Taslima Nasreen

[tonoy]

Originally Posted by shaad
আহা Orphy, বুঝলে না। Bangali feminist না হলে তো তোমার গালর্ফ্রেণ্ড চাকরি করে খেটে খেটে তোমাকে financially support করতে পারবে না।

[Orpheus]

Originally Posted by shaad
আহা Orphy, বুঝলে না। Bangali feminist না হলে তো তোমার গালর্ফ্রেণ্ড চাকরি করে খেটে খেটে তোমাকে financially support করতে পারবে না।

haha! arrey bhai oita feminism na. Those are my earnings. I give her time and a sense of belonging - I should be paid for it be it in the form of food, money or a massage.

"love" is an universal currency. It can buy ANYTHING. So I use it to buy food and clothes - and occasionally illegal cricket stream....

I am glad you are a "reaping rewards" conscience feminist, for a moment I was afraid you lost your bangali identity there.. very smart! I bow down!

Jei race er men lungi pore, shei race kokhono women er kaache matha nichu korbe na!!
Taslima, tumi choddo kuti lungi domaiya rakhte parba na...amra tomake bhaate marbo, panite marbo.....

[Ganguly da]

wow...we have some fundamentalists amongst ourselves in BC...some of these responses are amazing...

[Bengaliprince176]

can sum1 please explain to me why Lajja has been censored??? it is a book about a Hindu family and the problems they encountered in BD 1992 after the destruction of the Babri Mosque, what has that got to do with her attacking Islam?? i admit she seems a strange writer...but if she is writing to show what has happened i.e THE TRUTH then why shud she be censored??

[Orpheus]

Originally Posted by Ganguly da
wow...we have some fundamentalists amongst ourselves in BC...some of these responses are amazing...

It's not anymore amazing than your response.

[wrong `un]

Originally Posted by shaad
That said, I must say I found several of the posts here quite disappointing, using derogatory terms to describe her, espousing views which seem to support censorship, or her exile, and in one case, even suggesting that she be hanged. I think it's quite possible to disagree with someone's opinions or critique them without stooping to that level of behaviour.

Exactly.

She had a message which some may agree and some may not. She had a way of passing the message which may not have been the ideal way. But talking about hanging and stuff like that is quite extreme.

[cricket_dorshok]

Arundhaty Roy speaks about Taslima.

Karan Thapar: Arundhati Roy, let me start with that question. How do you respond to the way Taslima Nasreen has been treated for almost 14 days now?
Arundhati Roy: Well, it is actually almost 14 years but right now it is only 14 days and I respond with dismay but not surprise because I see it as a part of a larger script where everybody is saying their lines and exchanging parts.

full interview

[Kabir]

Bujhlam na.

[cricket_dorshok]

Originally Posted by Kabir
Bujhlam na.

ki bujlen na, tai to bujlam na!

[One World]

Just found this news in e-mela.

Indian govt forced Bangladesh writer to leave India: publisher

Submitted by editor on Sat, 22/03/2008 - 3:57am.
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• india
• Literature
• Taslima Nasrin
• Writer

NEW DELHI (AFP) — Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen's publisher andsupporters accused the Indian government on Thursday of forcing the writer out of the country because of fears of a Muslim backlash. Nasreen left mainly Hindu but officially secular India on Wednesday after accusing the Indian government of forcing her to quit the country.
"The government is no better than religious fundamentalists," she said.
She said the government refused her timely medical treatment and called the safe house where she was kept under federal protection a "chamber of death."
"It beggars the description meted out to her -- it was inhuman, she developed severe hypertension and as a result severe heart and eye problems," said Shivani Mukherji, publisher of Nasreen's books in India.
"It's shameful for a so-called secular country to behave this way -- they should have stood up to the people who opposed her," she said.
The Congress-led government has made no comment on the departure of Nasreen who was kept under federal protection in New Delhi after being hounded from Kolkata, capital of Marxist-ruled West Bengal, in November by riots and death threats from Islamic radicals who called her writings blasphemous.
India's Hindu daily on Thursday quoted her as saying she was in London but said she was not revealing her final destination "for the sake of security."
Nasreen fled Bangladesh in 1994 after Muslims accused her of blasphemy over her novel "Lajja" -- or "Shame" -- depicting the life of a Hindu family persecuted by Muslims in Bangladesh.
The 45-year-old gynaecologist-turned-author, whose situation has been likened to that of Indian-born British author Salman Rushdie, was seeking permanent residence in India where she moved after spending time in Europe and the US.
But New Delhi, fearful of a backlash from the country's 140-million-plus Muslims, and had given the author only short-term visas.
Just before her departure, Nasreen issued a statement accusing Indian authorities of having "constantly pressured me mentally to leave the country."
"The Indian government could have put its foot down and said 'no' to the radical Muslim groups and its Left allies," said columnist Parsa Venkateshwar Rao.
But she wanted "her individual freedom should be as unfettered as it was before and perhaps it was a task that was a bit too difficult. At one level there was a need to protect her and at the other they had to put in some restrictions for her safety," he said.
Radical Muslim leaders cheered her exit. "We will resist her return by any means," said Siddi Kulla Chowdhury, secretary of the Jamiat Ulema Hind.
Nasreen had sought to go back to Kolkata but the Marxist state government, which is in political trouble, said it did not want her back.
The opposition Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party has accused the Congress government of kowtowing to Muslim pressure, worried about losing a traditional support base with just over a year to go before elections.
"Nasreen is only one in a long list of journalists, writers, scholars and artists who have been persecuted, banned, imprisoned, forced into exile," said the Indian Forum for the Protection of Free Speech and Expression, pressing for Indian citizenship for the author in a recent statement.
"Different governments have either directly or indirectly resorted to these measures in order to fan the flames of religious, regional and ethnic obscurantism to gain popularity and expand their 'vote-bank,'" said the group, which included Booker Prize winner Arundhati Roy said.
"She found a home in Kolkata as close as she could get to her homeland -- a Bengali-speaking environment -- but now she fears she'll never be able to come back," said publisher Prasanda Roy.

