Need a medium pace allrounder for national team

[M.H.Rubel]

Who is going to take the position?Batting all rounder Farhad Reza? Bowling all rounder Mahbubul Alam or some one else?

[Nadim]

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ad.php?t=29157

Chokmok Sen is there.......Soccer20 reserve where ru?

[WarWolf]

Why don't you put an ad on the national news papers for the post of the medium pace all rounder?

[nzfan]

1 50 when he is not under any pressure at all and you are calling mahbubel alam an allrounder......

[cricket_king]

Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
Who is going to take the position?Batting all rounder Farhad Reza? Bowling all rounder Mahbubul Alam or some one else?

Farhad Reza is way too nervous to be able to handle international cricket.

As for Mahbubul - one fluky innings doesn't make you a decent batsman. And his bowling? I bet I could get a few big hits in on his juicy 120 km length balls.

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by cricket_king
Farhad Reza is way too nervous to be able to handle international cricket.

As for Mahbubul - one fluky innings doesn't make you a decent batsman. And his bowling? I bet I could get a few big hits in on his juicy 120 km length balls.

Farhad Reza is not a good all rounder that i know. But his first class batting career is excellent average above 36 bowling average 25.His list a career batting 20.4 and bowling average 29.If we dont have any good quality medium pace all rounder in that case he can serve as a batting all sounder like Mahmudulah.And i am sure if he can perform his previous level he will be able to make a place in national team as the place is vacant.Do we have any other medium pace all sounder?

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[cricket_king]

Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
Farhad Reza is not a good all rounder that i know. But his first class batting career is excellent. And he can bowl as well.If we dont have any good quality medium pace all rounder in that case he can serve as a batting all sounder like Mahmudulah.Do we have any other medium pace all sounder?

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I can guarantee Farhad Reza's failure in the international arena. He's that bad in my opinion. And no, we don't have any pacer all-rounders. Quite sad really. They all seem to spinning allrounders.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by cricket_king
I can guarantee Farhad Reza's failure in the international arena.

And I guarantee that if he get chance again, he will prove you wrong again. And that is based on his past record of him in the team. But what I am not sure is if he will indeed make it to the national team again. The team is loaded with all-rounders who are doing ok right now.

There is a tendency among some fans to discount young players too early forgetting that inexperienced players have room to grow with experience. What we need to see is sign of improvement as they get more experienced.... are they improving or moving in a circle...are they learning from their mistakes or not..are they raising their performance in key moments or not?

For example we already know what we can get from Ashraful or Mashrafee or Rasel or Razzak. But its too early to say that we already know what Dollar, Naeem, Junaid, Robin, Rubel or farhad can give in future. These players are still developing.

In the past we prematurely tagged Shakib as too slow a batsman and his spinning is not TEST caliber; or Tamim is not good for TEST and has lots of limitation to be successful long term, or Dollar is bhua and no good, or Farhad's bolwing is way way below par and no good, or Riad is noo good either with bowling or batting and he is too slow as a batsman to be successful in ODI and he is no TEST calibre player, etc, etc.... these all proved wrong (so far) as they are/were progressing nicely and proving us wrong.

So please don't discount these young players before they have the opportunity to grow. Now should Farhad be in the team immediately? That where we agree... he should pay his due and make a case and wait for his chance before he gets his another chance. But guaranteeing that he will be a failure when he is in the team? That's where we disagree. Its too early to say one way or other.

[cricket_king]

Originally Posted by Fazal
And I guarantee that if he get chance again, he will prove you wrong again. And that is based on his past record of him in the team.

Firstly, he hasn't proven me wrong about anything yet. Secondly, though I agree with the fact that it's slightly early to write him off, I don't see how his past record indicates any success in the near future. Debutants who end up like Farhad usually score a few 'flash in the pan' scores against some quality opposition, and then fade away. Farhad's batting average against decent opposition is embarrassing to say the least, and he's had a few opportunities to score some runs down the order, but in the end failed in most matches, though, so did the rest of the team. His couple of notable innings came against Zimbabwe and Kenya, but that was at the start of his career when he was picked for good form.

Quoting Rifat bhai from the 'Next debutant' thread:

Form is temporary, class is permanent. Usually what happens is the the Players enjoy amazing form but by the time they arrive at the national team, the form deteriorates and we see their average class and then the truth is exposed! That player simply doesn't belong with the elite teams...

Farhad simply doesn't belong either IMO.

[bujhee kom]

Originally Posted by cricket_king
Farhad Reza is way too nervous to be able to handle international cricket. .....

Originally Posted by cricket_king
I can guarantee Farhad Reza's failure in the international arena. He's that bad in my opinion. And no, we don't have any pacer all-rounders. Quite sad really. They all seem to spinning allrounders.

Originally Posted by Fazal
And I guarantee that if he get chance again, he will prove you wrong again. And that is based on his past record of him in the team. But what I am not sure is if he will indeed make it to the national team again. The team is loaded with all-rounders who are doing ok right now.

There is a tendency among some fans to discount young players too early forgetting that inexperienced players have room to grow with experience. What we need to see is sign of improvement as they get more experienced.... are they improving or moving in a circle...are they learning from their mistakes or not..are they raising their performance in key moments or not?

