Alternatives by position for Tigers 2.0

[shuziburo]

My ODI team for the next series would be:
1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Jahirul
4. Shakib
5. Mushy
6. Nasir
7. Riyad
8. Mashrafe
9. Nazmul
10. Razzak
11. Rubel (if he is fit, otherwise a spinner)

The team still has issues at #2 and 3, but for now there are no magic bullets!

Anamul and Mominul are our future, but I would let them play for the A team for a year or two to gain more experience. Hom impressed in the beginning and then disappeared. Need to look at him as well. Shabbir could be a good #7 if he can handle top international bowling.

[razath]

My order:



1.Tamim
2. Kayes/Junaed (I prefer Junaed as he is more fluent and can keep scoreboard moving better than kayes and reduce pressure on Tamim)
3. Sir Ash/Junaed (I prefer Sir Ash because of his BPL performance and on his day, he is really nice to watch. Only worry, Ash may bring politics in the team)
4.Nasir
5.Shakib
6.Mushy
7.Riyad
8. Mash
9. Razzak / Sunny
10. Nazmul/Sunny
11. Rubel

Stand by: Zahurul, Anamul, Mominul, Shafiul

Nafees and Alok should never be considered.

[mufi_02]

Looks like everyone is going with a team with long tail. We can't afford to have number 8,9,10,11 to be all weak especially given our number 2,3 position are still volatile. I say play 2 spinners (Shak, and rotate Sunny/Razzak), 2 pacers (Mash, rotate Naz/Rubel), and as the 3rd seamer get either Farhad Reza or a bowling all rounder.

This bowling allrounder + Riyad + Nasir can bowl the remaining 10 overs.

Now question is who is this bowling allrounder that can be trusted with batting too?

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Now that the Asia Cup is over and we have announced ourselves in a big way lets discuss the possible weaknesses that still remain and the players that could turn it into a strength by 2015.

To me the folowing are the unanswered questions
1. Who is the best partner for Tamim
2. Who should we try at number 3
3. Should Nasir bat at 4 or at 6?
4. Who will be our third pacer

We did great in this tournament and we can do even better if we can get this sorted out.

1. With Nazim gone for good, we have to look at our other options. Imrul has been part of some big partnerships alongsides Tamim and has a good average. That being said though, he has issues with his technique and he really struggled before getting dropped. He can be a good back up for us but not a starter. I suggest once again that we need to give Anamul a go. He could potentially be our star opener and could resolve this issue once and for all. So what are we waiting for? If we want to get a good team together, we have to take risks. Or else we'll continue to be stuck with average players.

2. Jahurul deserves another go at #3. He showed some promise this series and his 53 against India was crucial. That being said though he's not out of the clear. He showed some weaknesses over the course of the series and by no means has he cemented his place. I would give him another series but I would also bring in a back up like Mominul or Asif along as well. We should slowly start to infuse some new young talents.

3. I say give Nasir a few more chances at #4. Let's not just bump him yet just because of his failure yesterday. It was a huge pressure situation and it was clear he didn't take it well. I'm sure that he could be a good #4 once given the opportunities. I have confidence he will prosper.

4. Rubel should be our 3rd pacer without a doubt. Have Mash and Nazmul bowl with the new ball and Rubel could bowl the old ball. He is 1 of our death over specialists. If he still hasn't recovered then Shafiul should assume that responsibility.

[Jadukor]

I am all for the selection of anamul but not at the opening slot. Opening slot is a specialist position and we can't expect a youngster to survive coming from our domestic standard. I would rather ease him in at positions between 4-7.

I am impressed with Jahirul's game. He has the odd brain farts like most of our batters but other times he has shown he can work the ball around and play the big shots.

In terms of bowling we need to try anamul jr, noor hossain and shabbir who would add variety to the overdose of left arm spin. Our tail with three pacers becomes a bit too long so i think we could go for shabbir or alauddin babu at the expense of a specialist bowler also.

