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Old May 4, 2012, 07:57 AM
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Default The best allrounders of all time

i think for the majority sobers and imran are the best allrounders of all time but there are a lot of other great ones: kallis, keith miller, ian botham, kapil dev, richard hadlee, eddie barlow, alan davidson, aubrey faulkner, trevor goddard, shaun pollock, wilfred rhodes, chris cairns, abdul razzaq, andrew flintoff, tony greig, monty noble, richie benaud, baron constantine, vinoo mankad, wasim akram and mike procter.

how do you rate the others? and if you don't think sobers and imran are the best then who do you think are the best?
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Gowza bhai....I have no idea about most of the names....maybe I wasn't even born at that time....
According to me...

1. Sir Garfield Sobers(saw youtube videos)
2. Imran Khan (ditto)
3. Kapil Dev (ditto)
4. Jack Kallis
5. Abdur Razzaq
6. Andrew Flintoff
7. Shaun Pollock
8. Wasim Akram
9 and 10 Waiting......
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Old May 4, 2012, 10:02 AM
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From the matches I've seen(not YouTube videos), definitely Kallis & Flintoff. Anyone remember this over from Flintoff? Just so fierce, wish we had a bowler like that!

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@zinatf, 10. Lance Klusener?
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Old May 4, 2012, 09:01 PM
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forgot clive rice. mike procter was an incredible talent, didn't truly get to show his stuff at the highest level which is a shame. viv richards as an allrounder?

you see even though they are great players and could both bat and bowl guys like shaun pollock, richard hadlee, wasim akram and alan davidson were bowlers who could bat rather than allrounders. i think they get their allrounder status because they are top class bowlers and are capable of scoring big runs like centuries occassionally and 50s a bit more often. those types of allrounders i generally wouldn't rate as the best allrounders because i consider them more bowlers than batsmen.

botham and miller were great allrounders, and barlow was pretty good to. i loved watching chris cairns, explosive with the bat at times and a really solid bowler. of course we also have dwayne bravo who is decent, kieron pollard has potential (although he doesn't bowl quite enough for allrounder status maybe), and andre russell i think very highly of, i reckon he'll be awesome but he's not played enough yet.

btw don't be scared to through shakib's name up there.... he's a terrific allrounder, with a few more games (test matches) i think he'll be considered a top quality allrounder by everyone.
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oops Gowza bhai my bad :P
and Maysun Klusener is definitely a very good performer....but I don't know.....as an all-time one.....
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Gowza a lot can happen by the time Shakib retires. I mean as of right now the signs are good, only time will tell. He still has a long long way to go.
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Gowza a lot can happen by the time Shakib retires. I mean as of right now the signs are good, only time will tell. He still has a long long way to go.
true, but in one-dayers he's getting better especially with the bat, and in tests his batting is starting to come along. most already consider him a very good allrounder if not the best atm.
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oops Gowza bhai my bad :P
and Maysun Klusener is definitely a very good performer....but I don't know.....as an all-time one.....
ian botham is considered one of the greatest of all time, same with hadlee.......i know their stats aren't the best (hadlee's batting and botham just generally) but they are put up there with sobers, imran, dev, miller, kallis.
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ian botham is considered one of the greatest of all time, same with hadlee.......i know their stats aren't the best (hadlee's batting and botham just generally) but they are put up there with sobers, imran, dev, miller, kallis.
Have heard both as greats......but if you closely read my above posts you will see that I haven't had the luxury to be born in that era! I think there's a tournament named under Chappell-Hadlee and yes, Hadlee's have been considered as one of the Aussie greats along with the names of Border, Bradman et al.
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Hadlee's have been considered as one of the Aussie greats
Hadlee is a Kiwi. Speaking of Kiwis, no love for Cairns? Or the ex Saffer skipper Cronje? Never mind, keyword "great" - neither quite deserves the title although both were very good.

Imran, Sobers, Botham, Hadlee and Dev will have to be right there at the top. All rounders really only started to make an impact on the game with the evolution of limited overs cricket, before the introduction of which they were still a rare breed.
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Another obvious Kiwi contender would be Daniel Bhattachariya.
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Hadlee is a Kiwi. Speaking of Kiwis, no love for Cairns? Or the ex Saffer skipper Cronje? Never mind, keyword "great" - neither quite deserves the title although both were very good.

Imran, Sobers, Botham, Hadlee and Dev will have to be right there at the top. All rounders really only started to make an impact on the game with the evolution of limited overs cricket, before the introduction of which they were still a rare breed.
I was a huge fan of Cronje until tthat scandal..

For me the all time great genuine all rounders wlould be Sobers, Imran, Kapil, Botham and our Shakib will be remembered along with these names in the future Inshallah !! People already considers him as one of the finest all rounder of all time (in the KKR interview that`s how they introduced him)

Kallis should be there but I don`t like him..
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i think for the majority sobers and imran are the best allrounders of all time but ...

how do you rate the others? and if you don't think sobers and imran are the best then who do you think are the best?
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i think for the majority sobers and imran are the best allrounders of all time but there are a lot of other great ones: kallis, keith miller, ian botham, kapil dev, richard hadlee, eddie barlow, alan davidson, aubrey faulkner, trevor goddard, shaun pollock, wilfred rhodes, chris cairns, abdul razzaq, andrew flintoff, tony greig, monty noble, richie benaud, baron constantine, vinoo mankad, wasim akram and mike procter.

how do you rate the others? and if you don't think sobers and imran are the best then who do you think are the best?
Had a thread on this:

Sobering Shakib and Kallis
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'Being an allrounder is taxing but the rewards are double'
Part one: Jacques Kallis talks about the challenges of being a batsman and a bowler, and the secret of his success (04:57)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...io/560517.html
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Old May 5, 2012, 10:32 AM
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^Zulfiqar bhai please! Emneteo mejaj 49 hoye ase Shakib-ke na deikha...er opor diye Kallis-er video diyen na to.......grrr!!!
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But he is pretty darn tootin' good.
IPL aar koi diner? Test is the real venue to leave a mark.
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Hai-rey ai panch bocherer IPL er itihash na patihash...tai niye eto lafalafi.
Test nation hoiso, eto gorbo asey... aar ai ipl niya eto kannakati...
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Old May 5, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Bujhar ki na ase? Jeikhane player discrimination hoi emon tournament (oitare care-i ba ke kore?) er ****** kilai! Ashuk t20! Babu shonara....shob gulare dekhabo moja!

Ar Insha Allah....Shakib career shesh-e aro 10/15 bochore deikhen era koi jai Insha Allah.....
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That's the spirit. Focus on the important stuff...ipl is like the gladiators of Rome, for entertainment for the masses. Test is test.
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It`s not about IPL but I just don`t like Kallis .. I find him a selfish player.. don`t like his batting style and bowling is nothing extra ordinary.. Of course I can`t deny the fact that he is a great all rounder of all time.. But to me Imran, Botham, Kapil and even Vettori will have the edge over Kallis .. And of course I would take Shakib any day over Kallis ..
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You don't like Kallis' batting style! Wow!
Never heard that one before!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with it?
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