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Old January 17, 2013, 01:54 PM
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wat?

I am a big nuclear power supporter for BD. But lets not spread misinformation, not only does Bd sits on earthquake fault line but is due for a big one. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have nuclear power. It means we should be extra extra cautious and learn from others mistakes.

If done right, nuclear power is one of the safest and cleanest source of power. The thing is people makes mistakes and screw **** up, that was the reason for almost all recent nuclear power station disaster. The power plants are as safe as they come.
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Old January 17, 2013, 09:47 PM
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Given 4 years back our overall output was around 4400MW makes 1000 MW an increase in capacity by 25% approx... The only reason i am quoting 4 year old figure is because most new power plants are rental power plants which run on expensive imported fuel.

Nuclear power plant is the only option we have for future given the cheap source and low pollution.. Nuclear is also safe technology now, Chernobyl will never happen with the present safety features, Fukushima is also unlikely given bangladesh does not fall in earthquake zone...
3mile island was really not catastrophic, the power plants safety feature did work and shut down the plant the way it was meant to.
There is no doubt that we need to go for Neuclear power generation and it's safe and clean too. Although the potential risk factor, in case of a disaster is bigger. My point is, if we are taking a risk, why not make it worth taking the risk, but making a reasonable size in terms of output.

According to government plan, they need to generate another 5000 MW in next 6 years. And all sorts of corruption and mismanagement is going on with those, like rental, contracts without even a tenders etc etc..... SEE NEWS

@OW, You probably told the actual things what's going to happen...
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+1 on nuclear power plant

Btw, goood move by our netri. Now, we can finally take over Burma! Our population needs space, has to come from somewhere

Then, after Burma, we'll conquer Thailand .. Laos .. Malaysia .. Indonesia .. Vietnam .. Brunei .. Phillipines.

We shall become Kingdom of Bangladeshia
We will keep fighting and capturing additional land and population (Specially Female Varieties) masses, until you are able to find out a suitable bride within our boundaries....

Looks like, you like Bocha Projoti....why all those countries u like to capture??
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Old January 18, 2013, 05:46 AM
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There is no doubt that we need to go for Neuclear power generation and it's safe and clean too. Although the potential risk factor, in case of a disaster is bigger. My point is, if we are taking a risk, why not make it worth taking the risk, but making a reasonable size in terms of output.

According to government plan, they need to generate another 5000 MW in next 6 years. And all sorts of corruption and mismanagement is going on with those, like rental, contracts without even a tenders etc etc..... SEE NEWS

@OW, You probably told the actual things what's going to happen...
I give you an insight of Bangladesh's Nuclear Power Programme and Power Gerneration Expanision planning.

bangladesh has developed a power system master plan or PSMP (BPDB, PGCB, Power Division and Japanese consultant developed it), where they have studied the demand forecast upto 2013, the avilabilty of sources of fuel, their reserve etc etc.

according to the PSMP in 2015 BD will require 11,500 MW, in 2020 bd will require 20000 MW and in 2030 BD will require 30000 MW electricity.

again as different fuel availbilty and future scenarios have been analyzed the energy mix for future has also been anlyzed for the period upto 2030

now lets consider the nuclear share. according to PSMP, it is advised that BD introduces 2000 MW of Nuclear power around 2020~2022 period and further 2000-3000 MW in 2025~2030.

so by 2030 BD may have 5000 MW of nuclear power.

so in that view the present govt have initiated the activities to establishh 2000 MW of nuclear power by 2021 and an IGA (inter governmental agreement) was signed with russian federation in november 2011 regarding construction of 2 units of 1000 MW, i.e is a total of 2000 MW.

now there are some limitations of the max capacity of a single unit a GRID system of a country can have depending on the GRID capacity of the network. because when that largest unit will suddenly shutdown it may create instability in the network. thats why before 2022 we cant introduce a unit larger that 1000 MW. after 2022 it may be allowed that a 1500 MW unit can be introduced to the grid.

Rooppur, Pabna, beside harding bridge has already been identified as the site for this 2000 MW plant of two units.

the 500M loan grant will cover all pre-construction feasibilty studies including site specific engg and environmental studies and preparatory activites for construction, detailed designing of plant, identification of infrastructure development needs, human resource development needs etc etc.

after feasibilty studies have been completed the the amount needed for construction of plant will be finalized and another loan deal will be signed. and MOU in this regard has also been signed during this visit of PM. the cost may be around 4-6 billion US dollrs depending on safety features we require once we analyze the geology, morphology, hydrology, topography etc etc of Rooppur Site.

if everything goes smoothly the engg and env studies and feasibility study will take 12-18 month and then we will know whats the total project cost. then the designing and site preparation may take another 12-18 months and then we may be ready for construction for the first unit. so the construction may start within 2-3 years. and it will take around 6 years. so within 8 to-9 years from now i.e 2021-2022 the first unit of 1000 MW may be in operation. the construction of second will start just after one year of the start of the first unit. so it may be in operation one year after the first one.