My team
1. Tamim
2. Jahirul
3. Junaid, mominul, shuvagoto,asif
4. Mahmudullah, anamul
5. Shakib
6. Mushy
7. Nasir
8. Shabbir, alauddin babu
9. Mashrafi
10. Rubel/sunny/razzak/kamrul islam rabbi
11. Nazmul

[playmaker]

i think its time that Anamul is tried out, junaid and imrul should do a bit more hard work otherwise I dont see why we cant have a solid top-order

BTW, my 1000th post

[AsifTheManRahman]

1. Kayes (for now)
2. Jahirul (but *whip* the heck out of him so he mans the heck up)
3. #6. Mushy is still my choice for #4.
4. Nazmul. #1 Mash, #2 Rubel.

[tejkuni]

We need a pace all rounder. We have Farhad Reza, or Masrafee can practice batting a little bit more to fill that position. Otherwise the selectors can think about including Alauddin Babu in the 15 member group to groom him.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by tejkuni
We need a pace all rounder. We have Farhad Reza, or Masrafee can practice batting a little bit more to fill that position. Otherwise the selectors can think about including Alauddin Babu in the 15 member group to groom him.

I dont the need of a pace allrounder. Ziaur Rahman could be a good asset to the team with his part time pace bowling and his hard hitting in death overs.

[Holden]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Now that the Asia Cup is over and we have announced ourselves in a big way lets discuss the possible weaknesses that still remain and the players that could turn it into a strength by 2015.

To me the following are the unanswered questions
1. Who is the best partner for Tamim
2. Who should we try at number 3
3. Should Nasir bat at 4 or at 6?
4. Who will be our third pacer

We did great in this tournament and we can do even better if we can get this sorted out.

1. Who is the best partner for Tamim
In the short-term Imrul Kayes.
He should have been in the side from the start of the Asia Cup. He played really well in the DPL but had a poor BPL, however the other contenders too had a poor DPL (Nazimuddin and Nafees). His DPL form and past performances should have been good enough to get him into the side. Sure he has his limitations but he has generally played very solid in ODIs.
Nazimuddin should never have been selected into the ODI side. He didn't do anything to deserve the call up. Yes he played well in the Tests but that is a different format. The selectors say they are going to pick separate squads for each format but in reality they go back to their trusted simple formula that leads to hideous choices such as Imrul Kayes in Tests, Shahadat in ODIs and Nazimuddin in ODIs.
For the long-term it should be Anamul Haque. He will definitely play for the national team in the near future, probably as an opener or number 3.

2. Who should we try at number 3
Shakib Al Hasan.
The best batsmen in the team should play as high up the order as possible. He has all the characteristics required to be a success at this position; he can rotate strike, he can hit out, he can play aggressive or defensive depending on the situation, and he can change gears.
One thing he needs to improve is his fitness, particularly stamina. He seems to get tired after 60 or so runs but that's probably because he has been carrying this team for so long. His batting style reminds me of Virat Kohli, and while he may not be as successful as Kohli, I think he has the capabilities to score multiple hundreds from this position.

3. Should Nasir bat at 4 or at 6?
Definitely 6. As we have all seen Nasir can struggle to rotate the strike, he depends on boundaries and has a high percentage of dot balls in his innings to date.
The problem is when he goes into poor form and struggles to hit those boundaries, he can't release the pressure by taking singles. Rotating the strike is a vital part of batting in the number 4 position where the player is required to build an innings. This is less required at 6 where the optimum strategy may be get quick runs by to hitting out to get getting boundaries.
Mushfiqur should bat at 4 and in the future, Mominul Haque could be an option there.

4. Who will be our third pacer
This is easy. In ODIs the 3 pacers should be Mashrafe, Rubel and Nazmul. Please no Shahadat, and Shafiul should only be considered as a back up but I would still prefer to try one of the youngsters instead, particularly someone like Alauddin Babu as he has potential to be a pace bowling all-rounder, so he may be able to contribute with the bat as well as be a 3rd pacer.

