28, 2010, 07:51 AM
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In any potential trade with Malkin to Habs, Subban has to be the main player, followed by a no.1 pick, a top winger prospect and another top six forward. Look what Boston got for Kessel. However, as IC pointed out, you guys dont seem to have any depth in forwards in the pipeline. Gionta? No. But, if its Cammelleri, Subban and a no.1, then YES. But, thats not going to happen. Eventually, if we trade Malkin at certain point in a next few years, it will probably involve a Western team, most notably LA. And you bet your bottom dollar that Doughty will have to be the center piece.
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Old May 28, 2010, 07:57 AM
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BTW, Super duper excited about the Winter Classic. You know I will be there. If any of one you guys manage to get a tkt, you are welcome to stay at my home and go to the game! I won't miss it for the world.
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Pens vs Caps! Sounds like a road trip is in order.
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well IC..I never argued that Gomez was worth the money. I was pointing out some bright sides in his game; this is not the place to debate Habs hockey in that much detail...come to the Habs forum..I've the same user name there

@Beamer: thanks for the invitation. Hopefully I'm not as broke when the new year arrives lol. And about the Malkin trade, you might be overestimating his value little bit. Every GM knows Pittsburgh is in a bit of an odd situation with too much invested in the center position and the goalie is inconsistent needing a plan B in that position. No GM is stupid at this level and a trade has to be mutually beneficial for both sides. Wherever Malkin goes, I think you will see similar amount of salary coming back Pittsburgh's way
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Hawks are going to hold the cup...I think.
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well IC..I never argued that Gomez was worth the money. I was pointing out some bright sides in his game; this is not the place to debate Habs hockey in that much detail...come to the Habs forum..I've the same user name there

@Beamer: thanks for the invitation. Hopefully I'm not as broke when the new year arrives lol. And about the Malkin trade, you might be overestimating his value little bit. Every GM knows Pittsburgh is in a bit of an odd situation with too much invested in the center position and the goalie is inconsistent needing a plan B in that position. No GM is stupid at this level and a trade has to be mutually beneficial for both sides. Wherever Malkin goes, I think you will see similar amount of salary coming back Pittsburgh's way
However, not all GM's are created equal! There are certain teams desperate for star power, needing a true elite 23 yr old center, who is also a scoring champ and Conn Smythe winner. If we are to trade Geno, it will certainly include high draft picks, and potential star wingers, not so much high salaried established players earning a lot of money. Anyway, its not going to happen...
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Patrick Kane wins it for Chicago. Congrats. Stanley Cup champs.
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Hawks are going to hold the cup...I think.
Good guess ...

Hawks take it! COngrats to thee Hawks!
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Congrats to the Hawks !

Now, the next year NHL thread must be opened by a Hawks fan ! That's the unwritten rule. Do we have any ?
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I doubt. So next in line would be the Flyers fans. Again, I doubt there's any.
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Congrats to the Chicago Blackhawks for winning the 2010 Stanley Cup. They thoroughly deserved it. This is a great young team that has the potential to repeat if they are able to retain majority of the players. Unfortunately, in the era of salary cap, the odds are that they will lose some of the veteran or even rising young stars to free agency or simply trade them to balance the cheques. In any case, they must retain Toews, Kane, Duncan Keith, and Seabrook. Btw the OT goal that Kane scored was very reminiscent of Crosby's goal in the olympics, which brought Canada the hockey gold.

Commiseration to the Flyers. They fought hard but lacked the forward depth and goaltending to pull off yet another epic series win. Great end to a great hockey season.
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It was interesting how Kane was the only person in the entire arena without even a hint of doubt in his mind that the puck had gone in. The silence was really bizarre. Even his teammates weren't sure.
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And the Leafs have the longest Stanley Cup drought...now that the hawks won it.
That makes 43 years for the Maple Leafs!
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once, one of my 40 yrs old (canadian) big NHL fan from stall brethers town said few years ago that hawks will win the cup in few years...I start follow them since then.....bet, he must be over the moon now!
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What a deal!

http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/748688
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What a deal!

http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/748688

Good on NHL, though they are a bit late. Circumnavigating the current CBA has been going on for a while now. Teams are front loading contracts, with insane amount of years attached to the duration of a contract, with bare minimum salaries towards the end of contracts where in most of the cases, the player in question will probably not see the end years because of age. However, the cap hit is averaged based on the amount of dollars and the years remaining on the contract.

For example : Player X signs 10 years 30 mil. Lets say , Yr 1 he gets 10 mil, Yr 2 he gets 10 mil, Yr 3 he gets 5 mil, yr 4 - 1 mil, yr 5 - 1 mil , yr 6- 1 mil, yr 7 -500,000, yr 8- 500,000, yr 9- 500,000 and yr 10- 500,000.

Now, if the player is already 34 and older, there is very little chance he will complete all ten years of the current. He will probably retire and the team will be off the hook. More importantly, the cap hit per year is $ 3 mil for that player X, since its a 10 year 30 mil deal, though the cap hit should be the salary of that player for that year, for example : 10 mil for yr 1 and so on and not 3 mil every year.

League could have stopped it when it first happened with Luongo. Then, Red Wings did it with Franzen and Zetberg. Pronger contract last year, Hossa contract last year and Savard with Boston followed the simmilar trend. However, the Devils just made that too obvious. There is no way Iyla plays until 44, and for $500,000 for last five years.
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