so may be by 2023 two units of nuclear power of about 200 MW will be introduced. u may hear our minister tell that the 2000 MW will be ready by 2020 or 2021, but that is over ambitious and political strtement as AL have that vision 2021.

also when the feasibilty study will be completed we will also learn whether it will be possible to construct two further units at Rooppur or not. if yes the we may continue with Russia for the further two units. but if not, we may look for new potential sites and we may then continue with russia or look for another vendor (may be korea).

i hope the above information will be useful for you. if u (or anybody else in BC FORUM)still have queries you can ask, i will try to answer you.

we may also move our discussion to the following thread we already had some discussion previously

Dhaka, Moscow set to ink nuke energy deal
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Old January 18, 2013, 09:40 AM
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I give you an insight of Bangladesh's Nuclear Power Programme and Power Gerneration Expanision planning.

bangladesh has developed a power system master plan or PSMP (BPDB, PGCB, Power Division and Japanese consultant developed it), where they have studied the demand forecast upto 2013, the avilabilty of sources of fuel, their reserve etc etc.

according to the PSMP in 2015 BD will require 11,500 MW, in 2020 bd will require 20000 MW and in 2030 BD will require 30000 MW electricity.
Very informative post Sagar bhai. Clearly, even if we use our potential for nuclear energy to the maximum, we'll still have a shortfall of power. How will that be generated? We have been hearing about coal mining projects and a few, expensive renewable energy proposals. Are they likely to come to fruition?
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Old January 18, 2013, 10:27 AM
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Very informative post Sagar bhai. Clearly, even if we use our potential for nuclear energy to the maximum, we'll still have a shortfall of power. How will that be generated? We have been hearing about coal mining projects and a few, expensive renewable energy proposals. Are they likely to come to fruition?
currently in BD if u consider source of fuel

Coal 3.91 %
F.Oil 1.72 %
Gas 74.84 %
HFO 5.25 %
HSD 10.68 %
Hydro 3.6 %

in future it is targeted that nuclear will be around 10%, coal will have a huge share like 40-60 %, gas will decrease to about 30-40%, and also there are plans of about 10% of cross-border import from india.

so basically our gas reserve in decreasing, unless we find some new sources, so it very important that the coal based plants gets the go. other wise we are doomed
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Old January 18, 2013, 09:52 PM
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currently in BD if u consider source of fuel

Coal 3.91 %
F.Oil 1.72 %
Gas 74.84 %
HFO 5.25 %
HSD 10.68 %
Hydro 3.6 %

in future it is targeted that nuclear will be around 10%, coal will have a huge share like 40-60 %, gas will decrease to about 30-40%, and also there are plans of about 10% of cross-border import from india.

so basically our gas reserve in decreasing, unless we find some new sources, so it very important that the coal based plants gets the go. other wise we are doomed
I have a question not so much related to this thread- what will happen when our supply of natural gas significantly reduces or say we run out? how will we cook and how will we run vehicles as i hear renewable energies are very expensive to produce. And i guess we dont have unlimited stock of coal as well.
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Lol, looks like The Offstump has found his category. :p
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Old January 18, 2013, 11:11 PM
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Old January 20, 2013, 04:40 AM
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I have a question not so much related to this thread- what will happen when our supply of natural gas significantly reduces or say we run out? how will we cook and how will we run vehicles as i hear renewable energies are very expensive to produce. And i guess we dont have unlimited stock of coal as well.
cooking; all we have to do is produce enough electricity so that homes can use electric cookers and ovens.

vehicles: also electrical subways, metro lines, trains etc should be the core of transportation system so that pressure on fossil-fuel driven vehicles decreases. and again you need to produce enough electricity ..... .....

the problem in bd is huge population but not enough land to extract enough resources and not enough money to establish power plants and not enough money to import fuels and not enough good planning and intentions from policy makers.
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Old January 21, 2013, 10:55 AM
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Use the link below to check out the shopping list and interest paid on the purchase.

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Old January 21, 2013, 11:48 AM
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Given the population we have in a small area we need electricity every corner of the country, be it for consume or production, we desperatly need nuclear power plant which atleast cover 20% - 30% of total power needs. Then again any disaster might cause catastrophic damage to such densely populated area. At the end its up our unique reality and choice, since we dont have much other options in hand.
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So which is more expensive, Padma bridge or RNPP?
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Old January 24, 2013, 05:43 AM
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So which is more expensive, Padma bridge or RNPP?
surely RNPP.

padma bridge is probably 3 billion USD, whereas the actual cost of RNPP is yet known. currently 500 million USD have been granted for all preparatory works before FCD(first concrete date).

the cost of construction will be possible to calculate once we conclude the feasibility study, which will take around 1-1.5 year. initial calculations estimates almost 4-6 USD for the 2000 MW (1000MW x 2) which may not include the cost of Grid System Expansion and Capital Dredging of a River Route from Pakshi-Mongla. Govt are supposed to take different projects for that.
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