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That'll likely be the lineup for ODIs Night Wolf. Wouldn't mind that lineup at all
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October 20, 2013, 11:20 PM
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But knowing our selectors, they might put Ayub to open in place of Anam coz Ayub is n better touch
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riyad is an option in the shorter formats, i don't know about up the order but batting at about #7 or even #6 he's probably a better option than mominul.
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man I was hopeful about Raj Razzaq but the way he has performed so far I have to say that Ryad would have done much better than Raj as a bowler.
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We would been so much better off with Riyad than Razzak in Tests. It's now clear as daylight.
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my ODI line up
tamim
naeem
mominul
mushfiq
shakib
nasir
riad
zia
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sohag gazi
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October 22, 2013, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Night_wolf
with his mentality of not wanting to play higher up the order its again the question where will you play him?
Odi team would look like this
1.tamim
2.anamul
3.??
4.??
5.shakib
6.Mushy
7.Nasir
8.Gazi
9.Mash
10.Razzak
11.Jodu modu fast bowler
so where do you put riyad?, he has been good in ODIs, but only way we can put riyad in this team if mushy bats at number 4 and i dont think thats an ideal position for mushy
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Odi team would look like this
1.tamim
2.anamul
3........
4.Shakib
5.Mushy
6.Nasir
7.Riyad
8.Gazi
9.Mash
10.Razzak
11.Rubel
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I reckon it’s the perfect time to sack Riyad from VC position and get someone in who can man up and do whatever the team is require. Just lost his place in the test team (only himself to blame), and will do in ODI too at this rate (if Nasir/Mominul gets more bowling from Mushy than I don’t see why he shouldn't get drop even for next odi we play so we can accommodate Gazi, Lalla + 2 pacers).
I’m aware of his ODI performance recently, which is very good but I think we need someone as a VC who can play for the team with responsibility(Riyad surely lacks that) and can bat/bowl anywhere where his team requires. Batting him at number 8 doesn’t make any sense. He is stuck in JS era, where they only used to play for personal milestone.
Shak should be the VC (as he is likely to be the Captain again)
Nasir is my 2nd option along with Tamim.
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Nadim, agreed. I think this would be my team:
1. Tamim
2. Anamul
3. Mominul (hoping he'll come good in this format too)/Naeem
4. Naeem/Mominul
5. Shakib
6. Mushy
7. Nasir
8. Zia (jodi laigga jaay, plus I want him to open the bowling with Mash)
9. Mash
10. Razzak
11. Shafiul (Zia/Mash can't bowl in the death, so someone's gotta do it)
Three spinners (including Naeem), three pacers, one and a half of them threatening to be useless. I think we'll win 3-0.
Plus the batting strength of that tail renders Riyad useless.
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i like nasir as VC. i agree riyad should no longer be vice captain.
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Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Nadim, agreed. I think this would be my team:
1. Tamim
2. Anamul
3. Mominul (hoping he'll come good in this format too)/Naeem
4. Naeem/Mominul
5. Shakib
6. Mushy
7. Nasir
8. Zia (jodi laigga jaay, plus I want him to open the bowling with Mash)
9. Mash
10. Razzak
11. Shafiul (Zia/Mash can't bowl in the death, so someone's gotta do it)
Three spinners (including Naeem), three pacers, one and a half of them threatening to be useless. I think we'll win 3-0.
Plus the batting strength of that tail renders Riyad useless.
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u r probbaly out of your mind right lol ? this guy riyad average more than 55 on last 10 odi matches , help us to win the 5 match odi series against WI , he made 75 on last odi match that bd played against zim , didnt have to mention how many wicket he got , and u r still not happy for odi performance lol
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I think Ryad has already established himself as an ODI specialist, I think it is good for him.
He has been quite good with the bat in the last 3 ODI series.
vs WI :
3* , 52, 56* , 48
vs Sri:
29 , TDNB , 6
vs Zim :
36 , 31 , 75*
I'm very much looking forward to see him vs NZ(only in ODI, not the T20) , hope he does well with the bat & his bowling is a bonus.
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I think Ryad has already established himself as an ODI specialist, I think it is good for him.
He has been quite good with the bat in the last 3 ODI series.
vs WI :
3* , 52, 56* , 48
vs Sri:
29 , TDNB , 6
vs Zim :
36 , 31 , 75*
I'm very much looking forward to see him vs NZ(only in ODI, not the T20) , hope he does well with the bat & his bowling is a bonus.
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bro i agree with u but i guess musfiq dont want to see him in the team cz of captaincy , their is noone can be captain at this time rather than mahmudullah if musfiq flop , nasir is too young and not that experience , so riyad is the only option , this is why he selected razzak new batsman lyk marshall ahead of him even tho they were inexperience , i just feel bad for riayd cz i see he is unlucky , people just dont wanna appreciate his value
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bro i agree with u but i guess musfiq dont want to see him in the team cz of captaincy , their is noone can be captain at this time rather than mahmudullah if musfiq flop , nasir is too young and not that experience , so riyad is the only option , this is why he selected razzak new batsman lyk marshall ahead of him even tho they were inexperience , i just feel bad for riayd cz i see he is unlucky , people just dont wanna appreciate his value
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I'm afraid this is the only line I agree with you bro.
