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Old May 3, 2013, 01:23 PM
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Thanks to those who have understood the ability of Mominul. This Mominul guy was too much over hyped in this forum. Now I think forum can fathom this guys ability. This is why I always dislike to call players in national team without proper testing. It was better to call Mominul 1/2 series later. I am afrid of Making another Shuvagoto Hom.
He looked a man with very limited ability. Neither his timing nor his foot work looked good to me. So does he have any difference with Naeem Islam???
Mominul will have to improve a lot to survive in international level. Only good thing I found in him is he is good against short ball.
So boys please dont overhype players.
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Old May 3, 2013, 03:09 PM
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It's the No.3 Position again! We will have a clear idea about Mominul's ability in the Next two ODI. I am not concerned as Anamul can make up when he returns for future match's if Mominul struggles in ODI.
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Old May 3, 2013, 05:22 PM
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Thanks to those who have understood the ability of Mominul. This Mominul guy was too much over hyped in this forum. Now I think forum can fathom this guys ability. This is why I always dislike to call players in national team without proper testing. It was better to call Mominul 1/2 series later. I am afrid of Making another Shuvagoto Hom.
He looked a man with very limited ability. Neither his timing nor his foot work looked good to me. So does he have any difference with Naeem Islam???
Mominul will have to improve a lot to survive in international level. Only good thing I found in him is he is good against short ball.
So boys please dont overhype players.
what's wrong with shuvagata hom? might not have scored consistently since his national team dropping but he looked very good out there in the few matches he did play. mominul is a good prospect, better for tests but could still be useful in ODIs if he develops his game.
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Old May 3, 2013, 06:42 PM
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we wasted so much time on guys like Nafees, Junaid, Rokibul etc... it wouldn't hurt to give Mominul a few games to find his feet. He is a very young kid with plenty of talent and the nervousness will eventually go away once he settles in. It's a huge step forward...going from our domestic league (where Elias Sunny can open) to international cricket and Mominul has done it with decent results so far. I would persist with him for the time being.
Exactly! It's not as if he did not contribute at all. If he also tried to slog and got out, would Nasir be able to do what he did. No argument that he needs to improve his calling and rotating strikes. But, he is young and should be given the time, since he was called in.
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Old May 3, 2013, 06:47 PM
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Mominul obviously with his size reminds me of a young Mushy. Good compact technique and has solid temperament. You guys do remember how long it took for Mushy to be the kind of player he is now though right? Despite him having the look of a solid player, it took him years to get to that class stage as a batsman. Even now, while we Mushy has a pretty good record in Tests, his ODI record is still not great.

Patience is key with Mominul. He's a player that can definitely bat at this level. With the right type of support, I can see him be a solid batsman
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Old May 3, 2013, 07:34 PM
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Not too fussed about him. I think he has the makings to be a very good player. His temperament is a let down for him though. With his technique he doesn't need to go after every single ball outside off which he seems to do. Needs to learn to pick out the balls which should be spanked for a boundary (which Nasir does seamlessly) and the ones that he can run for ones and twos.

He looks very comfortable in tests though.
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what's wrong with shuvagata hom? might not have scored consistently since his national team dropping but he looked very good out there in the few matches he did play. mominul is a good prospect, better for tests but could still be useful in ODIs if he develops his game.
Hom was a promising player and yes, he did look a bit good. But ever since his debut, he has been very ordinary.

Even in the BPL, he was a complete failure
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I hate when people use BPL performances to judge if a player is good or not. T20 is a very hot and cold format.
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Old May 3, 2013, 11:10 PM
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Mominul obviously with his size reminds me of a young Mushy. Good compact technique and has solid temperament. You guys do remember how long it took for Mushy to be the kind of player he is now though right? Despite him having the look of a solid player, it took him years to get to that class stage as a batsman. Even now, while we Mushy has a pretty good record in Tests, his ODI record is still not great.

Patience is key with Mominul. He's a player that can definitely bat at this level. With the right type of support, I can see him be a solid batsman
I like Mominul's technique and temperament very much but that's in test; I do not think he's got what it takes for the shorter formats. He may well adapt and get better, like Mushy, but the question is, does our team have the luxury or the patience to risk a spot to mold a player when more suitable players are available?
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Old May 3, 2013, 11:14 PM
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What mgmt. had done with Riyadh (batting order wise) to put his test form at risk; I am afraid, they are doing the same with Mominul (format wise). Instead of criticizing how badly Mominul is performing in the one-dayers, we should ask whether he is suitable to perform in that format. To me the answer is a big NO.....at least not what he showed so far in the shorter format. So why experiment and kill his confidence in short format which may lead into killing his test future as well. I think taking him, instead of Shamsur, in the one day team in this Zin series is more of a "devil that you do know is better than the one you don't" attitude. I think a little bit of risk against the sides that are lower than ours may yield better result.
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two games for Mominul to show what he can do ..... and he is still young and has a long long time to improve.

