Ashwin to remain no 1 allrounder,why no Kallis no Shakib.

[brockley]

This will be rigged.
A tailender who can only score 100's on flat tracks at home.

[Big]

Shakib is a good little player but Ashwin is definitely better, no offence.

[Moh899]

Originally Posted by Big
Shakib is a good little player but Ashwin is definitely better, no offence.

on what basis? how many times has he single handedly won India matches? Dude yall Big teams really need to give ya selves a reality check here and there... NO OFFENSE!

[Big]

Originally Posted by Moh899
on what basis? how many times has he single handedly won India matches? Dude yall Big teams really need to give ya selves a reality check here and there... NO OFFENSE!

Does Shakib have two 100s against a fearsome bowling attack like WI? Also could Shakib have played the inning Ash did against NZ to tie?

Shakib is a good little player and would definitely make the Indian A team or a Ranji team but Ashwin is better. #justmyopinon

[cricketboy]

How can one compare Shakib with Ashwin? Thats a joke. Indian supporters are so biased. First compared Jadeja with Shakib and now Ashwin. Shakib is a world class all rounder who can come into a side both as a batsman and bowler in most test sides. Ashwin is a good bowler who can bat a bit.

[Moh899]

Originally Posted by Big
Does Shakib have two 100s against a fearsome bowling attack like WI? Also could Shakib have played the inning Ash did against NZ to tie?

Shakib is a good little player and would definitely make the Indian A team or a Ranji team but Ashwin is better. #justmyopinon

and I respect your opinion!

[Gowza]

Ashwin has trouble taking wickets outside of home turf. But really they play different roles and much more is expected of shakib with both batting and bowling than what is expected of ashwin.

[Night_wolf]

Originally Posted by Big
Does Shakib have two 100s against a fearsome bowling attack like WI? Also could Shakib have played the inning Ash did against NZ to tie?

Shakib is a good little player and would definitely make the Indian A team or a Ranji team but Ashwin is better. #justmyopinon

you cant be serious..find out the 2010 BD vs NZ series and look at the stats..you are one of those guys who does not follow BD cricket an assume everything by just looking at the results

[koushik]

Originally Posted by Big
Does Shakib have two 100s against a fearsome bowling attack like WI? Also could Shakib have played the inning Ash did against NZ to tie?

Shakib is a good little player and would definitely make the Indian A team or a Ranji team but Ashwin is better. #justmyopinon

statistically Ashwin has better batting & bowling av(39.4 & 28.51) than Shakib(37.03 & 33.15)

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[horizon]

How about Home and Away split, and vs Top-6 or Top-8 and the rest?

[alzu1]

Im from Sl.ashwin is only a bowler not as good as shakib

[Tigers_eye]

Ashwin wouldn't get in to my para team. I do not take faltu / ab-jab / jodi laigga jai - players in my team.
/thread.

[horizon]

There's an algorithm that runs every week and uses the data fed to it and produces some rating points. The rankings are based on those rating points. In this forum, I see lot of people fighting on the Algorithm. The basic premises of the same is written on the ICC website. You can read it ... whether you want to evaluate a player by rating points is completely your personal choice though.

[horizon]

The outline of how the ranking is done -
http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/about.php

[Gowza]

at home:

shakib: bat ave 40.5, bowl ave 35.6
ashwin: bat ave 43.35, bowl ave 24.12

away:

shakib: bat ave 33.5, bowl ave 29.32
ashwin: bat ave 30.16, bowl ave 74.77

ashwin is superior at home but away shakib is superior. but if i was picking a team i'd pick shakib for both batting and bowling, i actually think he would do better if he was playing in a better team, i think he gets a bit demoralized at times and i think it's because he feels like he's the only one really trying for the win and i think he'd strive in an environment where everyone has the winning mentality and performs, he likes to compete.

[NoName]

Ashwin's bowling average at home is extremely low due to rank turners India prepares, whereas we produce flat tracks.

[horizon]

And on flat tracks 300 is a rarity but in rank turners 300 is being chased on a regular basis?

[horizon]

Originally Posted by Gowza
at home:

shakib: bat ave 40.5, bowl ave 35.6
ashwin: bat ave 43.35, bowl ave 24.12

away:

shakib: bat ave 33.5, bowl ave 29.32
ashwin: bat ave 30.16, bowl ave 74.77

ashwin is superior at home but away shakib is superior. but if i was picking a team i'd pick shakib for both batting and bowling, i actually think he would do better if he was playing in a better team, i think he gets a bit demoralized at times and i think it's because he feels like he's the only one really trying for the win and i think he'd strive in an environment where everyone has the winning mentality and performs, he likes to compete.

ICC ranking looks only at last 3.5 years of performance. Moreover, it doesn't distinguish between home and away performance. In a sense if you award more credit to away performance, you should also penalize for not performing at home.