[Gowza]

why do we need a pacer allrounder? there aren't any who are good enough, and the team is fine without one, imo it's a much stronger unit without a pacer allrounder.

if we were to put one in they'd have to take a specialist pacer spot or a spin allrounder spot. that means they need to be as good or better with the ball than mash, nazmul, rubel, shafiul or offer more than shakib, nasir or riyad.

the only other option is to drop the 2nd spinner (atm razzak) and give that spot to a pacer allrounder but tbh even though i'm not so keen on razzak these days he'll do a better job with the ball than any pacer allrounder we have and we don't need the batting because we bat down to 7 already and mash and razzak can both be pretty handy with the bat.

better we keep the 2nd spinner spot, better we have a 3rd pacer spot and better to keep our trio of spin allrounders (shakib, nasir, riyad). it gives us a stronger bowling unit and stronger batting unit because really all the spin allrounders in the team and even the back-ups (naeem, sabbir etc) are better bats than any pace allrounder and our top 4 pacers are better bowls than any pace allrounder we have.

maybe in t20s it could be a thought, i wouldn't do it for the 50 over format or the test format.

[Equinox]

ODI Best XI (short-term):
Tamim
Imrul
Jahirul
Shakib
Mushfiq+*
Riyad
Nasir
Mashrafe
Razzak
Nazmul
Rubel (Elias if playing in Chittagong or any other spin-friendly pitch)

I've posted my long-term team in another thread.

'A' Team XI:
Anamul
Zunaed
Asif
Mominul
Shuvagoto
Ashraful*
Dhiman+
Shuvo
Shohag
Rabbi
Al-Amin

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Equinox
ODI Best XI (short-term):
Tamim
Imrul
Jahirul
Shakib
Mushfiq+*
Riyad
Nasir
Mashrafe
Razzak
Nazmul
Rubel (Elias if playing in Chittagong or any other spin-friendly pitch)

I've posted my long-term team in another thread.

'A' Team XI:
Anamul
Zunaed
Asif
Mominul
Shuvagoto
Ashraful*
Dhiman+
Shuvo
Shohag
Rabbi
Al-Amin

The short term team you have made is the team that should have been on the field during the asia cup (instead of Rubel cos he was injured). I think Kayes should be trialled at no. 3 because he is a classy batsmen and having 2 classy batsmen in the opening slots is not ideal for a team. Maybe Jahurul and Tamim opening the batting and Imrul comes in at no. 3.

The reason Bangladeshi players struggle at no. 3 is because they cant live up to the expectation of scoring runs in the most vital position in the team.

[Jadukor]

As the rain still keeps us away from cricket, i was revisiting older threads and found a lot of interesting input here. I wonder what is the updated view on the ODI side for the WC 2015 in terms of alternatives by position in light of recent performances.

Here is mine:
1. Tamim
2. Anamul/Shamsur/Naeem
3. Mominul/Marshal/Naeem/Shak/Ryad
4. Mushy/Nasir
5. Shakib/Ryad
6. Nasir/Mushy
7. Ryad/Anamul
8. Zia/Shabbir/Mosaddek
9. Mash/Nazmul/Robiul/Shafiul
10. Gazi/Noor
11. Razzak/Shafiul/Al Amin

Pacers: Robiul, Mash, Nazmul, Al Amin, Shafiul, Rubel
Spinners: Gazi, Razzak, Enamul Hq Jr, Noor Hossain, Saqlain Shajib, Elias Sunny, Arafat Sunny
All Rounders: Mosaddek, Shabbir,Zia, Feza

[Gowza]

i think as usual the middle order is pretty much assured from 4-7 (in whatever order it will be mushy, shakib, nasir, riyad). tamim is still an obvious choice for opener. the #2 and #3 spots are still open (anamul has scored a ton but that shouldn't mean his spot is secured, he needs to be consistent to secure his place). spin will probably still be all about shakib, gazi and razzak i'd imagine. pacers, if mash makes it then he's a sure bet, the others are up in the air, possibly al amin, possibly zia, maybe nazmul, taskin., rubel, robiul.

i think it's unlikely but there could be a small shot of mosaddek jumping up to the national team, he'd probably have to take the #3 spot which i'd say is where naeem and maybe even shamsur are fighting for right now, possibly mominul and marshall to (though i think marshall might been seen as a test specialist and mominul hasn't done well in ODIs so far so the jury is out on him there).

[Nadim]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
As the rain still keeps us away from cricket, i was revisiting older threads and found a lot of interesting input here. I wonder what is the updated view on the ODI side for the WC 2015 in terms of alternatives by position in light of recent performances.

