Shahbag Projonmo Chattor

[moneymoney]

Shakib koi?

[roman]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
Rare footage

আসুন একটু অতীতে ফিরে যাই, আমি ছোট থাকতে এই প্রোগ্রাম দেখেছিলাম, অনেকদিন পরে আবার দেখে ভাল লাগল। দেখে নেই আসুন, আজকের ফাসীর দাবীর সেই জন্মস্থান , জেনে নেই আরো জামাতি মিথ্যাচার।

Thank You for sharing this Bhai. Some stories made me really sad

[zsayeed]

The Election Commission will meet on Thursday to decide on the actions against the Jamaat-e-Islami as certain clauses in the party’s charter are in conflict with the Constitution and the Representation of the People Order.
...
"The 90 H (jurisdiction to cancel registration) is in the Commission’s hand"

http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2013/...amaat-thursday

[zsayeed]

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Express solidarity with the protesters in Bangladesh who are seeking justice for the war crimes of 1971.
In 1971, the Pakistani Army, in collaboration with a group of Islamist leaders, unleashed unbelievable horrors on an unarmed, civilian population killing 3 million people and raping more than 200,000 women. Today, as Bangladesh is finally seeking justice for these mass killings, religious extremist groups throughout the world are conspiring against Bangladesh. The government of Bangladesh has already received veiled threats from the President of Turkey, and "The Muslim Brotherhood" has issued a strongly-worded press release in support of these war criminals. We urge President Barack Obama and this administration to express solidarity with the millions of Bangladeshis who are spontaneously demanding justice and an end to communal politics.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...paign=shorturl

You can sign the petition on the above link.

[Yameen]

Originally Posted by zsayeed
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...paign=shorturl

You can sign the petition on the above link.

Thanks for sharing, signed!

[Zunaid]

Screw the brotherhood but what did the Turkish president say? Can't find a reference.

[Zunaid]

Ah so.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesig...php?nid=262861

Screw him too. Ever hear of the Armenian genocide?

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by moneymoney
Shakib koi?

Shakib is campaigning for Shagor Runi...killers.

[PoorFan]

This is a good read for historical background of 'Joy Bangla', while some people may find hindu flavor in that bangla word 'Joy'.

Thursday, February 14, 2013
Front Page

News Analysis

Joy Bangla & BNP's worry

Syed Badrul Ahsan
The BNP is today in the unenviable position of not having any clear perspectives on the youth movement at Projonmo Chottor. It is patently taken aback by the intensity of the pro-Liberation spirit demonstrated by tens of thousands of young men and women, in whose support broad sections of society have come forward in these past many days.

For the BNP, whose record on the war crimes trial has remained shrouded in mystery, for reasons of its political alliance with the very men now on trial for crimes against humanity, it is a matter of damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. It cannot express solidarity with the young because that would mean repudiating its fanatical allies the Jamaat. And if it disowns the Jamaat, a big chunk of its politics will simply cave in.

Interestingly, the BNP appears driven by a need for a face-saving way out of its dilemma. Its leaders say they understand the grievances being voiced at Projonmo Chottor, but they are worried by the repeated chanting of Joy Bangla by the young. They smell something of the partisan in that chanting of the Bangalee nationalist slogan.

The BNP, either through a deliberate negation of history or a plain demonstration of pique, has suggested that questions and confusion have arisen around Joy Bangla, a slogan which, in its view, lost general acceptability in post-Liberation times owing to what it calls the partisan nature of the government in power after 1971.

For the BNP and for everyone uncomfortable with Joy Bangla, these are the facts behind a slogan that carried us through our War of Liberation and still underpins our sovereign status as a nation:

The Joy Bangla slogan first acquired currency following the successful mass upsurge against the Ayub Khan regime in 1969. In the following year, when Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman made it known that the general elections scheduled for the end of 1970 would be a referendum on the Six-Point Programme of the Awami League, Joy Bangla took on a wider dimension as a Bangla slogan.

The intensity of Joy Bangla went up by leaps and bounds in March 1971 when the Yahya-Bhutto conspiracy to prevent power from being handed over to the Awami League first became obvious. Joy Bangla became a militant Bengali slogan chanted across the length and breadth of the province. And in the nine months of the war, Bangladesh's freedom fighters went into battle raising full-throated Joy Bangla slogans. The record, in printed documents and video footage, is out there.

Joy Bangla, therefore, has been giving a distinctive non-partisan and nationalistic flavour to the Bangalee ethos since the late 1960s and is an unmistakable symbol of Bangalee nationalism. Contrary to the BNP's argument that it lost general acceptability in post-liberation times, Joy Bangla was first undermined by the murderous regime which brought Khondokar Moshtaque and the assassins of Bangabandhu to power in August 1975.

Moshtaque used the old, Pakistan-style slogan "Bangladesh Zindabad" in his very first broadcast as usurper-president. The "zindabad" idea was then picked up by the nation's first military ruler Ziaur Rahman, who also made sure, as martial law administrator, that the secular spirit of the constitution was removed and replaced by invocations of a communal nature. General Ershad and then Khaleda Zia and their political friends upheld "zindabad" despite the fact that it was Joy Bangla which continued to exercise a hold on the public imagination.