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bro i agree with u but i guess musfiq dont want to see him in the team cz of captaincy , their is noone can be captain at this time rather than mahmudullah if musfiq flop , nasir is too young and not that experience , so riyad is the only option , this is why he selected razzak new batsman lyk marshall ahead of him even tho they were inexperience , i just feel bad for riayd cz i see he is unlucky , people just dont wanna appreciate his value
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Zahidnyc is back guys...riyad couldn't even hold on to his captaincy for Chitagong Kings, forget about National Captaincy
but i see riyad as the BD captain in the future..he'll be the perfect "Kodombusi" man for the culprits in BCB
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if Ryad becomes captain then it will be time to quit watching cricket
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bro i agree with u but i guess musfiq dont want to see him in the team cz of captaincy , their is noone can be captain at this time rather than mahmudullah if musfiq flop , nasir is too young and not that experience , so riyad is the only option , this is why he selected razzak new batsman lyk marshall ahead of him even tho they were inexperience , i just feel bad for riayd cz i see he is unlucky , people just dont wanna appreciate his value
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Zahid is back folks. His 300th acc. To support riyad. what a lifr he must have.
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Nadim, agreed. I think this would be my team:
1. Tamim
2. Anamul
3. Mominul (hoping he'll come good in this format too)/Naeem
4. Naeem/Mominul
5. Shakib
6. Mushy
7. Nasir
8. Zia (jodi laigga jaay, plus I want him to open the bowling with Mash)
9. Mash
10. Razzak
11. Shafiul (Zia/Mash can't bowl in the death, so someone's gotta do it)
Three spinners (including Naeem), three pacers, one and a half of them threatening to be useless. I think we'll win 3-0.
Plus the batting strength of that tail renders Riyad useless.
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LOL at riad being the best choice for captain.
Even Raj can captain a side better and I am not joking
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Guys I agree about Riyad not being the VC. He shouldn't have been one to begin with since he was handed it when he was still yet to nail his spot in the team, especially in tests.
I gotta disagree however about not having him in the XI. Since the WC, his average has been a 50 and a SR of an 82. Not only that but he also played some match winning knocks against the WI. Him and Mushy stood up in that series while Tamim failed besides 1 match. His average also is a 41 this year.
Also take a look at this link.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/668915.html
Our middle order in ODIs since the WC is the 2nd best only behind in average and 5th in SR. Of course a lot of that has to do with the fact that Shakib, Mushy, Nasir are there but Riyad should get a lot of credit as well. He might have his flaws but he's still one of our best performers in ODIs.
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I said that when he was appointed as a vc.
it will be hard but ill do it
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Guys I agree about Riyad not being the VC. He shouldn't have been one to begin with since he was handed it when he was still yet to nail his spot in the team, especially in tests.
I gotta disagree however about not having him in the XI. Since the WC, his average has been a 50 and a SR of an 82. Not only that but he also played some match winning knocks against the WI. Him and Mushy stood up in that series while Tamim failed besides 1 match. His average also is a 41 this year.
Also take a look at this link.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/668915.html
Our middle order in ODIs since the WC is the 2nd best only behind in average and 5th in SR. Of course a lot of that has to do with the fact that Shakib, Mushy, Nasir are there but Riyad should get a lot of credit as well. He might have his flaws but he's still one of our best performers in ODIs.
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i think it comes down to circumstance as it has done in tests and i don't think it's a coincidence. riyad has basically shot himself in the foot by being unwilling to move up the order, he's limited himself to batting in positions where it comes down to team dynamic and selection.
i would really like to know what's going on in his head, does he really think they'll always select a batsman/batting all rounder for the #8 position? maybe he thinks he's just that good that they can't pass him up (in which case he's wrong), or maybe he's just so stubborn that's the only place he'll agree to bat. in any case it's unrealistic to consistently have a batsman/batting all rounder at #8 every match, if that is really where he wants to play then he's going to have to do a lot of hard work with his bowling so that he can compete with other specialist spinners.
unless he believes they'll pick him ahead of the likes of nasir and shakib....i just don't see any logic to why he won't bat higher up the order, and the thing is the longer he keeps this attitude the more the gap closes for him to actually find a spot in the team. his only option now is pretty much the #3 spot or transforming into an opener. he could get the #7 spot in ODIs but for that they have to bat mominul/naeem or whoever at #3 then move mushy, shakib and nasir up the order, which is quite possible but there is also a chance that they pick both mominul and naeem, play them at 3/4 and drop riyad.
naeem can easily be used in a similar fashion to riyad on the bowling front, their records are pretty similar except riyad has just played more, however on the batting front naeem is willing to bat up the order and riyad isn't so that could be the deciding factor of his fate despite having a good batting record in his last few matches.
i think they'll probably play mominul at 3, then have shakib, mushy, nasir (in whatever order) allowing riyad to hold his place for now, but if riyad is to have a dip in form then they could tag him out for naeem.
the main difference between riyad and naeem is that naeem will bat up and riyad won't, the other difference is riyad has a better ODI batting record than naeem, but with nasir being such a successful lower order bat i don't think the selectors, team management, captain would hesitate to put nasir at 7 with mushy and shakib above him and have naeem/mominul in the 3 and 4 positions if riyad was to dip in form. if that was to happen riyad's spot would then come down to whether naeem could secure his spot or not.