Here is mine:
1. Tamim
2. Anamul/Shamsur/Naeem
3. Mominul/Marshal/Naeem/Shak/Ryad
4. Mushy/Nasir
5. Shakib/Ryad
6. Nasir/Mushy
7. Ryad/Anamul
8. Zia/Shabbir/Mosaddek
9. Mash/Nazmul/Robiul/Shafiul
10. Gazi/Noor
11. Razzak/Shafiul/Al Amin

Pacers: Robiul, Mash, Nazmul, Al Amin, Shafiul, Rubel
Spinners: Gazi, Razzak, Enamul Hq Jr, Noor Hossain, Saqlain Shajib, Elias Sunny, Arafat Sunny
All Rounders: Mosaddek, Shabbir,Zia, Feza

No Taskin. Only injury is keeping him out of nats squad(accorsing to SJ)

[BD_TigerZ]

Tamim
Anamul/Naeem
Mominul/Naeem
Mushy
Shakib
Nasir
Riyad/Shabbir
Gazi
Mash
Razzak
Taskin

--

Zia
Al Amin
Noor
Toss up spinner.
Naeem
Shamsur
Nazmul
Mossadek

#1, 4-6, Gazi, Lala, Mash are secured for me.

Riyad is still a sissy and his spot is up for grabs but for the time being he is doing a good job.

We need 2,3 and Pacer Hopefully a stronger faster more fit Taskin.

Please no Fezass, Roks, Imruls, Aumis, Mofees, Mehrab These guys are waste of time and space. Lets look forward and invest in the young guns who thrive under pressure and are hungry for the best. We will surely go forward. Look at Mominul, Gazi, Nasir. I hope Taskin, Shabbir and Noor are the next big guns of bd cricket.

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by Gowza
i think it's unlikely but there could be a small shot of mosaddek jumping up to the national team, he'd probably have to take the #3 spot which i'd say is where naeem and maybe even shamsur are fighting for right now, possibly mominul and marshall to (though i think marshall might been seen as a test specialist and mominul hasn't done well in ODIs so far so the jury is out on him there).

I am excited about Mosaddek. Hopefully we can watch him develop through 2014 and take the call whether to select him or not in 2015. I would draft him into the A team to see how he goes.

Another guy who could be useful is Noor Hossain Munna

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
I am excited about Mosaddek. Hopefully we can watch him develop through 2014 and take the call whether to select him or not in 2015. I would draft him into the A team to see how he goes.

Another guy who could be useful is Noor Hossain Munna

in 2015 he'll still only be 19 so tough to say he'll be ready by then, plus the middle order is already packed so it would also come down to how the middle order is performing at the time as to whether he'd get the call or not (assuming he himself has performed and is ready).

noor i agree is someone to think about, but if they are seriously thinking about him then they should give him some experience now, he has a good list A record and there aren't many leg spinners around so it's a useful variation to have especially if you have a decent proponent of it. but then there is also the u19 kid jubair (is that him?) he seems to be a good leg spin prospect as well.

[Habib]

Originally Posted by BD_TigerZ
Tamim
Anamul/Naeem
Mominul/Naeem
Mushy
Shakib
Nasir
Riyad/Shabbir
Gazi
Mash
Razzak
Taskin

--

Zia
Al Amin
Noor
Toss up spinner.
Naeem
Shamsur
Nazmul
Mossadek

#1, 4-6, Gazi, Lala, Mash are secured for me.

Riyad is still a sissy and his spot is up for grabs but for the time being he is doing a good job.

We need 2,3 and Pacer Hopefully a stronger faster more fit Taskin.

Please no Fezass, Roks, Imruls, Aumis, Mofees, Mehrab These guys are waste of time and space. Lets look forward and invest in the young guns who thrive under pressure and are hungry for the best. We will surely go forward. Look at Mominul, Gazi, Nasir. I hope Taskin, Shabbir and Noor are the next big guns of bd cricket.

Agree with your XI, except I'd continue to have Shakib bat at no. 4. Since he is the best ODI batsman we have, he needs to have more overs to bat. Then Nasir (our Bevan) and Mushy should come at no. 5 and 6 respectively.