The conclusion is simple and crystal clear. Joy Bangla, first raised as a slogan by the Awami League, went on to acquire absolute public acceptability through the crucible of mass movements against Pakistani political machinations and then through the fire and fury of war in 1971.

"Zindabad", on the other hand, has been a calculated move by men seizing power by extra-constitutional means and their camp followers to dilute the significance of the Bangalee nationalist struggle. Many of these camp followers, by the way, took part in the war singing the Joy Bangla slogan.

More in Daily Star

[Naimul_Hd]

For those who are tired telling people that Jamat represent Islam and Islam is safe in their hand

মউদুদির ছেলের মুখেই শুনুন জামাত কত খারাপ !

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=448460515226311

(Rare footage)



Even Pakistani people hate Jamat-E-Islami in Pakistan !! Please Watch this

[Naimul_Hd]

Originally Posted by zsayeed
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...paign=shorturl

You can sign the petition on the above link.

অনেকের হয়তো মনে আছে টিপাইমুখ বাধ নিয়া একটা অনলাইন পিটিশনে সই করার ডাক দেওয়া হইছিলো। বলা হইছিলো তিন লাখ সিগনেচার পড়লে নাকি জাতিসংঘ এই বাধ নির্মানে হস্তক্ষেপ করবে। সেটা ছিলো একটা মিথ্যাচার, যা নিয়া আমি লড়ছিলাম তখন। এখন এই যুদ্ধাপরাধীদের বিচার নিয়া হোয়াইট হাউজে একটা পিটিশন লিংক শেয়ার হইতেছে। অনেকে না জাইনা হয়তো শেয়ার করতেছে। এইটা একটা স্ক্যাম। এইটার বিনিময়ে আপনার ই-মেইলটা চল্লিশ সেন্টে বিক্রি হবে, আপনি যেহেতু স্প্যাম ফোল্ডার চেক করেন না, আপনারে নিয়া যাবতীয় বানিজ্য ওইখানেই হয়ে যাবে। সো লিভ ইট। সব কিছু নিয়া ধান্দাবাজি ঠিক না

- Omi Rahman Pial

[Zunaid]

Omi, omi, omi. You should know better. I know the US government is broke, but it's not that broke that it will sell your emails faddy for 40 cents.

The Obama administration has committed to review and response if the petition meets sufficient threshold. Not sure why B'deshis need to petition the US government for a response on this issue but at least get the facts straight.

Thresholds

A petition must reach 150 signatures within 30 days to be searchable on whitehouse.gov.^[4] As of Jan 16, 2013, to receive a response a petition must reach 100,000 signatures within 30 days.^[5] The original threshold was set at 5,000 signatures,^[6]and was raised to 25,000 on Oct 3, 2011.^[4].

You need to petition your own government.

[PoorFan]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
For those who are tired telling people that Jamat represent Islam and Islam is safe in their hand

মউদুদির ছেলের মুখেই শুনুন জামাত কত খারাপ !

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=448460515226311

(Rare footage)

Can you summarise a bit? Because I almost dont understan Urdu at all.

[Naimul_Hd]

^^^ i guess you are right zunaid bhai.

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
^^^ i guess you are right zunaid bhai.

Shobai ajaira chudur budur koray. ;-)

[Naimul_Hd]

Originally Posted by PoorFan
Can you summarise a bit? Because I almost dont understan Urdu at all.

PoorFan bhai, my urdu knowledge is near to zero but what i understood-

According to him (the interviewee),

- Jamat has done heinous crime in 71 in Bangladesh and we (bangalis) cursed them (Pak). Now, all the problems that Pak is facing is the result of their brutality in 71.

- Jamat leader Saidi himself kept his 9 children out of Jamat politics. He discouraged his sons to come near to Jamat meetings. According to his son, father knows that Jamat politics will not do any good to their children.

- Despite their (9 bro's and sis) non-participation in politics, other Jamati leaders threaten them and hamper their business because of rivalry. They tried to complaint against them but they are too powerful to take any action against them.

- Saidi's sons have asked his father to leave all this but they don't know why their father is still in politics.

- Jamat is a fascist party where there is only one leader (amir). He is the king, all other members have to abide by him. None can say any word to him and the amir will decide his successor.

There are other members who know hindi/urdu can verify what i wrote here.

[PoorFan]

@Naimul, thanks for the translation.

[nasimul]

Dekhe shune mone hosse boraborer moto ebaro aai jati ek hote parsena. Err jonno doshi amra sobai aar er subudha nibe abar Jamat, Shibir erai. Aai shujug amrai oder kore dissi, tai oder ke galigalaj na kore amader nijedei thik hoa dorkar sobar aage.

IMO aai movement theke positive kishu pete hole eer sathe political party gular sorasori somorthon dorkar. Students/activists ra oder ekta team banate pare jara aai movement ke represent korbe. Ora political party gular sathe dekha kore oder dabir pokhe kotha boluk, tader somorthon adae koruk. Ekhon jevabe cholse taate diner por din Shahbage bose thaka jabe kintu er theke significant kisu paoa jabe kina setai dekhar bishoe.

