Need a medium pace allrounder for national team

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by wiseshah
isnt ziaur Rahman scored a blistering century in last 20/20 league? i think there are some more example

dollar's batting was good in A team or under 19 level. he made couple 50 plus innings.

i think farhad reza has potentiality of becoming true allrounder--if he gets chance

only all rounder ATM is mashrafe mortaza.

I still do not condsider Mortaza as an allrounder but a bowling allrounder...I don't see him moving at surprise #3...wait a minute...that's a brilliant Idea in T20...move him at #3 to add batting depth

[IanW]

The job of the bowlers is to take 20 wickets a match. The job of the Batsmen is to score 650 runs over 2 innings, leaving enough time for the bowlers to get 20 wickets. There is a very fine line between a good bowler (Masrafee) and a not-test-class one (Tapash) is pretty fine ; a bowler with 10% less pace, 10% more innacuraccuy or 10% less ability to do controled swing (*) can simply be a liability. If a quality bowler can bat, great. But dont take a second-class bowler because they can bat a bit, unless they would get selected for their batting alone. Ian Whitchurch (*) Swing gets really complicated, as the ability to only swing the ball a fraction - say, 3 inches - is absolutely lethal.

[Imteaz]

So easy to have a world class allrounder.

[magic boy]

a medium ace all rounder has to have some other qualification....like 100+% physical fitness....what we're seeing among the names all u have mentioned a few of them are truly as fit as an internationally recognized well medium pace all rounder. Only Mashraf can be that much strong though he's suffers from injury...and injury is the reason why he himself doesn't consider himself as all rounder and not in the way to be one perfectly. and bowling should get the first priority in case of such all rounder player.....scoring big hit is useful. ini this regard I hope Mashrafi should try to be a good all rounder as he wants to bowl well rather than hitting big. and we need him to bowl well as our specialist batsmen are now in the habit to control run scoring.not too much pressure for the lower middle order. so only if sometime requires to score useful runs then Mash can carry on. otherwise he may focus on his bowling.

But the problem is we all are looking for an all rounder like Sakib to carry the extra load after failure of our top order batsmen...when scoreboard shows 4/5 wickets gone below 100. But that shouldn't be the strategy for every match....Our top order should score so that other players can sit down calmy and get preparation for their respective job. this is pure first method of cricket. thus Australia and India earn most of the success in cricket. bat well....seeking help from the all rounder all the time doesn't look cricketing!!

My personal opinion: We should let players to play their natural game....urging too much to be an all rounder affects natural ability....we shouldn't ask every Farhad Reza to play well every match with batting+bowling!! its a pressure. without being a natural all rounder this kinda pressure kills the player.not everybody is Sakib. we should focus on strategy of the game with asking more , continuous score from our specialist batsmen n bowlers.

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by Rifat
Nazmul Hossain Milon

Thanks Rifat for naming Milon.His fast class and list a batting average is more than 30 first class bowling average is 15 but his List a bowling average 55?!! He is a very young guy. I think he is from our academy. So he have ample of time to improve. We hope he will do so.
So we have 3 person in the list
1)Farhad Reza
2)Nazmul Hossain Millon
3)Ziaur Rahman
Do we have any other medium pace all rounder?

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[Gowza]

most of these guys named are either bowlers who can score a few runs on a good day or bits and pieces players, none of them are really genuine allrounders.

two other names to mention are sajidul and delwar hossain, but again, not really genuine allrounders.

[Murad]

WE don't have any genuine allrounders in Bangladesh except Shakib.

Riyad is so-so in both bowling and batting. Naeem is more of a batsman who can bowl a bit.

Reza is a good bowler who can bat a bit ( He bat well in Domestic leagues though ).

Ziaur is also a so-so bowler who can bat a bit.

So yeah.. Gowza is right. We don't have any genuine allrounders!!

