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Old May 5, 2009, 05:24 PM
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The diference in the Pens vs. Caps game was Stckler's goal. Lack of secondary scoring is worrisome for the Pens. Malkin, Sykora, Guerin, etc need to contribute. Pens will get the line match up in the next game as they get the last change at home in game 3 and they better use it to their advantage if they want to make this a series. In close games,faceoffs wins in offensive and defensive zones, missed clearance or dump in, neutral zone turnovers and penalties ultimately decide the winner. Pens really need to cut down on neutral zone turnovers especially against the Caps number 1 line. One on one Ovechkin will burn most D just because of his speed, lateral quickness and rocket shot. In the gwg, Fleury came out and challeged the shot but the shot was just too good. Loving this series so far, great to watch. Just need the Pens to hold serve so there a bit more of this to watch.

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Indeed a deep hole. Caps are overall a better team than us this year. One area where I thought we had the edge was goaltending, but no longer the case after watching Verlamov downright outplaying Fleury, who btw is overrated IMO. Ovechkin's shots are like missiles. I don't think I have ever seen anyone fire the puck away with such ferocity with surgical precision. Sid is battling like a champion player that he is. Problem is Malkin has gone cold. I don't blame him entirely since he is playing on a line with a complete liability called Sykora and non-scoring Fedotenko. Finally, it has caught up to him. That second line gets scored on all the time and negativity is palpable in his game right now. Again, Caps are a better team than us this year..
Ovechkin possesses the rare ability to shoot with velocity and accuracy at full speed. Like Bure and Kariya before him, he doesn't need to slow down to a glide before that heavy a shot. I mean there have been guys like Sakic and others who can/could let off quality wristers at full flow, but slapshots like that?! That's a huge advantage.

Must win game 4 for us. If the Ducks win, we'll find ourselves in as deep a hole.
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Old May 6, 2009, 10:11 AM
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The diference in the Pens vs. Caps game was Stckler's goal. Lack of secondary scoring is worrisome for the Pens. Malkin, Sykora, Guerin, etc need to contribute. Pens will get the line match up in the next game as they get the last change at home in game 3 and they better use it to their advantage if they want to make this a series. In close games,faceoffs wins in offensive and defensive zones, missed clearance or dump in, neutral zone turnovers and penalties ultimately decide the winner. Pens really need to cut down on neutral zone turnovers especially against the Caps number 1 line. One on one Ovechkin will burn most D just because of his speed, lateral quickness and rocket shot. In the gwg, Fleury came out and challeged the shot but the shot was just too good. Loving this series so far, great to watch. Just need the Pens to hold serve so there a bit more of this to watch.
I agree. Secondary scoring has all but vanished. Wingers are a big liability. Like I said before, the free agency came last year at a time when we just rebuilt the team after years of wilderness. The replacements are just not good enough. This off season is very important for us. Our D men are not the greatest puck movers. They turn it over, have difficulty clearing the puck with one quick pass. The line changes will help matters a bit at home, but the fundamentals still need to be addressed, inability to do so would not matter in terms of where we play. Series is good for neutral observers I guess. I think Letang will miss the game. That doesn't help at all. He is a brilliant young player.

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Anyone following the Balsillie vs. Bettman fight? Getting really interesting.
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Balsillie almost bought the Pens flashing his Blackberries. He would have moved the team for sure. Super Mario to the rescue and we are very appreciative of what he means to this city.
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The top five dirtiest player list are out. Voted in by fellow players league wide. Agree?

1 Chris Pronger ( Ducks )
2 Steve Ott ( Stars )
3 Jarko Ruttu ( Senators )
4 Steve Avery ( Rangers )
5 Scott Hartnell ( Flyers )