........
So please don't discount these young players before they have the opportunity to grow. Now should Farhad be in the team immediately? That where we agree... he should pay his due and make a case and wait for his chance before he gets his another chance. But guaranteeing that he will be a failure when he is in the team? That's where we disagree. Its too early to say one way or other.

I am so sorry, I always try to understand Fazal mama's philosophy on life and almost all of his concepts are crystal clear and almost proven but I never understood his fascination with Farhad Reza! Here I am sorry I have to agree with C_K a bit too much as I always feel that histeam can't really rely on Reza either for batting or bowling against top opposition! I think Reza is a good mid-level medium all-rounder but only in the BD domestic level and for that standard but he is no threat to any international batsman or bowler!

I really honestly think Farhad Reza is Fazal mama's close relative, like a son or nephew or grand-son or something and he always protects him heavily like a mother hen over her chicks!

[yaseer]

Need genuine Fast Bowler/Medium Pacer and Spinner.

We already have enough bits and pieces all-rounder like Nayeem, Riyad and even Farhad. No more of these. We badly need some wicket taking specialists in bowling area.

[simon]

I heard Dolar can hit the ball hard & may have some bttng abilities.

[abz..+]

Originally Posted by simon
I heard Dolar can hit the ball hard & may have some bttng abilities.

but we need a pure allrounder like flintoff

[wiseshah]

i dont see any at this moment or i know of

some possibilities

1. dolar mahmud
2. ziaur rahman
3. farhad reza
4. mashrafe mortza---only recognized allrounder

is there any more name.may be gowza can answer this

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by wiseshah
i dont see any at this moment or i know of

some possibilities

1. dolar mahmud
2. ziaur rahman
3. farhad reza
4. mashrafe mortza---only recognized allrounder

is there any more name.may be gowza can answer this

All of following Dollar,Ziaur,Mahbubul Alam can bat a bit but none of them r true all rounder.Doller's domestic batting everage is around 14.Same to Zia.Mahboobul Alam's batting career is poor but it seems he has decent batting technique.All have good domestic bowling record.So they can be bowling all rounder like great Mash.Even if they practice more they can bat better as all of them r young.But at present any other option we have?

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[wiseshah]

Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
All of following Dollar,Ziaur,Mahbubul Alam can bat a bit but none of them r true all rounder.Doller's domestic batting everage is around 14.Same to Zia.Mahboobul Alam's batting career is poor but it seems he has decent batting technique.All have good domestic bowling record.So they can be bowling all rounder like great Mash.Even if they practice more they can bat better as all of them r young.But at present any other option we have?

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isnt ziaur Rahman scored a blistering century in last 20/20 league? i think there are some more example

dollar's batting was good in A team or under 19 level. he made couple 50 plus innings.

i think farhad reza has potentiality of becoming true allrounder--if he gets chance

only all rounder ATM is mashrafe mortaza.

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by wiseshah
isnt ziaur Rahman scored a blistering century in last 20/20 league? i think there are some more example

dollar's batting was good in A team or under 19 level. he made couple 50 plus innings.

i think farhad reza has potentiality of becoming true allrounder--if he gets chance

only all rounder ATM is mashrafe mortaza.

I still do not condsider Mortaza as an allrounder but a bowling allrounder...I don't see him moving at surprise #3...wait a minute...that's a brilliant Idea in T20...move him at #3 to add batting depth

[farhan192]

did Farhad Reza quit IpL?

[Nadim]

when did reza signed up for IPL?


U mean ICL? Yes they all quit ICL

[simon]

I think we have too many allrounders in the teama anyway.
Saki,Ryad,Naeem,Mehrb,Ash(a bit),Mash(the only pace alrndr).
Which means in a regular Bd team we got atleast 5 allrounders.
Why would we need more?
Isn't it better to have a fulltime & top quality pace bwlr?We desperately need a reliable pacer.
We just need to polish Rubel,Dolar,Shahdt,Robin & others.

[djnaved]

Originally Posted by simon
I think we have too many allrounders in the teama anyway.
Saki,Ryad,Naeem,Mehrb,Ash(a bit),Mash(the only pace alrndr).
Which means in a regular Bd team we got atleast 5 allrounders.
Why would we need more?

recent zimbabwe series is the perfect example that why do we need medium pace allrounders!

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by djnaved
recent zimbabwe series is the perfect example that why do we need medium pace allrounders!

I fully support Naved if we had one medium pace all rounder in last Zim and WI ODI series we could perform well.To face the g8 we need it badly.in last ODI russel and Doller had to do 16 overs in a row and they were exhosted.so we need some one badly.

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[WarWolf]

Top post Fazal mamu.

[FagunerAgun]

I was thinking about Aftab when he got five wickets, I believe against KIWIS, in Chittagong, and scored some runs but then he became a disappointment as usual.

[abz..+]

Originally Posted by FagunerAgun
I was thinking about Aftab when he got five wickets, I believe against KIWIS, in Chittagong, and scored some runs but then he became a disappointment as usual.

his not an allrounder