[raf-stah]

dont even have to be a medium pacer all rounder- 3 pacers is wat we need. sipnners shudnt have to bowl close to 40

[M.H.Rubel]

Why we need a medium pace all rounder for our ODI team? Lets look at the bowling line up 1.Mash
2.Russel 3.Sakib 4.Razzak work of 5th bowler is done by both Rhiyadh and Nayeem both r spinner if we have a medium pace all rounder replacing Nayeem then its will be a good ODI bowling attack. 3 Pacer 3 Spinner and this bowling attack will work even in bouncy wicket like england.

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[M.H.Rubel]

Then probably following guys can meet up the need or medium pace all rounder
1)Farhad Reza
2)Sajidul
3)Nazmul Hossain Milon
4)Delwar Hossain
5)Ziaur
Now we will have to wait for the performance of these guys and to be selected for national ODI team or for some one new.

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[yaseer]

Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
1)Farhad Reza
2)Nazmul Hossain Millon
3)Ziaur Rahman
Do we have any other medium pace all rounder?

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These are bits n pieces cricketers, not all-rounders.

They neither guarantee to bowl 10 overs in ODI, nor can play any substantial knock.
These type of players never going to have a career in national team. They can come, play some matches and then be removed. We have seen these players in past too; Mofijur Rahman Munna, Mushfiqur Rahman Babu and even Sujon (best bits n pieces we have so far). Obviously is Test cricket, they never going to play any part at all.

What we need is a genuine Bowler. If the Bowler can bat a bit, that is added bonus. Already have Riyad, Nayeem, Mehrab, Robin (potentail), who can't bowl 10 overs in an ODI, don't want to make this list long.

Genuine pace bowler dorkar re bhai.......
Shubhashis? Sumon Saha? Shafaq al Jabir? Robiul? Who is next?

[fuzzy]

dollar mahmud is pretty good with the bat...mahbubal we have seen wat he could do with the vs zim... probably we can use them T-20..

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by yaseer
These are bits n pieces cricketers, not all-rounders.

They neither guarantee to bowl 10 overs in ODI, nor can play any substantial knock.
These type of players never going to have a career in national team. They can come, play some matches and then be removed. We have seen these players in past too; Mofijur Rahman Munna, Mushfiqur Rahman Babu and even Sujon (best bits n pieces we have so far). Obviously is Test cricket, they never going to play any part at all.

What we need is a genuine Bowler. If the Bowler can bat a bit, that is added bonus. Already have Riyad, Nayeem, Mehrab, Robin (potentail), who can't bowl 10 overs in an ODI, don't want to make this list long.

Genuine pace bowler dorkar re bhai.......
Shubhashis? Sumon Saha? Shafaq al Jabir? Robiul? Who is next?

i think they should invest some more time and effort into sajidul, BD just don't have many pacers who can consistently bowl 130kph+ and swing the ball, plus he can play the occassional decent knock. when sajidul toured england people over there were impressed with him, i can't understand why the selectors aren't giving him more opportunities.

[nobody]

Since the demise of Botham England is searching one. I do not consider Flinthof as allrounder (basic criteria Batting Av> Bowling Av does not fit) The great WI and Aussi teams of 70s and 90s did not have any allrounder. But that did not prevent them being the best team of the world (Ok aus has one in Gilly). But England team have so many bits and piece allrounder (pringle, capel, Holliaoke etc in reality they were neither bowler nor batsman) in 1990s; they were at the bottom. We need six World Class Batsmen and Four World Class bowlers with a decent WK ( A wk on par with Boucher in keeping ability ; batting is bonus). Unfortunately we have only one bowler who could compete with the best and batsmen are developing atm.

[Eshen]

Instead of looking for something that we don't have, we need to figure out how to work with what we got.

[cricket_king]

Originally Posted by Fazal
And I guarantee that if he get chance again, he will prove you wrong again. And that is based on his past record of him in the team.

Firstly, he hasn't proven me wrong about anything yet. Secondly, though I agree with the fact that it's slightly early to write him off, I don't see how his past record indicates any success in the near future. Debutants who end up like Farhad usually score a few 'flash in the pan' scores against some quality opposition, and then fade away. Farhad's batting average against decent opposition is embarrassing to say the least, and he's had a few opportunities to score some runs down the order, but in the end failed in most matches, though, so did the rest of the team. His couple of notable innings came against Zimbabwe and Kenya, but that was at the start of his career when he was picked for good form.

