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September 8, 2017, 10:06 AM
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Apples vs. Oranges
র্যাংকিং খেলোয়াড় রেটিং
১৬ তামিম ইকবাল ৬৭৯
১৮ সাকিব আল হাসান ৬৬৮
২২ মুশফিকুর রহিম ৬৫৮
৩৭ মোমিনুল হক ৫৭৭
৫৪ মাহমুদুল্লাহ রিয়াদ ৪৭০
৬১ সৌম্য সরকার ৪৫৮
৭১ ইমরুল কায়েস ৪০৪
৭৩ সাব্বির রহমান ৩৯৯
৭৫ নাসির হোসেন ৩৯২
৯২ মোসাদ্দেক হোসেন ৩৪৮
9 764 H.M. Amla SA 907
12 729 Q. de Kock SA 802
17 674 D. Elgar SA 740
18 668 F. du Plessis SA 710
40 562 T. Bavuma SA 563
46 517 J-P. Duminy SA 593
59 467 S.C. Cook SA 638
64 442 V.D. Philander SA 457
This leadership is like a radar-less ship. To succeed we need a different captain who can motivate and advocate at the right time to strike. Does not surrender to any pair of batsmen and let the game run away. I can hardly imagine an overseas success be achieved with current captain. Drastic improvement in fielding is also essential.
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September 8, 2017, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 5tonne
What are you talking about? It's a very common practice to save youngsters from debuting against tough opponents so that they don't stumble in the beginning of their career. I can give you Australian examples for that. http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/...fec31982cc837d. Here an experienced Batsman like Phillip Hughes was not played against SA, the team who debuted against and played very well because by then his weakness against pace was well established. The selectors didn't want to destroy his confidence before bringing him back to the national side. And you are talking about fresh new blood.
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I never said it doesn't happen, it does, players are sometimes protected from away tours. Now I'm not going to go through heaps of players, it's time wasting an exhausting but here are a few more recent ones from the top of my head that I will name who debuted away from home: lokesh Rahul- Australia, rabada - India, broad - Sri Lanka, boult -Australia, Amir -Sri Lanka, Wagner - West Indies, joe root -India, Kane Williamson-India, Steve smith - England, virat kohli - West Indies.
I'm not saying it's common, and probably someone will jump on me because I only named a handful from a 15 year period. It's nearly 1:30 in the morning where I am so I couldn't care less, if you want more names go look them up yourself. Sometimes you need to take a risk, but as you can see with the players I mentioned they still have had good careers so I don't think any of them have been destroyed by debuting away from home.
The thing is a place like South Africa is better for fast bowling than Bangladesh so really what is the issue here? It definitely should not be because of the location imo. The age reasoning is more valid than the location in this particular situation for the reason I just gave.
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September 8, 2017, 12:44 PM
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Lol at people including Sabbir in the 11.. rather have Riyad for 30s and 40s..
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September 8, 2017, 04:26 PM
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Sabbir does the same 30's but at least he's young, Ullah is a broken record at this point in tests
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September 8, 2017, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gowza
I mentioned players from across different eras to prove a point, fast bowlers have played from a young age in all eras. I also named about 10 or so from the last 15 years. Anderson, broad, morkel, southee, boult, sharma, Starc, Amir, Joseph, roach, rabada. 9 out of this 11 were 21 or younger on debut.
Some of these players are injury prone, others aren't. Broad and Anderson have played over 100 test matches, morkel 78. Rabada is less than 1 year older than saifuddin and has already played 20 test matches, is he constantly injured? He's only played 37 FC matches with 20 of them being tests so saifuddin has played more FC cricket than rabada did before his debut.
You don't have to agree with the debut of saifuddin that is fine, I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone, but I've backed it up and it is what it is. See this is why I don't post as much as I used to because nowadays if you disagree with someone you're going to be relentlessly argued with almost like an attack rather than offering different points of view and respecting each other.