I am surprised by Pronger being no.1.
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Old May 6, 2009, 04:39 PM
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Pronger's still one of the best defenceman in the NHL but he's a very dirty player. He plays on the edge of legal, borderline dirty zone. He is known for cheap shots to the head. I recall he elbowed Holmstrom and Nidermeyer one year in the playoffs. Ruttu is a clown. Shawn Avery is an accident waiting to happen irrespective of how much people glorify his "hockey skills". Hartnell is a solid hockey player who can get under the skin of superstars.
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Old May 6, 2009, 04:46 PM
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Wings got robbed of a game tying goal last game. Did you guys see the highlights? The refs blew the whistle way too early even though it was live puck and covered up the goalie. The puck was jammed into the net by Hossa but was called off because the refs had already blown the whistle for a faceoff.
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Wings got robbed of a game tying goal last game. Did you guys see the highlights? The refs blew the whistle way too early even though it was live puck and covered up the goalie. The puck was jammed into the net by Hossa but was called off because the refs had already blown the whistle for a faceoff.
Saw that but it happens. Human error is an integral part of the game. But more often than not, the refs get it right. Anyway, the Canes continue to impress, and good news for the Pens: Malkin is back after a brief siesta. Boy is he ever the real deal!!! ...
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Wings got robbed no doubt. I saw it. Its fun watching the West coast games. Late at night, just sit back, watch and fall asleep !

Huge win for us ( must win actually ) last night. Letang was the hero and he almost didn't play. Malkin was unstoppable. But, this Verlamov is really something. He continues to outplay Fleury, who was again shaky, and despite the outcome last night, if the goaltending trend continues, I see Caps beating us in this series. Every time Fleury touches the puck I get nervous. Finally we got scoring from someone other than Sid. Hopefully, that continues..
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Big win for Wings. Back in the series with a bang. More importantly, for the first time, Hiller was leaking goals. Bad sign for Ducks if you ask me.

Game 4 for us tonight. We lose, we are done, since NHL has the wisdom to schedule back to back games for tonight and tomorrow night, only to make sure the top ratings draw of a series has weekend games! How stupid is it that both teams have to fly out after the game to play again tomorrow? what if it goes to multiple OT's? This is the only series that has back to back games. Really pissed about it.
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Pens down 1-0. Their defence's problem of missed "chip outs", neutral zone turnover continues.
If they don't pay attention to this aspect of the game they will lose tonight. First goal is largely a product of bad team defence. Can't rely the offensive stars to bail out the team all the time. Anyway, still lots of time remain and definitely enough for a comeback.

Ducks missed a golden chance to take a strangle hold on the series against the Wings. Getzlaf got injured at the wrong time. Leading points man in the playoffs. Perry and him are playing themselves into the olympic squad.
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Pens won so there will game 6. Loved it watching the game. Even with the win, Pens defensive zone play needs to be rectified. Their defencemen are not helped by the forwards much in the defensive zone and leave the goalie out to dry too many times. The forwards are too soft on the puck in the defensive zone and don't chip it out with high frequency. The value of chipping out, dump in, etc is enormous especially against a team with many offensively gifted players. Failure to do these often get people benched.Beams is Miroslav Satan injured? He looks like a passenger in the ice. I know he had an assit and was plus 1tonight but his game seems uninspired. He's pretty much reduced to a third liner with the Pens yet even with this diminished offensive role he is disinterested in taking up an active role in the d zone.

On the Caps side, Mike Green is getting burned by Crosby. He is not the first one and won't be the last but he is playing too soft on him. Hack his shin, drive him up the boards. Do something. Crosby's killing the Caps. Bruins are struggling mightly against the Canes and are now down 3-1 in the series. Tim Thomas's accidental saves ie. magic seems to be running out. Canes are winning again compliments to Eric Staal's supreme performance. Jussi Jokinnen is turning out to be this year's version of no name player who shines during the playoffs and reaches temporary stardom. Ducks need better goaltending because you can't score 4-5 goals in every playoffs games especially if one of the stars is missing shifts due to injury. With their intimadating style of hockey they will always take penalties so, more than worrying about penalties they have to make sure they kill them off successfully. Hiller has fight off the screen and communicate with his defencemen to move the garbage away from the sight. The Ducks won games where Hiller was great and if he is anything sort of great in the next game, they will probably lose the series. Great series so far. I feel the Ducks can still win this. Last but not least, the sole Canadian Cup hope fittingly lies with the Vancouver Canucks. They've played steady hockey throughout the playoffs (tied 2-2 against Chicago) and I am hoping they'll advance to the next round. Irrespective of who they face, the conference final will be a much stiffer test for them. Luango is playing upto his potential and the defence appeared hard to crack in game 3 but in game 4 they blew the lead and allowed Hawks to tie the series. If they win the series, they'll need Salo and Demitra back before they faceoff against Wings or Ducks.