Quoting Rifat bhai from the 'Next debutant' thread:

Form is temporary, class is permanent. Usually what happens is the the Players enjoy amazing form but by the time they arrive at the national team, the form deteriorates and we see their average class and then the truth is exposed! That player simply doesn't belong with the elite teams...

Farhad simply doesn't belong either IMO.

[chol_bd123]

Why medium pace? I want a genuine fast bowler like Bret Lee.

[jeesh]

Originally Posted by chol_bd123
Why medium pace? I want a genuine fast bowler like Bret Lee.

Thats the problem. We are hoping for a express pace bowler to come and solve all our trouble. I would be happy with a medium pacer like Kulasekara or Vaas. We dont need pace, we need a bowler who can bowl consistently with discipline.

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by yaseer
These are bits n pieces cricketers, not all-rounders.

They neither guarantee to bowl 10 overs in ODI, nor can play any substantial knock.
These type of players never going to have a career in national team. They can come, play some matches and then be removed. We have seen these players in past too; Mofijur Rahman Munna, Mushfiqur Rahman Babu and even Sujon (best bits n pieces we have so far). Obviously is Test cricket, they never going to play any part at all.

What we need is a genuine Bowler. If the Bowler can bat a bit, that is added bonus. Already have Riyad, Nayeem, Mehrab, Robin (potentail), who can't bowl 10 overs in an ODI, don't want to make this list long.

Genuine pace bowler dorkar re bhai.......
Shubhashis? Sumon Saha? Shafaq al Jabir? Robiul? Who is next?

The names i have mentioned earlier among them SAJIDUL,NAZMUL(MILON),AND DELOWAR have a very good first class career.Each of them have good batting ability as well. So i can see potentiliaty to be a good all rounder on them,their endever will tell their fate. On the other hand Forhads first class batting career is excellent and he was rapidly improving his bowling.Its not impossible for him to be Lanse Clusener of Bangladesh,Effective in shorter version of matches.We dont know who will succd but what we know is we need a pace all rounder.

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[One World]

Originally Posted by yaseer
These are bits n pieces cricketers, not all-rounders.

They neither guarantee to bowl 10 overs in ODI, nor can play any substantial knock.
These type of players never going to have a career in national team. They can come, play some matches and then be removed. We have seen these players in past too; Mofijur Rahman Munna, Mushfiqur Rahman Babu and even Sujon (best bits n pieces we have so far). Obviously is Test cricket, they never going to play any part at all.

What we need is a genuine Bowler. If the Bowler can bat a bit, that is added bonus. Already have Riyad, Nayeem, Mehrab, Robin (potentail), who can't bowl 10 overs in an ODI, don't want to make this list long.

Good post.

[bujhee kom]

Yeah bros, no doubt, I agree, I also need a Medium-fast All-rounder accomplish/accomplish level for my Mental Hospital!

[nycpro96]

We don't need any express bowler. I think we need a pacer who can bowl with pace around 80-85. I think that is enough if he can bowl a consistent line and length. He needs to be able to bowl in the blockhole and has to good variations.

[Fazal]

BK bhai,

Here is your Medium-fast All-rounders for your Mental Hospital

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
Then probably following guys can meet up the need or medium pace all rounder
1)Farhad Reza
2)Sajidul
3)Nazmul Hossain Milon
4)Delwar Hossain
5)Ziaur
Now we will have to wait for the performance of these guys and to be selected for national ODI team or for some one new.

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Names i have mentioned earlier,Delwar and Sajidul has not been selectes for the A team.Farhad is on cooling period.
Ziaur and Nazmul Milon is touring Maharastra with A team.Out of my list Dollar is also touring Maharastra and he is not doing bad there.Ziaur is also doing good there.It seems to me that ultimately Ziaur,Dollar along with Farhad will be the main competitor for this place this year but there is a chance that we may find some new candidates after this domestic season as well ?

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[fais]

i think Nazmul and Dollar could be quite effective and we need to try them on some pace friendly tracks