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Old August 5, 2004, 11:58 PM
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These r called our main guys!
(See the averages written above)

Among these 4 main players, Mohammad Ashraful and Hannan Sarkar's batting average is increasing, slowly with each tournament that they play, whereas Habibul Bashar and Alok Kapali's batting average (I'm talking about in ODIs in particular) is decreasing.

Doesn't it mean something?

Among the other players whom we do not consider to be our main batsman, most of the ODIs that Rana played, some of them include batting avg against Zimbabwe, a far weaker side in bowling (just look at our batting stats against them - all our above 250 totals are against them), Khaled Mashud is a far more experienced player.

And besides, the players with better average, those whom we don't consider to be our main players, have faced a slightly older ball - so again, we're facing the same problem - NEW BALL PHENOMENON.

Only Javed Omar has a better batting average even after he is facing the new ball. But then again, he is a specialist opening batsman, so he should have a better batting average considering his experience - in facing the new ball.
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Old August 6, 2004, 12:05 AM
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Even Rajin Saleh's batting average is decreasing; I hope his avg stays where it is now.

I am making a new thread giving the proper info.
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Old August 6, 2004, 06:40 AM
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by the way people, akram khan is in queens (nyc) playing club cricket for Club 46... his scores in the last two games - 22 and 26.
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Old August 7, 2004, 01:01 PM
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I think we are all forgetting about Biddut.If he is fit than he should be brought back as Gullu's partner.
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Old August 7, 2004, 02:34 PM
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Minazul Abedin who played in 99 World Cup should be bought back to bat in the middle order and lend his experience in batting english conditions before.

He can't do anyworse!! It will give Kapali or someone else a bit of a rest.????
it is most like unrealistic to our selectors.
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Old August 8, 2004, 05:10 AM
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rafiq,

Nafees Iqbal got his debut last year against England. He played two matchs in his home soil and failed to impress with his 9 and 4. Well the argument could be raised that a player of his talent should not be judged by only those two innings after all he had a majestic century against the same opponent. I have seen him playing and I guess I should be the last person to have any doubt about the talent he possess. But still all I am proposing that let him be more mature and then bring him. He will be able to serve us long and without any hickup. the oppening problem is a long one. Everybody says that we dont have sufficient number of oppners. But I will disagree. After 1997 we had a very good influx of oppeners. Players like Bidyut, Oppee, Golla, Ashraful and even Nafees Iqbal and even U19 Nafees Ahmed is doing great in England. but what happened lot of these Oppeners for whatever reasons got out of the team and then struggled to come back and in the mean time we pushed a newer blood to take their space and when this new blood failed we couldnot go back to old one and looked for a newer one. By doing this we are just wasting all these players. Gordon always used to say I am agreed to play with some little undderclass players for couple years if that guarantees time needed to mature up those who are real talanted. And anyways Nafees have not done anything majestic yet after that century against england last year. I donot see anything but his raw talent that might make him qualify for the national team, if he is qualified. Look We have brought in players like Alok, Al shahriar, tushar, shipon for their talent even before they could actually earn the place. As soon as they failed we have thrown them out. Rokon can never come back. But was there any doubt about his talent? Alok... we are talking to drop him.... is there any doubt about his talent? No, there is none. But why we are dropping them.......because they failed to prove themselves.......... they could not score upto their talent or ability or the demand of the situation. I dont blame them. If anybody has to blame that gotta be us.......Why is that? cause when they came to the team they didnot come by proving them.....lets face it they didnot earn it............. you cant have raw steels and then say this steel can carry 500 ppl, lets put it on the deep sea.No matter how much quality the steel has its bound to sink that way. You have to make the ship out of it, test it for safety and only when it can withstand much harder test you know it will withstand all the ups and downs of the sea and will reach shore. I can wait till I make the ship and test it thoroughly untill I am satisfied it won't sink.........I dont see anything wrong with that approach at all.............
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Old August 8, 2004, 06:35 AM
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That's a very nice argument you put up here. Well versed. But you know what even if Nafees continues to practice on way to become more mature, no one can gurantee that he will be free of ups and downs (or as you said, "without any hickup").

Yes, he was rushed into the team following his arrival to the airport from Pakistan. Yes, his performance was not worth mentioning. Yes, only two games do not tell anything. Yes, he might not be 100% ready. But he is ready nonetheless given his tight training with the U19 team for over a year now. He could be refined further in 'in-service' training with Whatmore.

Cricket structure in our country has a lot to do with his potential selection. You see, players of our current team never experienced the high profile training until very recently. They were blessed with their natural talent only refined by local and other low profile coaches with even lower support staffs and facilities. That's why they are struggling now. They have reached the peak of their abilities and it is next to impossible to make them any better. The result? Well, they will shine in a few games only to be flopped in the rest. They will remain inconsistant. It is not their fault entirely by any means.

With the newer generations of players like Ashraful, Kapali and the likes, there is hope. Since they were exposed to better training at a relatively younger age, it is quite possible for them to make noticeable progress than their older compatriots. If you force Bashar to make drastic changes in his style, he will forget batting. Whatmore is probably handling the oldies correctly in a sense that he is not making too much fuss about their styles other than some basics in order just to get the maximum return with minimum changes in player's styles and habits.