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Nice write-up IC.
I was not following NHL but now I'm back in Alberta again from BD - can't ignore Playoffs anymore.
Chicago won in OT last night and series tied with 2-2 vs Vancouver Canucks.
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Nice write-up IC.
I was not following NHL but now I'm back in Alberta again from BD - can't ignore Playoffs anymore.
Chicago won in OT last night and series tied with 2-2 vs Vancouver Canucks.
I was following the score on NHL and Canucks were up in the third and fell asleep so, I assumed they won. Anyway, Canucks will probably win this series. They need Demitra and Salo back. What's happening with Sundin the saviour of Canucks?
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Always important to win a must win game obviously. Such wins, with adequate sobriety, can build the sort of quiet confidence necessary to go all the way. Adequate sobriety means to give your 120% one shift at a time, each and every shift. Our team leaders led by the Saint, have the character and experience to apply all that on the ice. I'm more optimistic than ever, but game 5 is also another must win game for us. That's the right choke hold the Ducks need.

Good read.

Great win for the Canes and obviously the Pens too. What an ugly, dirty, typically Lindros type move from Ovechkin! What do you do when a skilled defenseman takes you out of your game? You take him out of the series with a possibly carrier debilitating hit! Out-freakin'-rageous thuggery at its worst!!! NHL should take a close look at what happened and take decisive action. That said, thuggery has its own bad karma.

I don't buy the half-a$$ed apology in self defense either.

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Ovechkin isn't sure if the League will take a look at the hit and issue a fine or suspension. But considering how somber he was during his post-game press conference he clearly felt a lot of remorse for injuring Gonchar, someone he respects.

"I didn't have time to realize what was going on," Ovechkin said. "It was an accident. I'm not the kind of player that wants to injure guys like this. I know Gonch, and I wouldn't hit him like this."

Ovechkin said he was going after the puck in the corner, but Gonchar poked it away, so he tried to hit him with his shoulder. As he was attempting the hit, Gonchar took a quick step to his left, enough so his right knee lined up with Ovechkin's right knee.

They collided and Gonchar went flailing into the air while Ovechkin's momentum carried him around the goal. He never fell down.

"It was a shoulder check that he missed and I think that's it," Capitals coach Bruce Boudreau said.

As Ovechkin was being escorted to the penalty box, he kept staring at Gonchar with a concerned look on his face.

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I think exasperation brought out something dark in him and he lost control. It is easy to grow into an impetuous little shite in light of all the perpetual media hype and lose perspective, and subsequently on-ice ethics and ethical balance. The only way to give him the opportunity to correct this downward slide is total accountability. During a recent round of interviews on behalf of a noted human rights organization, I looked at quite a few unofficial interviews with Israeli soldiers who participated in the Gaza war. Most showed "genuine remorse". But they must not be considered "above the law" and allowed to get away from its fullest extent. "Moment of madness" or not.
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Always important to win a must win game obviously. Such wins, with adequate sobriety, can build the sort of quiet confidence necessary to go all the way. Adequate sobriety means to give your 120% one shift at a time, each and every shift. Our team leaders led by the Saint, have the character and experience to apply all that on the ice. I'm more optimistic than ever, but game 5 is also another must win game for us. That's the right choke hold the Ducks need.

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Great win for the Canes and obviously the Pens too. What an ugly, dirty, typically Lindros type move from Ovechkin! What do you do when a skilled defenseman takes you out of your game? You take him out of the series with a possibly carrier debilitating hit! Out-freakin'-rageous thuggery at its worst!!! NHL should take a close look at what happened and take decisive action. That said, thuggery has its own bad karma.

I don't buy the half-a$$ed apology in self defense either.

