Why Tusher Imran Failed- A curious case of Benjamin?

[simon]

Or naam Benjamin naki ?

[Rana Melb]

^So we are comparing Tusher from 2002 with Tusher 2017 lol he is much better player now and this should be the matter. Some of our current test players are not the true test players , they are more odi players. Currently we are persisting with these players so that one day they ll come good. Ironically you ll see couple of good innings here n there but will not become a true test player. For me Mominul is a genuine test player but sarker n Shabbir they are not. Understand why bcb is investigating on em, however you might not get a quick return!

[Rana Melb]

Originally Posted by simon
Or naam Benjamin naki ?

Middle name

[Rifat]

If Virender Shewag was born in Bangladesh, he probably would have never made it to the national team. some people are just naturally aggressive players(like Shakib) some days it fires for them and some days it doesn't. I think Sabbir deserves more chances. He already got 3 fifties to prove his worth.

[Nocturnal]

Tushar's interview in prothom-alo ...

https://tinyurl.com/hmwby9r

‘বেশি আগে টেস্ট খেলে ফেলেছি’
বাংলাদেশে তিনিই সবার আগে প্রথম শ্রেণির ক্রিকেটে আট হাজার রান করেছেন। কাল বিসিএলের ম্যাচে নয় হাজার রানের মাইলফলকও ছুঁলেন প্রথম। ক্যারিয়ারের এই পর্যায়ে এসে ৩৩ বছর বয়সী তুষার ইমরানের উপলব্ধি হচ্ছে, টেস্ট ক্রিকেটটা একটু আগেই খেলা শুরু করে দিয়েছিলেন


* প্রথম শ্রেণির ক্রিকেটে নয় হাজার রান। সেঞ্চুরির সংখ্যাও বাংলাদেশে সবচেয়ে বেশি। কীভাবে দেখেন এই অর্জনগুলোকে?
তুষার ইমরান: ভালো লাগে। আস্তে আস্তে নিজেকে এগিয়ে নেওয়ার চেষ্টা করছি। যখন খেলা ছাড়ব, তখন যেন ভালো একটা অবস্থানে গিয়ে ছাড়তে পারি।

* কোথায় গিয়ে ছাড়তে চান খেলা? ক্যারিয়ার শেষে প্রথম শ্রেণির ক্রিকেটে কত রান, কতটা সেঞ্চুরি নামের পাশে থাকলে তৃপ্ত হবেন?
তুষার: আসলে নির্দিষ্ট কোনো লক্ষ্য নেই। যত দিন রান করব, তত দিনই খেলব। মনে মনে আমার এটাই পরিকল্পনা। গত বছর এই বিসিএলেই আমি আট হাজার রান পূর্ণ করেছি। এক বছরে এক হাজার রান করলাম। আশা করি, সামনে এভাবে খেলে যেতে পারব।

* জাতীয় দল থেকে তো অনেক দূরে সরে গেছেন। ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে ভালো খেলার অনুপ্রেরণা আসে কোত্থেকে?
তুষার: জাতীয় দলের যেসব ক্রিকেটারের সঙ্গে আমি ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেট খেলি, আমার দলে যারা আছে বা অন্য দলেও যারা থাকে, তাদের চেয়ে বেশি রান করার লক্ষ্য থাকে আমার। আমি চাই নামীদামি ব্যাটসম্যানদের চেয়ে আমার রান বেশি থাকুক। তাদের চেয়ে বেশি রান করতে পারলে মনে হয় একটা কিছু করলাম।

* ৪১টি ওয়ানডে খেললেও টেস্ট খেলেছেন মাত্র ৫টি। দীর্ঘ পরিসরের ক্রিকেটে এই ফর্মটা আরও আগে এলে তো মনে হয় আরও কিছু টেস্ট খেলতে পারতেন...
তুষার: আমিও তা-ই বলি। শুরুর দিকে যদি আরও কিছু রান করে গড়টা বাড়িয়ে রাখতাম, এখনো হয়তো জাতীয় দলে ডাক পেতাম। কিন্তু তখন বুঝিনি। দীর্ঘ পরিসরের ক্রিকেটের চেয়ে ৫০ ওভারের ক্রিকেটকে গুরুত্ব দিয়েছি বেশি। মাত্র ২০ বছর বয়সে টেস্ট খেলা শুরু করেছি। বেশি আগে খেলে ফেলেছি। আরও পরিণত হয়ে টেস্ট খেলা উচিত ছিল।