[Rabz]

Who cares about her....

[bdchamp20]

Some of the comments I read are disgusting and shocking, seriously I consider the BC members to be some of the most intellectual compared to other forums and people who hold progressive views and try to understand something before commenting. Now my personal views on Ms. Nasreen are that she is trying to create awareness on what is happening to women in our country in the name of Islam. I am fine with that part but she doesnt have to attack Islam. But still we should be much more tolerant on our part. And if you people have actually read some of her books you coudnt say its bad work. Yes, some of her work does have sexual content, but just calm down. I wont believe any of u if u said u havent watched ****. So please dont get personal on her. Seriously, shame on u guyz!

[Sohel]

I met her. She's intellectually dishonest, a liar and just repulsive in more ways than one. Not a bad writer though, technically speaking, irrespective of the content. Her essays are polemical and passionate, but they sadly mitigate the overall impact by going overboard, making that initial passion almost melodramatic.

That said, I'm all for her basic human rights being respected by all concerned.

[series]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I met her. She's intellectually dishonest, a liar and just repulsive in more ways than one. Not a bad writer though, technically speaking, irrespective of the content. Her essays are polemical and passionate, but they sadly mitigate the overall impact by going overboard, making that initial passion almost melodramatic.

That said, I'm all for her basic human rights being respected by all concerned.

Oh really!

[bdchamp20]

I wonder if I opened a page on Motiur Rahman and the other war-criminals whether the comments would have been as fierce as they are on Taslima Nasreen

[Alien]

I wonder where she will go now. To communist China where the government despises religion as much as she does?

[GuruTM]

I was going to post something about it. Not worth it. She should just get a job.

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by muradnyc
This nastik woman will never find peace in her life again.

Allah er sathe jei napormani korbe shei kokhono shanti pabe na. Allah taake sashti ditei thakbe.

Allah taake shothik path dekhan.

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Come on now guys, let's go easy on Orpheus' girlfriend.

Tai naki Orphy?

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I met her. She's intellectually dishonest, a liar and just repulsive in more ways than one. Not a bad writer though, technically speaking, irrespective of the content. Her essays are polemical and passionate, but they sadly mitigate the overall impact by going overboard, making that initial passion almost melodramatic.

That said, I'm all for her basic human rights being respected by all concerned.

very well stated about T-Nasty!

btw, i've noticed that intellectualy dishonesty is the hallmark of educated/intelligent islamophobes of all stripes. the usual ignorant "rednecks" just hate but clever ones are more dangerous due to that intellectual dishonesty.

[B.A.F]

Good riddance!

[B.A.F]

Originally Posted by bdchamp20
Some of the comments I read are disgusting and shocking, seriously I consider the BC members to be some of the most intellectual compared to other forums and people who hold progressive views and try to understand something before commenting. Now my personal views on Ms. Nasreen are that she is trying to create awareness on what is happening to women in our country in the name of Islam. I am fine with that part but she doesnt have to attack Islam. But still we should be much more tolerant on our part. And if you people have actually read some of her books you coudnt say its bad work. Yes, some of her work does contain pornography, but just calm down. I wont believe any of u if u said u havent watched ****. So please dont get personal on her. Seriously, shame on u guyz!