I think exasperation brought out something dark in him and he lost control. It is easy to grow into an impetuous little shite in light of all the perpetual media hype and lose perspective, and subsequently on-ice ethics and ethical balance. The only way to give him the opportunity to correct this downward slide is total accountability. During a recent round of interviews on behalf of a noted human rights organization, I looked at quite a few unofficial interviews with Israeli soldiers who participated in the Gaza war. Most showed "genuine remorse". But they must not be considered "above the law" and allowed to get away from its fullest extent. "Moment of madness" or not.
Sohel bhai, Ovi's a pitbull and he will hit if he sees an opportunity to take a player out. If he takes aggression away from his game his effectiveness as a player will be reduced and will equal that of an ordinary player. His desire to succeed is the best aspect of his game IMO. More so than his powerful, accurate shots and dazzling moves. As you correctly pointed out, his hit on Gonchar stemmed purely out of frustration and was basically trying to set up game 5 with it. Was it dirty? You bet it was. Should he have not gone after Gonchar's knee? He shouldn't have but that's the competitiveness in him and his will to win at any cost that surfaced when his team was in need of a boost. I can name many players who would have done the same in his shoes. In many ways, his game is very typical of a canadian power forwards who have two modes of operations, score and hit every opposition player in sight. The part about hitting that most people don't realize is the psychological impact it has on a defenceman. Also, Ovi being a superstar, if he is willing to engage physically against the opposition it can only inspire his teammates. Remember, nothing sends the message to the opposition and to your teammates the same way violence ie. big hits, fights can. Violence is an universal language of hatred. Off the ice, Gonchar and Ovi can be good friends but on the ice they are both each other's ennemy. Ovechkin is basically the LeBron James of Hockey. He will dominate you either with his feast or his stick and there's not much you can do about it. I know my explanation of the psychology behind hitting may not be satisfactory but anyone who has ever played hockey will be aware of it. It still doesn't absolve him from his sin.

Btw, I am not supporting either of the teams. I am a die-heart Habs fan who have a supremely talented player in Kovalev that seems disinterested in most games and doesn't compete for pucks and skates without purpose when he doesn't have the puck. I wish Kovalev, Koivu and many of our so called stars would take a chapter out of Ovechkin's book and learn to play like him. We are way too soft from Goalie upto the forwards and in desparate need of some sand-paper players.

As for the length of the punishment, he deserved 5 minutes of penalty in the game instead of the 2 that he was given because there was obvious intent to injure but as you and I both know, superstars are always above the law and their crimes are almost always pardonned at a cheaper price. Take Chris Pronger's case as an example, he is notorious for elbowing and head hunting but he never gets more than couple of games of suspension. Bertuzzi should have never been allowed to participate in the NHL after his hit in the back of Steve Moore but he is playing and earning a great salary. Taking the past punishments handed out to superstars into account, I am willing to bet he won't be suspended for a second.

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NHL will not suspend him even though it was a cheap shot with intent to injure. No idea when Gonch will return if he returns. It was knee on knee. He is our PP QB and the best penalty killer. I am happy about the win but losing Gonch is something I can't shake off. Our guys stayed composed and didn't do anything stupid, though to a man they agree that it was a cheap shot. Credit to Bylsma for sending that message. He runs and around too often and sooner or later somebody will get that scumbag.

Varlamov looked human after all.

IC : Miro Satan was sent down to W-B/S Pens during the trade deadline. He got recalled for the playoffs, and only playing because Sykora has been a healthy scratch. Removing Sykora from second line and promoting Maxime Talbot from the fourth has done wonders for Malkin. Maxime has the energy and grit to win those battles in the board, something Sykora was unable to do, and Malkin was spending too much time in the defensive zone with Sykora on wings. Satan is playing on fourth line and has played ok so far.

Becoming a big fan of Getzlaf. You bet he makes the Olympic team. Who is in charge? Gretzky? You think he leaves out Crosby again?

Hacking away at Crosby won't work. He is exceptionally strong on his skates and along the boards. Green will just end up being in the penalty box. Green's game is off purely due to Kunitz. What an acquisition! He goes straight line and targets the best defender. Did it to Timmonen, now doing it to Green. He needs to keep doing it, free up Crosby, and battle.

Fleury is so shaky. Every game he gives up a softy or two. Huge game tonight. Thanks for scheduling back to back games Bettman!
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IC : Miro Satan was sent down to W-B/S Pens during the trade deadline. He got recalled for the playoffs, and only playing because Sykora has been a healthy scratch. Removing Sykora from second line and promoting Maxime Talbot from the fourth has done wonders for Malkin. Maxime has the energy and grit to win those battles in the board, something Sykora was unable to do, and Malkin was spending too much time in the defensive zone with Sykora on wings. Satan is playing on fourth line and has played ok so far.