* কিন্তু এখনো তো ১৮-২০ বছর বয়সেই টেস্ট খেলা শুরু করছেন অনেকে...
তুষার: হ্যাঁ। কিন্তু আমি মনে করি, এটা ঠিক না। টেস্টে ৩০ বছরের বেশি বয়সী ব্যাটসম্যানদের খেলানো উচিত। অল্প বয়সে টেস্ট শুরু করলে প্রথমে হয়তো অনেকে ভালো করে, কিন্তু পরে সংগ্রাম করতে হয়। নিজেকে দিয়ে এটা বুঝেছি।

* জাতীয় দলে ঢোকার চাপ নেই বলে এখন নির্ভার হয়ে খেলতে পারেন। ভালো খেলার এটাও কি একটা কারণ?
তুষার: চাপ নেই কে বলল! খারাপ খেললে তো আমি বিসিএলেও সুযোগ পাব না। নিজের সঙ্গে নিজের একটি লড়াই তাই সব সময় থাকে। আমি দলে থাকার জন্যই খেলি।

* এত লম্বা ক্যারিয়ার আপনার। কোনো অতৃপ্তি আছে?
তুষার: এখন পর্যন্ত বিপিএল খেলতে পারলাম না, এটাই অতৃপ্তি। বিপিএলের সময় এলে সবাই বলে, আমি নাকি লাল বলের খেলোয়াড়। অথচ গত প্রিমিয়ার লিগের প্রথম পর্ব শেষে সেরা পাঁচ ব্যাটসম্যানের মধ্যে ছিলাম। দল সুপার লিগে উঠতে না পারায় পরে পিছিয়ে যাই।

* ঘরোয়া দীর্ঘ পরিসরের ক্রিকেটে জাতীয় দলের খেলোয়াড়দের পারফরম্যান্স অতটা উজ্জ্বল নয় কেন?
তুষার: পারবে...তারাও আজ থেকে পাঁচ-ছয় বছর পর পারবে। চার দিনের ম্যাচে অনেক কিছু শেখার আছে।

[RazabQ]

For all those who are raving about Tushar Imran, I give you Graeme Hick. Or Woorkeri Raman. Or countless other players who are just about good enough to boss the domestic level but don't hold up under international standards. I know we ditched a lot of physically talented players in our early days. But this was primarily because those talented players didn't have the requisite skills to adapt.

What do I mean? Let's look at Shakib. He's got a batting technique that only his mother would love. But he's continued to evolve his game. In the Siddon era he worked on his pulling (to go with his always strong cutting and slashing game outside off). More recently you can see he's been working hard on his driving. Every time he's gotten out around the deep, you can see him admonishing himself about not playing straighter. And his double in NZ was resplendent with a LOT of shots down the ground. He's also tweaked his backlift and his trigger movement. That's what good international players (and Shak IS a GOOD international players do).

Tushar never showed in the many ODIs and few Tests he played, that ability to adapt and evolve. You can see he confesses as much when he says "players should debut in Tests in their 30s when they know their game".

BTW, him bossing it in the domestics is a HUGE thing. All the best leagues have lots of old pros who guide the young players and show that cricket is something for the long haul. We need the likes of him and Sharif and Razzak to ply in local level to groom the upcoming talents.

[al Furqaan]

Why just Tushar? There was Rokon, Ashraful, Alok, Aftab, and looks like Anamul Bijoy as well.

And Naeem Islam, Marshall Ayub, Junaid Siddiquee.

[Jadukor]

Another one that saddens me is Jahirul Islam. That guy looked pretty good when he started.

[Anik SH]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Why just Tushar? There was Rokon, Ashraful, Alok, Aftab, and looks like Anamul Bijoy as well.

And Naeem Islam, Marshall Ayub, Junaid Siddiquee.

Anamul Bijoy no matter how many 100s he scored he still had and has major batting technical deficiencies.

[Shingara]

Rana, why this fascination with Tushar ?
He is a top order batsman and had enough chances. He played 41 ODIs and had a poor average of 14. National team karo mamu bari na. Ekbar ber korey diley jiboney ar chance nai.

Might as well go with Nasir Gold, who has an avg of 32 in 58 ODIs and also score a 200 in domestics recently

[Nadim]

Originally Posted by Rifat
This Guy is worth a good look:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...er/629059.html

Yasir Ali Chowdhury: I think he has what it takes to succeed in international cricket(maybe Tests). his first BPL game I think he got a 50.

LOL! He seriously neededs to work on his fitness tho. Otherwise, no chance....

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by Nadim
LOL! He seriously neededs to work on his fitness tho. Otherwise, no chance....

One word: Inzamam Ul Haque

Nadim's criteria for national team selection(for who hasn't debuted yet/recall):

Age < 25 .

As long as he brings in the runs, I don't care how much he weighs or what he had for dinner last night.