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i think it comes down to circumstance as it has done in tests and i don't think it's a coincidence. riyad has basically shot himself in the foot by being unwilling to move up the order, he's limited himself to batting in positions where it comes down to team dynamic and selection.
i would really like to know what's going on in his head, does he really think they'll always select a batsman/batting all rounder for the #8 position? maybe he thinks he's just that good that they can't pass him up (in which case he's wrong), or maybe he's just so stubborn that's the only place he'll agree to bat. in any case it's unrealistic to consistently have a batsman/batting all rounder at #8 every match, if that is really where he wants to play then he's going to have to do a lot of hard work with his bowling so that he can compete with other specialist spinners.
unless he believes they'll pick him ahead of the likes of nasir and shakib....i just don't see any logic to why he won't bat higher up the order, and the thing is the longer he keeps this attitude the more the gap closes for him to actually find a spot in the team. his only option now is pretty much the #3 spot or transforming into an opener. he could get the #7 spot in ODIs but for that they have to bat mominul/naeem or whoever at #3 then move mushy, shakib and nasir up the order, which is quite possible but there is also a chance that they pick both mominul and naeem, play them at 3/4 and drop riyad.
naeem can easily be used in a similar fashion to riyad on the bowling front, their records are pretty similar except riyad has just played more, however on the batting front naeem is willing to bat up the order and riyad isn't so that could be the deciding factor of his fate despite having a good batting record in his last few matches.
i think they'll probably play mominul at 3, then have shakib, mushy, nasir (in whatever order) allowing riyad to hold his place for now, but if riyad is to have a dip in form then they could tag him out for naeem.
the main difference between riyad and naeem is that naeem will bat up and riyad won't, the other difference is riyad has a better ODI batting record than naeem, but with nasir being such a successful lower order bat i don't think the selectors, team management, captain would hesitate to put nasir at 7 with mushy and shakib above him and have naeem/mominul in the 3 and 4 positions if riyad was to dip in form. if that was to happen riyad's spot would then come down to whether naeem could secure his spot or not.
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I think Riyad's unwilling to move up to for Tests. In ODIs I think he's fine with moving up. I remember he said he's willing to bat wherever the team wants him to for ODIs. It's just Tests where he doesn't want to bat that high. He batted there against Pakistan in 2011 although he wasn't persisted at 3.
I agree though, we can easily have Naeem in since he's more willing to bat up the order and can do similar things Riyad can. So we could drop everyone down and then have Naeem and Mominul in.
I'm fine with either tbh but since Mushy, Shakib, Nasir and Riyad have worked out well for us in that order, my question is should we change it? Instead of 2 unproven batsmen, we'd be throwing in 3 at the expense of Riyad.
If it was up to me, I'd keep it the way it is and have. Mominul bat at 3 which would mean Naeem would unfortunately have to miss out.
1 good thing is that we can afford to be flexible nowadays which we couldn't say before.
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I think Riyad's unwilling to move up to for Tests. In ODIs I think he's fine with moving up. I remember he said he's willing to bat wherever the team wants him to for ODIs. It's just Tests where he doesn't want to bat that high. He batted there against Pakistan in 2011 although he wasn't persisted at 3.
I agree though, we can easily have Naeem in since he's more willing to bat up the order and can do similar things Riyad can. So we could drop everyone down and then have Naeem and Mominul in.
I'm fine with either tbh but since Mushy, Shakib, Nasir and Riyad have worked out well for us in that order, my question is should we change it? Instead of 2 unproven batsmen, we'd be throwing in 3 at the expense of Riyad.
If it was up to me, I'd keep it the way it is and have. Mominul bat at 3 which would mean Naeem would unfortunately have to miss out.
1 good thing is that we can afford to be flexible nowadays which we couldn't say before.
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yeah at this stage i'd do the same. not just because riyad and the others have been working, but as good as it was for naeem to comeback into the test team play up the order and score a ton, and even though he got a half century batting at #3 not that long ago in a ODI against WI, he even has a pretty good list A record but he hasn't got the best record in ODIs regardless of where he has batted.
so really it's probably more of a gamble to drop riyad and bring in naeem to bat up the order than it is to just keep riyad down at #7 and leave out naeem. or if naeem is to play it should be at #3 but for that mominul would have to be left out and i don't think we should do that.
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every batsman should have the faith in themselves to play anywhere in the batting order. You can have your favorite position but you got to believe you can succeed anywhere. Also your favorite batting position cannot be no 7-8. Anamul was not an opener but opened inTests. Refusing to bat in the top order is an acceptance of not having the skill and ability to face the new ball or bat under pressure.
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