he has success of scoring big runs when he toured SA and WI with the academy or u-19 or A team. that means he has some talent and temperament. lets see how much time it takes to adapt at the big stage.
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I'm not so sure he can stick around the limited overs side. But he looks great in Tests...just needs to focus on staying at the crease longer. But I really like his off drives and range of strokes.
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I'm not so sure he can stick around the limited overs side. But he looks great in Tests...just needs to focus on staying at the crease longer. But I really like his off drives and range of strokes.
He has technical (being "compact" doesn't mean you have good "technique") and temperamental issues that need to be rectified. His RBW is appalling as is some of his shot selection under pressure. His strike rotation is VERY iffy. I hope harsh criticism lights a fire under his little @$$ and he starts working on those issues ON HIS OWN. I DO NOT want him to fail because despite his flaws because he still looks better than the proven failures and disappointments no longer in the team. He deserves a longer run than they IMHO. He's not a "compact" little full toss and half volley blocker depending on luck to score streaky and KaEdgy runs to score, and I love that about him.
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I think he needs to know his limitations.
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Old May 4, 2013, 04:09 AM
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Weird, because even in every single List A, or even test matches, Mominul was scoring at 90+ strikerate. Not sure if he's deliberately limiting himself to be honest.
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Shuja Bhai we must not compare list-A with international cricket.
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Old May 4, 2013, 04:28 AM
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what's wrong with shuvagata hom? might not have scored consistently since his national team dropping but he looked very good out there in the few matches he did play. mominul is a good prospect, better for tests but could still be useful in ODIs if he develops his game.
There was nothing wrong with Shuvagoto.
Wrong is our selectors. They bring players in national team without adequet testing.
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Old May 4, 2013, 04:33 AM
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what's wrong with shuvagata hom? might not have scored consistently since his national team dropping but he looked very good out there in the few matches he did play. mominul is a good prospect, better for tests but could still be useful in ODIs if he develops his game.
There was nothing wrong with Shuvagoto.
Wrong in our selectors. They bring players in national team without adequet testing. Both Shuvagoto and Mominul are talented player. But they came in national team with very limited FC experience. Now they are struggling in internstional level. This type of immature player selection can halt the progress of the player.
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What I like about Mominul is his temperament. When he comes to the wicket, does'nt give me feelings that he would give his wicket away cheaply. His strike is in a bit downside but with experience I hope he will improve that. So I am up for keeping him in all three fromats
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There was nothing wrong with Shuvagoto.
Wrong in our selectors. They bring players in national team without adequet testing. Both Shuvagoto and Mominul are talented player. But they came in national team with very limited FC experience. Now they are struggling in internstional level. This type of immature player selection can halt the progress of the player.
How exactly did shuvagata struggle? Averaged 35 and was dropped the next series.
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Shuja Bhai we must not compare list-A with international cricket.
First, I did not.
Second, why not? To answer this, you need to write an analysis that is worthy of passing peer-review in an international journal. From your work on the highlights, I am sure you can do this.
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I'm not so sure he can stick around the limited overs side. But he looks great in Tests...just needs to focus on staying at the crease longer. But I really like his off drives and range of strokes.
When you go from our domesticated league to international competition, it's a different ball game. Although he has not succumbed to it, Mominul must be a bit overwhelmed right now. This is why I prefer the young players to play a number of matches with the A team before being thrust into the international cricket.

Having said that, you cannot teach height! Similarly, you cannot teach attitude (not really) and Mominul has the right attitude to succeed. There are many shortcomings in his game. The biggest two are calling and rotating strike. I think he should be only in the test team for now. If he is willing to work hard, he can address his weaknesses and become a star.
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He also needs to work on his bowling. No one is expecting him to become a strike bowler. But, if he can bowl accurately, he can help his cause.
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Old May 4, 2013, 07:34 AM
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Mominul seems a talented player but so far he have not delivered much. He need to work hard as Naeem is his biggest opponent to grab #4 in tests.
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When you go from our domesticated league to international competition, it's a different ball game. Although he has not succumbed to it, Mominul must be a bit overwhelmed right now. This is why I prefer the young players to play a number of matches with the A team before being thrust into the international cricket.

Having said that, you cannot teach height! Similarly, you cannot teach attitude (not really) and Mominul has the right attitude to succeed. There are many shortcomings in his game. The biggest two are calling and rotating strike. I think he should be only in the test team for now. If he is willing to work hard, he can address his weaknesses and become a star.
Number three is the toughest spot to bat and we haven't found anyone in the last decade who could do the job convincingly. I believe Mominul's strike rate won't be a problem once he settles in because he played some good attacking knocks in the t-20 format. He is not a Naeem Islam who will forever be a hard working player with limited ability. Mominul has talent and if we remember the tamim who had no onside shots, who used to get bogged down and keep going down the wicket to pace bowlers and compare him to the Tamim of today then we would know that these technical problems can be overcome if there is ability. Mominul and Anamul are both here to stay and its just a matter of time in my opinion.
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