[aklemalp]

^^They used to give Inzamam-Ul-Haq runners back in the days. Unfortunately, no one gets that luxury in the modern game.

[Rana Melb]

Originally Posted by Shingara
Rana, why this fascination with Tushar ?
He is a top order batsman and had enough chances. He played 41 ODIs and had a poor average of 14. National team karo mamu bari na. Ekbar ber korey diley jiboney ar chance nai.

Might as well go with Nasir Gold, who has an avg of 32 in 58 ODIs and also score a 200 in domestics recently

Lol no fascination! You miss the point here. No one wants him for odi. We are talking about test here. Maturity/ Reborn VS young shorter format players. Also whats the criteria to bring back older players IF they are really good n much improved. One of the main reasons we are failing in test players are not mentally strong enough and lack of experience in longer version of the game.

[Jadukor]

The Criteria is simple.. we have to see them in A team tours against international teams. If they perform in both Domestic and in A team tours then we have a serious case to bring these oldies back into the fold. Just NCL deikha team e dhukaile Tanbir Haider case hobey

[Rana Melb]

Dont think Shahriar Nafees needs A team tour. Shabbir needs more 3 day game tbh. Plus what happens when there is no A tour in a calendar year.. these are things we need to sort it out. Easy to put a comment but difficult to implement.

Btw nafees nayeem anamul tusher are not Tanvir haider material at least.

[Shingara]

If you can't bat in ODIs, how can you expect someone to do well in Tests????

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by Rana Melb
Dont think Shahriar Nafees needs A team tour. Shabbir needs more 3 day game tbh. Plus what happens when there is no A tour in a calendar year.. these are things we need to sort it out. Easy to put a comment but difficult to implement.

Btw nafees nayeem anamul tusher are not Tanvir haider material at least.

and Yet Sabbir conveniently skipping BCL where other more established players like Mominul are not wasting time

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
The Criteria is simple.. we have to see them in A team tours against international teams. If they perform in both Domestic and in A team tours then we have a serious case to bring these oldies back into the fold. Just NCL deikha team e dhukaile Tanbir Haider case hobey

lets get something clear. Tanvir Haider did not do well in domestics! He was no where the spinner Saqlain, Raj, Mosharraf, no where near the batsmen like Nafees, Mosaddek, Tushar, Junaid and no where near the allrounder as Alok, Shuvo and others.

He was bits and pieces at best in domestics. There was no justification behind his selection. He was selected merely on attributes of a so called leg spinner but the fact is, even Sabbir is a better leggie then Tanveer is

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Rinathq
and Yet Sabbir conveniently skipping BCL where other more established players like Mominul are not wasting time

Or maybe Sabbir needs a rest from playing the whole tour in NZ and also the India test. Whereas Mominul only played 1 test in NZ and in India. So why wouldn't you let Sabbir have a little break? Ofc Mominul wont take a break.

[Rana Melb]

Originally Posted by Shingara
If you can't bat in ODIs, how can you expect someone to do well in Tests????

Wow..Good cricketing knowledge..

The way mominul is playing. It's doesn't need to be a good odi player to play test matches. Plenty of examples..look around you.

[Shaan]

To me nayeem can come into test squad in place of sabbir, we need someone who can hold one end at the same time build innings for team. Looking at nayeems recent form he seems more matured for longer version. Sabbir needs still plenty of time, may be three, four years.

[Rana Melb]

Originally Posted by BengaliPagol
Or maybe Sabbir needs a rest from playing the whole tour in NZ and also the India test. Whereas Mominul only played 1 test in NZ and in India. So why wouldn't you let Sabbir have a little break? Ofc Mominul wont take a break.

Shabbir needs to go back to BCL to enrich his longer version experience. Currently he is not a test standard player. However he has potential to perform better intrst.

[Rinathq]

Originally Posted by BengaliPagol
Or maybe Sabbir needs a rest from playing the whole tour in NZ and also the India test. Whereas Mominul only played 1 test in NZ and in India. So why wouldn't you let Sabbir have a little break? Ofc Mominul wont take a break.

If someone like Rabbi who happens to be a seamer is not resting.. if someone like Soumya who played every game and did not rest, I dont see why is Sabbir exhausted. He is not an allrounder and only batted. Even with the bat, he barely occupied the crease for long duration. If he was very serious about his test game, he wouldve jumped right into BCL and try to polish his skills with the 2 games available.

This tells me one of 2 things. Either he has already been given assurance of a long term slot in this format regardless of how he performs.. OR he is simply not interested in this format

[tanvir_nus]

Shabbir is playing non-stop. He played England series, BPL, NZ (all formats), then India tour. I need to think hard who has played that much cricket, maybe Shakib. All the more, let them take some rest.