[horizon]

Before I forget let's note it down -

Ashwin against WI, Pak and Aus : 1/24; 0/23; 2*, 4/11
Shakib against same opponents : 1/21(3), 0; 1/21, 38; 66, 0/36(3)

Same opponents, same ground and it's Shakib's home ground.

In India-Bangladesh Match :
Ashwin : 2/15
Shakib : 1, 0/26

And Ashwin was MoM.

Make your own judgement ...

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by horizon
Before I forget let's note it down -

Ashwin against WI, Pak and Aus : 1/24; 0/23; 2*, 4/11
Shakib against same opponents : 1/21(3), 0; 1/21, 38; 66, 0/36(3)

Same opponents, same ground and it's Shakib's home ground.

In India-Bangladesh Match :
Ashwin : 2/15
Shakib : 1, 0/26

And Ashwin was MoM.

Make your own judgement ...

Fair enough. Ash is a great all round bowler in sub continental condition especially in 20-20 and odi. Though the stats will suggest that he is probably the fastest 100 wicket getter In ind but still I m not so sure about his bowling effectiveness and capability in test arena. And keep in mind he plays in a great team where his team mates give him enough runs to defend and also his captain is not the best but still a good tactician who can set fields according to the situation. On the other hand Sakib plays under such a sissy who doesn’t have a clue about field placing.

[horizon]

Shakib gets more chance to bat which I am sure Ashwin doesn't. Spinners rarely do well out of the subcontinent, especially in NZ/SA/Aus. There Shakib would be able to show his batting firepower but Ashwin will miss out. Shakib rarely plays Test cricket in NZ/SA/Aus so I am not sure what we are comparing about ...

[Gowza]

shakib doesn't get as much chance to bowl because his team doesn't get to 2nd innings as often. honestly there is no point in comparing these 2 atm, one is at best considered a bowling all rounder (ashwin) but is really selected as a specialist spinner and the other (shakib) is there to be a genuine all rounder and is expected to win every match, be the best batsman and the best bowler. different expectations, different teams, different situations, different roles.

as far as playing test cricket in NZ/SA/Aus shakib and ashwin have played a similar amount, ashwin 3 matches but 5 innings and shakib 4 matches but 5 innings. aswhin has bowled 168 overs to shakib's 137 though but shakib has 14 wickets to ashwin's 9 and a much better strike rate at 58 to ashwin's 112 strike rate and shakib's average at 29 is more than half of ashwin's at 62.77.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by Gowza
shakib doesn't get as much chance to bowl because his team doesn't get to 2nd innings as often. honestly there is no point in comparing these 2 atm, one is at best considered a bowling all rounder (ashwin) but is really selected as a specialist spinner and the other (shakib) is there to be a genuine all rounder and is expected to win every match, be the best batsman and the best bowler. different expectations, different teams, different situations, different roles.

as far as playing test cricket in NZ/SA/Aus shakib and ashwin have played a similar amount, ashwin 3 matches but 5 innings and shakib 4 matches but 5 innings. aswhin has bowled 168 overs to shakib's 137 though but shakib has 14 wickets to ashwin's 9 and a much better strike rate at 58 to ashwin's 112 strike rate and shakib's average at 29 is more than half of ashwin's at 62.77.

Which year? Shakib did well in 2008 in SA when he was a real good bowler. The last time was in NZ back in 2010 and Shakib did not do well there. And even that is now outside of ICC rank window of 3.5 years. Now Shakib is just his own shadow ... Hope he would be back.

[Rana Melb]

T 20 Ball of century by Ashwin delivery against Hasim Amla ( According to Adam Gilchrist)

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by horizon
Which year? Shakib did well in 2008 in SA when he was a real good bowler. The last time was in NZ back in 2010 and Shakib did not do well there. And even that is now outside of ICC rank window of 3.5 years. Now Shakib is just his own shadow ... Hope he would be back.

true shakib didn't do well in NZ but his record there is still very comparable to ashwin's record in SA, actually it's slightly better so however you look at it shakib has been better outside the subcontinent than ashwin so far, doesn't matter how long ago it was, this isn't about rankings (at least to me it isn't), this is about who i believe is the better bowler/ player and well the stats at least support that shakib is better outside of subcontinent conditions and having watched ashwin in that SA tour i don't think the stats are wrong.

still early days for ashwin outside india though so he could very well improve just as shakib is very young and still hasn't played that much outside it either and still can improve.

if you really want specifics then shakib in his couple of matches in SA did far better than ashwin has in his but then it's really only a couple of matches and i don't think it's fair to compare home record to home record because tracks in india give far more advantages to spinners than they do in BD.

the reason why we shouldn't compare these two players atm is because their roles are very different, if they had similar types of roles then fine but they don't, you're better off comparing ashwin to jadeja atm as they both play the same role (spinner who will hopefully score some handy runs in the lower order - different to shakib who is spinner and batsman expected to take all the wickets and score all of the runs).