Proposition 1 :
She is trying to create awareness I understand - as are feminist groups and etc, but one must understand that many of these atrocities are not ONLY submissive towards Islamic dogma being falsely missapplied. These things are more CULTURAL than religious. Don't be silly and try to say underage rape, sexual abuse can even come about using 'Islam' - our people may not be uber-intelligent, but not that thick.

Proposition 2:
Islam is opposite to what she proclaims. Now if she says anything opposite and contrary to Islamic beliefs - under the Islamic banner attributing rape, murder, sexual paedophillia is being attached - then how can you be ok with it? She isn't saying things on a different tangent, saying Sexual Abuse, Female inferiority on one hand, and Islam's weakness in handling it - NO. If she was, that is a subjective opinion, and as a freeminded individual, let her maintain this opinion - in that sense. BUT SHE is attributing Islam TO the rape and the paraphernalia of actions she speaks of - in that sense - there is no way you can say that you are ok with it, if you are a true muslim at heart , ipso ergo facto.

Proposition 3 :
The fact Bangladesh is an Isla-Secular country is the reason why Taslima Nasreen is still able to breath air - tolerance is one issue when the point raised has a logical background - but what she did was blasphemously attribute the complete Islamic Doctrinal substances to the core of the atrocities she poetically expressed about - that my friend - deserves no love from me - don't kill her yes, don't do a Khomeina ala Rushdi, but the main thing is we didn't, and neither are we going to.

Proposition 4 :
No one said anything about the Pornographic material, if you are going to bring in our personal taste etc i.e. you watch pornography , so it justifies it, then, well, its the same as a murderer coming on here and justifying his act of murder on a human to your act of murdering a fly


Propostion 5 :
Personal hate was never an issue with her - it was always a matter of disdain at her works.
If I was an admirer of poetry - her literary expression is wonderful and she is very intelligent - but as a person with a basis of right and wrong, fair and injustice, her work though abdundant in the delectatibility of linguistic profoundness - lacks the real focal acumen of fairness.
All poets to me must bear a reason with a justified purpose - a rebel must be with an aim. Her aim? Pointless and unjust. So I have no reason but on this ground to detrimentally lambaste her works for the thing it is - a farce from page 1 till infinity

With Regards,
B.A.F

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
btw, i've noticed that intellectualy dishonesty is the hallmark of educated/intelligent islamophobes of all stripes. the usual ignorant "rednecks" just hate but clever ones are more dangerous due to that intellectual dishonesty.

Not just "Islamo" phobia brother Asad, but irrational phobias of any kind IMHO. It is important for some individuals to draw attention to themselves by denigrating others because it makes them feel weirdly warm and fuzzy inside. Pain and sorrow > depraved longings > anger > and then finally hatred, tragic really.

Based on my conversation with her in Kolkata not too long ago, I'd say TNas doesn't know enough about Islam and its multiple complexities in Bangladeshi society to merit serious discussion. She sees what she chooses to see in simple black and white, and how she chooses to see them, irrespective of the ocean of greys, blues and green among many other colors. She's also only interested in those "facts", both real and imaginary, that support her banter.

Her dalali is also unfortunate, but a paycheck is a paycheck I suppose.

That said, I don't think she should be censored or her basic human rights be violated simply because of her views, or how repulsive she may be at multiple levels to someone like me personally. People have the right to be wrong, or what we percieve to be wrong from a particular POV.

Only GOD, the Omniscient knows all, only He knows what is truly in the hearts of His creations, His ways are NOT our ways, and He will surely judge us all. We must not play GOD.

If we do, however inadvertently that judgement may be, then we'll be no better than what she'd like to do those she deems "the enemy", not to mention possible consequences on the Day of Judgement.

There is a difference between taking lawful action in order to maintain social harmony, and passing the sort of moral judgement we simply do not, and will NEVER have all of the facts to make. A part of maintaining social harmony has everything to do with assuring due process to everyone, including those who seek to undermine that harmony ...

Good shall always prevail in the end as long as the faithful do not violate their individual covenant with GOD.

[Alien]

I think there are bigger Islamphobes out there than this one. And Netherlands is becoming a breeding ground for Islamophobes. Must be the legal-ganja factor.

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Alien
I think there are bigger Islamphobes out there than this one. And Netherlands is becoming a breeding ground for Islamophobes. Must be the legal-ganja factor.

... well said ... lace it with alga Euro liberal matobbori ... and that's coming from a card-carrying member of ACLU and a staunch supporter of medical marijuana, the authentic kind.