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I already said age doesn't define everything, it's physical maturity, Rabada is solidly built
Anderson is a freak of nature, he's one of the greatest athletes Britain has ever produced
Southee and Boult both have had injury problems, but ok
Starc is riddled with injuries
Amir was at risk of a career ending back injury if it wasn't for the ban
Roach, are you serious, even tonight he talked about his serious injury issues that has made him change his game
The thing I disagree with is the notion that being 50/50 at whether he would get injured is ok in your mind for him to play, it should be probable that he stays fit for him to play, it's stupid to take risks with young players, debuting Saifuddin might work, that no one knows, what no one can deny is the risk, I certainly believe risking him at this stage and not a year down the line is a mistake
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September 8, 2017, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jadukor
Test cricket in South Africa is not the right avenue to give youngsters an exposure. It is basically throwing them in the deep end against Morkel Philander and co and setting them up to fail miserably. I am sure once a Mosaddek score 3 ducks people will call for his head in all formats. Youngsters should get exposed through A team tours or through being in the squad for the limited overs side.
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Why do we assume Mosaddek would score 3 ducks? And if he does, what about Riyad who has half the FC average of a Mosaddek. Riyad is not an answer.
If a youngster bags 3 ducks in SA, he should still be given a nice long run in the side. Anyone can score 3 ducks to start their career. Attapattu had 3 ducks to start his career I believe and Tendulkar had 2 ducks to start his ODI career.
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September 8, 2017, 06:12 PM
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Things must be bad when we are contemplating bringing Riyad back into the team
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September 8, 2017, 06:36 PM
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Bijoy in?
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September 8, 2017, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Why do we assume Mosaddek would score 3 ducks? And if he does, what about Riyad who has half the FC average of a Mosaddek. Riyad is not an answer.
If a youngster bags 3 ducks in SA, he should still be given a nice long run in the side. Anyone can score 3 ducks to start their career. Attapattu had 3 ducks to start his career I believe and Tendulkar had 2 ducks to start his ODI career.
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I wasnt saying replace mosaddek with ryad. I want mosaddek shanto and ryad in the test side replacing shabbir kayes and soumya. I would like youngsters totally new to international cricket not to be tried on a South Africa tour. They should tried on home series, A team tours and limited overs format to ease them into international cricket. Composition of the Test side in my view should lean towards experience.
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September 8, 2017, 08:20 PM
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How many lefties in top order this time...morkel with em alive
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September 8, 2017, 10:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadukor
I wasnt saying replace mosaddek with ryad. I want mosaddek shanto and ryad in the test side replacing shabbir kayes and soumya. I would like youngsters totally new to international cricket not to be tried on a South Africa tour. They should tried on home series, A team tours and limited overs format to ease them into international cricket. Composition of the Test side in my view should lean towards experience.
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Mosa and shanto are inexperienced though...
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September 8, 2017, 10:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadukor
I wasnt saying replace mosaddek with ryad. I want mosaddek shanto and ryad in the test side replacing shabbir kayes and soumya. I would like youngsters totally new to international cricket not to be tried on a South Africa tour. They should tried on home series, A team tours and limited overs format to ease them into international cricket. Composition of the Test side in my view should lean towards experience.
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The problem is we don't get A team tours. For some reason the BCB is unwilling to arrange them. We might not get tours to India, Eng, or AUS, but we should be able to get A team tours to NZ, SA, WI.
We also play 1 home series per year and we really can't experiment there because we need to win as many of the home Tests as we can.
Although I wouldn't say playing Mosaddek is an experiment since he is our leading first class batter. But guys like Soumya, Sabbir, Miraz, even Taskin and Fizz are basically experiments.
I've just seen enough of Riyad to feel that he can't bring much value to the Test side. An attractive 70 from Mominul in SA would be good because you know Mominul has the capability to score hundreds. But if Riyad gets out for the same score, you'd know thats it.
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September 8, 2017, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rana Melb
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Please NO !
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September 9, 2017, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
The problem is we don't get A team tours. For some reason the BCB is unwilling to arrange them. We might not get tours to India, Eng, or AUS, but we should be able to get A team tours to NZ, SA, WI.