[BANFAN]

Politics of Jamat e islami is the militant version created by Moududi. If you read Moududi, you will see, his principle is, if ou don't do Jihad, you are not a Muslim. And he establishes it with a lot of twisting of the quranic verses. Also taking many verses completely out of context. That's the reason, these Jamat sponsored Madrasas in Pak and BD, made "juddho bidya" a mandatory part of their curriculum. Hence all the terrorism breeding in Pakistan.

Bangladesh has taken some timely steps to control the madrasa education, specially during Ershad. Creation of Mdrasa board, Imam training, brining Imams/Madrasas under govt payrol etc have established a good amount of control ... Over all the politics of Jamat is moududi 's ideals, which isn't based on proper Islamic principles.

[Naimul_Hd]

Originally Posted by nasimul
Dekhe shune mone hosse boraborer moto ebaro aai jati ek hote parsena. Err jonno doshi amra sobai aar er subudha nibe abar Jamat, Shibir erai. Aai shujug amrai oder kore dissi, tai oder ke galigalaj na kore amader nijedei thik hoa dorkar sobar aage.

IMO aai movement theke positive kishu pete hole eer sathe political party gular sorasori somorthon dorkar. Students/activists ra oder ekta team banate pare jara aai movement ke represent korbe. Ora political party gular sathe dekha kore oder dabir pokhe kotha boluk, tader somorthon adae koruk. Ekhon jevabe cholse taate diner por din Shahbage bose thaka jabe kintu er theke significant kisu paoa jabe kina setai dekhar bishoe.

To me, this protest has already achieved many things. The achievement of this protest so far -

1. Giving a strong warning to the govt and opposition party that no more comedy drama, under the table politics drama regarding war criminals of highest rank

2. Forcing Govt to rectify flaws in the law. Parliament on Sunday is likely to pass a bill bringing amendments to the International Crimes (Tribunals) Act, 1973, to allow the state and complainants to appeal against any verdict of the war crimes tribunals.(DS)

3. Boycotting Jamat Shibir organizations where they get most of their funds to organize their activities

4. Taking back 'Joy Bangla' from AL and making it general people's slogan as it was during Muktijuddo (though BNP finds AL connection in such slogan, but who gives --------- )

5. Creating awareness among young generation of Jamat's heinous crime in 71.

[Naimul_Hd]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Politics of Jamat e islami is the militant version created by Moududi. If you read Moududi, you will see, his principle is, if ou don't do Jihad, you are not a Muslim. And he establishes it with a lot of twisting of the quranic verses. Also taking many verses completely out of context. That's the reason, these Jamat sponsored Madrasas in Pak and BD, made "juddho bidya" a mandatory part of their curriculum. Hence all the terrorism breeding in Pakistan.

Bangladesh has taken some timely steps to control the madrasa education, specially during Ershad. Creation of Mdrasa board, Imam training, brining Imams/Madrasas under govt payrol etc have established a good amount of control ... Over all the politics of Jamat is moududi 's ideals, which isn't based on proper Islamic principles.

Thanks for the info. Did not know details

[Naimul_Hd]

যুদ্ধাপরাধীর ফাঁসির দাবিতে মোমবাতি হাতে হাতে জেগে উঠেছে সারা দেশ।

[Ajfar]

If you use Instagram, look up #shahbag or #shahbagh. Some awesome pictures floating around. I just went through 200+ pictures. I will try to post some here when I get home.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
To me, this protest has already achieved many things. The achievement of this protest so far -

1. Giving a strong warning to the govt and opposition party that no more comedy drama, under the table politics drama regarding war criminals of highest rank

2. Forcing Govt to rectify flaws in the law. Parliament on Sunday is likely to pass a bill bringing amendments to the International Crimes (Tribunals) Act, 1973, to allow the state and complainants to appeal against any verdict of the war crimes tribunals.(DS)

3. Boycotting Jamat Shibir organizations where they get most of their funds to organize their activities

4. Taking back 'Joy Bangla' from AL and making it general people's slogan as it was during Muktijuddo (though BNP finds AL connection in such slogan, but who gives --------- )

5. Creating awareness among young generation of Jamat's heinous crime in 71.

Ek kothaye this andolon will probably end the Politics of Jamat or the politics with Islam. But if this ends here, we need to see if this will bring any qualitative change in our politics. Question is: Will the politicians stop corruption, political killings, Rivalries, hate, cadreism as a result of this or the country will run as usual or it will get worse due to monopoly of power ??

We shouldn't forget that our politicians are good at reversing the situation to their favor shamelessly in front of our eyes and we become silent observers, Since such movements don't happen or can't happen everyday. So lets not raise the bar of hope too high. Unless this movement continues after the above achievements to address atleast the corruption and political killings by all governments so far and brings them to justice. That definitely will give a better hope for our future. Otherwise it can be a satisfaction for the past without any hope for future.

[RazabQ]

HereWeGo. Funny. Like I put in my disclaimer - I wasn't trying to be clever. I am genuinely interested in how a massive public protest gets the funding and logistics accomplished. After all I'm a management consultant by profession. So again, if you are actively participating, do enlighten us.