Going further down, the current U19 players are significantly better equipped both mentaly and physically to take charge for the future call. The call might come early for a few while it may take a long time for others. But good thing is when the call finally comes, they will be much easier to refine than the likes of Rokon, Tushar or even Kapali for that matter.

Those oldies have talent. But the talent is only a small part of the puzzle. You need to control your concentration, sharpen your reflexes, hold on to your patience, handle the pressure, exert the pressure upon the opponent, judge and manipulate the situation and above all your mind and body must be able, ready and willing to do such things all while your talent and practice well incorporated into the solid basics. And there lies one of the major differences between these two generations.

We already know our limits with the current players. We could go as far as to win a game or two every now and then. But for the thunder, we need the newer generation. Until the arrival of the fresh blood we possibly can not justify our dreams to push any team to their limits consistantly.
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Old August 8, 2004, 07:56 AM
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I agree with both mafizraju & Chinaman.

mafizraju:
Like you I would like to see our well trained U19 players play more real matches against senior teams on foreign soil to hone their skills and get accustomed with pressure-cooker match situation. But trouble is we don't play A team matches so under the circumstances, when we need to replace some of our obvious hapless national players, we have no other choices but to inject some U19 players forcefully and only hope that they couldn't do worse than their predecessor's dismal performance.

Chinaman:
You can train your most talented players only so much, but to assess various aspects of their game and get them prepared in real terms for international cricket I don't see any other route than to send them playing A team matches on foreign soil. It's difficult to say an U19 player is ready for international cricket based on his performance in the U19 level.

[Edited on 8-8-2004 by Zephaniah]
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Old August 12, 2004, 04:16 AM
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Default Minhajul Abedin World Cup Batting Averages

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Minhajul Abedin 4 4 2 140 68*
He is the man who has make two 50 in world cup from bangladesh
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Old August 12, 2004, 07:03 AM
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Mraju:

I agree openers are dropped and chopped too often. Even Javed was about to be until a couple of better scores in the Asian Cup. Inability to play pace well obviously has a lot to do with it. Hopefully they all get longer chances to settle and learn in the future.

On Nafees Iqbal, he just had double ton in the practise match and then a woeful 2nd test. That's been his net performance so far - not much in real games. Yet he is in the team, so no amount of debating now can change that fact. That;s all I was trying to point out. The other Nafees seems to be in better form!
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Old August 5, 2005, 07:24 PM
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Is Mehrab out of form now..... or still stuck due to that suspension in the domestic league........... he could be one of our options as oppener along with javed, bidyut and hannan.......(not considering nafees, let him have some more experience and learn not to through away wickets, after all we are expecting long service from this man)
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Old August 6, 2005, 12:05 AM
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Old August 6, 2005, 12:09 AM
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Sorry...for the above remark. It was ment to pinch Mr. Boycott!! I don't think bringing back Nannu will solve our prob.
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Old August 6, 2005, 04:41 AM
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just wondering what made the delay of replying a post posted nearly one year ago..( & by now which become a dead subject too)
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Old August 6, 2005, 12:33 PM
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No doubt, all of them were great cricketers and we would love to have their service when they were at their pick.

But you have to understand, they have aged, their reflex has slowed down and now, they are not national level anymore.

We need to accept the fact, "their time has come and gone" and move on.

Edited on, August 6, 2005, 9:58 PM GMT, by Mahmood.
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Originally posted by SHISH AHMED
Minazul Abedin who played in 99 World Cup should be bought back to bat in the middle order and lend his experience in batting english conditions before.

He can't do anyworse!! It will give Kapali or someone else a bit of a rest.????
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Old August 7, 2005, 04:01 AM
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Minazul Abedin who played in 99 World Cup should be bought back to bat in the middle order and lend his experience in batting english conditions before.

He can't do anyworse!! It will give Kapali or someone else a bit of a rest.????
Minhaj is the Grandfather of our new sension wicket keeper, a 16 years old!
Make space for these people, and do not wish to see 'dada aar nati ek shathey', and 'dada - nati perfectly ideal for Television Bangla Magazine Show 'ITTADI'........

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Old August 7, 2005, 04:14 AM
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This topic was posted over a year a go. At the time more experience would have helped the younger players.

Remind me how Bangladesh did in the champions trophy ??
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Old August 7, 2005, 08:13 AM
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I'm not sure how Nannu could've helped BD in the Champions trophy.
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Old August 7, 2005, 10:12 AM
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I'm not sure how Nannu could've helped BD in the Champions trophy.

He could not have done any worse, it was worth a try at the time as some of the youngsters were struggling!!!
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Old August 9, 2005, 02:12 AM
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I dont think its a positive idea to bring back old players. Without taking stats into consideration, I believe these new players are infact much more better in technique and mentality than them. So, I would very much like to stick to the new generation and let the Nannu/AKram/bulubul etc get involved in more constructive work like coaching local younger players.
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