We also play 1 home series per year and we really can't experiment there because we need to win as many of the home Tests as we can.
Although I wouldn't say playing Mosaddek is an experiment since he is our leading first class batter. But guys like Soumya, Sabbir, Miraz, even Taskin and Fizz are basically experiments.
I've just seen enough of Riyad to feel that he can't bring much value to the Test side. An attractive 70 from Mominul in SA would be good because you know Mominul has the capability to score hundreds. But if Riyad gets out for the same score, you'd know thats it.
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Ullah won't cross 48 in south africa
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September 9, 2017, 06:33 AM
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Whichever Test XI we choose, we will be doomed in SA.
I am only looking forward to the odi series.
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September 9, 2017, 11:56 AM
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Any news on Mosaddek yet?
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September 9, 2017, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 5tonne
Any news on Mosaddek yet?
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Hes going to Bangkok as his eye hasnt improved, so he might miss out SA series.
Knowing Hathuri, could be the end Mosaddek's career as its the perfect excuse to now include Imrul or Sabbir or Alok Kapali.
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September 9, 2017, 04:21 PM
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Shanto may got a chance...2 hundreds in England
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September 9, 2017, 09:02 PM
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Daily Star reports that Mosaddek is "highly unlikely" to make the SA squad. He will be off to Bankok to get his eyes looked at.
My XI in SA would be the following:
Tamim
Soumya
Mushfiq
Mominul
Shakib
Nasir/Sabbir (Mosaddek comes in when fit)
Liton
Miraz
Taskin
Ibadat
Mustafiz
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September 9, 2017, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Daily Star reports that Mosaddek is "highly unlikely" to make the SA squad. He will be off to Bankok to get his eyes looked at.
My XI in SA would be the following:
Tamim
Soumya
Mushfiq
Mominul
Shakib
Nasir/Sabbir (Mosaddek comes in when fit)
Liton
Miraz
Taskin
Ibadat
Mustafiz
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Not sure ebadat is ready...looks good but doesn't take wickets...
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September 9, 2017, 09:58 PM
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my test squad
tamim
anamul
mominul
mushfiq
shakib
sabbir
Liton (wk)
saifuddin
miraz
mustafiz
shahid
bench: shahriar nafees/ naeem islam, soumya sarker, taskin,mosaddek (if fit) or nazmul hossain shanto
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September 9, 2017, 10:05 PM
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tamim
soumya
sabbir
mushfiq
shakib
mahmudullah
mosaddek/ miraz
mashrafi
taskin
mustafiz
rubel
bench: shafiul, saifuddin, kayes
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September 9, 2017, 10:10 PM
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When did shahid last play? He's surely not match fit.
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September 10, 2017, 08:36 AM
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My XI would be -
Tamim
LKD
Momin
Riyad
Shakib
Mushfiq
Sabbir
Miraz
Taskin
Kamrul
Fizz
Bench: Shafiul, Ebadat, Soumya, Shanto
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September 10, 2017, 09:17 AM
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"Cricbuzz has learnt that pacers Rubel Hossain and Kamrul Islam are set to be recalled, in a bid to strengthen the bowling unit while all-rounder Mahmudullah and wicketkeeper Nurul Hasan could be drafted back into the squad as well.
"We (team management) considered the overseas form of Mahmudullah crucial behind his selection", a member of team management told Cricbuzz. "Nurul is our best wicket-keeper and we have to take someone who won't fail us if he is asked to fill the responsibility behind the stumps."
Nasir Hossain and Taijul Islam, who featured in the two-match Test series at home against Australia, would have their spots under threat. While Nasir gathered only 73 runs in the four innings, Taijul accounted for only two wickets in the second Test. There are also murmurs doing the rounds that Imrul Kayes could be replaced with Anamul Haque, but Cricbuzz understands that Bangladesh are likely to stick with Imrul."
http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news...h-africa-tests
What's going on with LKD? Will Nurul replace him or be he kept as a specialist batsman?
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