Becoming a big fan of Getzlaf. You bet he makes the Olympic team. Who is in charge? Gretzky? You think he leaves out Crosby again?

Hacking away at Crosby won't work. He is exceptionally strong on his skates and along the boards. Green will just end up being in the penalty box. Green's game is off purely due to Kunitz. What an acquisition! He goes straight line and targets the best defender. Did it to Timmonen, now doing it to Green. He needs to keep doing it, free up Crosby, and battle.

Fleury is so shaky. Every game he gives up a softy or two. Huge game tonight. Thanks for scheduling back to back games Bettman!
Most of Crosby's goals have been scored from the paint goals and the guy in charge of clearing the pile in front of the net is Mike Green. If Crosby manages to get 2-3 whacks at the puck then Mike Green is totally responsible because BB is matching him with Crosby. No doubt Kunitz is a gritty forward and his job in the line is to make room for Crosby but aquisition of Guerin has also given Crosby some extra shooting opportunities as Guerin is a legit threat to score goals.
More than Fleury, defencemen and forwards need to chip pucks out of the d-zone with more regularity. A common trend in most of the "softies" that he allowed was the fact that the shot deviated from its original trajectory due to partial block/deflection by the stick of dmen that caused a dip in the trajectory as the goalie went down to make the save. Those small deflections and neutral zone turnover due to failure of chipping pucks out softly always make the goalies look bad.

Beams leaving out superstars is a common occurence for Canada in every olympics. We have too many good hockey players and only 22 can make it. In fact, you can make an impressive second XXII that would look just as good. Canada may not win every cup in all international events but undeniably we have the most depth in players pool of any hockey playing nations. I was furious with Gretzky's decision to leave out Crosby and opting for experienced players who looked sluggish and couldn't generate offense against a team like Switzerland (with due respect to Swiss players). The next olympics are in Vancouver and if Canada doesn't win gold in hockey the whole country will be devasted. Sure, we have ski, skeleton, ludge, medal hopefuls but hockey is what defines us and nothing less than a gold will do. Steve Yzerman is captaining the ship this time and Gretz is out of the picture. The coaching stuff and roster hasn't been announced yet but it's safe to assume Pat Quinn won't feature in the stuff. Babcock has a good chance of getting the head coaching position with Steve Y being the GM. Alain Vignault, Lindey Ruff, Dave Tipette and Claude Julien have an outside shot. Getzlaf aka The franchise as he's known with the Ducks has to make it. The rinks for the hockey games will be north american size so those with good playoffs stats will have a favourable probability of making the squad. Thornton may actually end up not make it.

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So, news is out, and NHL takes no action! This is a joke. Gonch's season is probably over and so is ours. Some say he is more valuable to the team than even Malkin. If it was any player other than him or Sid or any other superstar, he is sitting out a few games. Where is the justice? This is the height of hypocrisy. Shame on you NHL. Shame on you Colin Campbell...
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Old May 10, 2009, 11:20 AM
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Proud of my Guins. What a show of character last night! Malkin the OT hero...
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Old May 10, 2009, 12:58 PM
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IC, the combination of aggression and toughness is essential. It is impossible to play the game without it, even for clean players such as Lidstrom and Datsyuk. The Norrises and Selkes also saw Ladies Bing on the same shelf. Hits need to be clean and each shift offers plenty of opportunities to dish out what a player must. Let's not confuse thuggery with aggression here. Sound laws and normative traditions preserve the game. Exceptions to them destroy it. I think NHL honchos will sort this out after the playoffs as they must.

Anyway, good break for the Pens and no matter how much "Ovie" is beginning to whine, looks like there is divine justice after all. Looking for ward to the Pens trying to stop the Canes. Really hope I'm not speaking too soon here ...

Looks like Justin Abdelkader will make an unexpected playoff debut in game 5. He sure sounds ready. Can't wait.
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Detroit in command now. Mule is a playoff player. Rap it up next game. I think Chicago will beat Canucks. They are a great young team.

Not so fast Carolina. Boston shuts them out. Carolina should rap it up at home. We should as well tomorrow. Don;t wanna go back to D.C and face Oveckhin's shots ( never seen anyone shoot like him )!
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