vs West Indies - The most important game of this World Cup

[pagol-chagol]

Since we have India, SA & Eng in our group, and only 4 teams qualify to the next round, the game against West Indies will more than likely be the litmus test that will determine our success in this tournament.

If we win this game, it will be very hard for West Indies to topple us and make it to the second round. If we lose, even a win against the big 3 probably won't be enough for us to make it past West Indies.

If we win against West Indies, it's possible that we could lose against a smaller team and still make it to the next round.

The playing XI in this game should get at least 1 game together before they play this game. A century in this game is far more valuable than a century in any other 1st round game.

The coaches and management should prepare as much as possible for every game, but they should know that this game will be far more crucial than any other. Don't you wish we had an easier group?

[IanW]

No, I dont wish for an easier group, and the expectation should be two wins against India, South Africa, England and the West Indies.

If the Tigers are going to win the trophy, we need to put together wins against the good teams - and there isnt a team on that list that Bangladesh can beat, have beaten and will beat if they play the kind of cricket they can play.

All games are important - if you are going to win the world cup, then you must win enough of the games you should win, as well as all the games you must win.

[pagol-chagol]

Originally Posted by IanW
No, I dont wish for an easier group, and the expectation should be two wins against India, South Africa, England and the West Indies.

If the Tigers are going to win the trophy, we need to put together wins against the good teams - and there isnt a team on that list that Bangladesh can beat, have beaten and will beat if they play the kind of cricket they can play.

All games are important - if you are going to win the world cup, then you must win enough of the games you should win, as well as all the games you must win.

I could look at this like a wrestler, or I could look it like a statistician. The probability of advancing is just much harder in this group. The game against West Indies will probably determine our fate.

[godzilla]

Suddenly grp A (which includes a bunch of team who are underperforming) looks much easier than grp. If we were placed in group A, I would have probably had a slower heart rate watching the matches!

[Tiger444]

We have to realize that WI will be a very hard team to beat. In my opinion it's not gonna be that much easier then the England, SA, and England. They have some very explosive batsmen that can toy with any attack. Their just not a very consistent team. If Gayle goes off then it's gonna be very hard to beat them. Pollard is another player that can really smash any attack once he gets going. We're going to have to be on top of our games if we want to advance to the quarterfinals.

[Zunaid]

You mean: "and there isnt a team on that list that Bangladesh can not beat, have not beaten and will not beat if they play the kind of cricket they can play"

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[IanW]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
You mean: "and there isnt a team on that list that Bangladesh can not beat, have not beaten and will not beat if they play the kind of cricket they can play"

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Yes, yes I do

[Banglaguy]

To qualify for the semi's, bangladesh has to beat both associates, and one of the the three other teams, so a win against WI should do, if the rest of th results (i.e. WI lose to India,SA,Eng and beat Ire, Neth) then we should make it to the quarters...

[Baundule]

pagol-chagol, it's a very well-thought simple (and great) post.
West Indies is the weakest one of the four and their weakness against spin is well documented. None of the other 3 will lose against them and you have explained the meaning of that nicely.

Of course, every match is important and we should try to win.

[iamreza]

i think all the first 3 matches are equally important for us.

[Rifat]

echo Ian's thoughts...(with Dr. Z correction!)

[Eshen]

I am with Ian here. No team should be undermined, neither our chance against any team should be undermined.

[pagol-chagol]

Originally Posted by Eshen
I am with Ian here. No team should be undermined, neither our chance against any team should be undermined.

Did I or anyone else claim that any team should be undermined? Why create straw man?

My quote:

The coaches and management should prepare as much as possible for every game.

[BanCricFan]

Yes, a win against WI is very crucial but a win in the opening game -which is happened to be India -is more important. We have to start on a morale boosting winning note and take confidence and KNOW that we are capable of beating ANY team. We HAVE to beat good teams to get to the Quarters or Semis....simple as that! At the same time, we must be very mindful that if we even slightly lose our focus and intensity the Associate teams are more than capable of pulling victories against us.

There is not any shred of doubt that this is the most strongest (even without Mashrafee) and balanced side to represent Bangladesh at the World Cup. Tamim and Shakib, the two world class match winners are ably supported by the honest and true performers such as Razzak, Mushy and Shafiul. We even have the luxury of the surprise element of Mohammad Ashraful. I will put Bangladesh amongst the Top 5 ODI sides in the world at this moment.

[Dhakablues]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
Yes, a win against WI is very crucial but a win in the opening game -which is happened to be India -is more important. We have to start on a morale boosting winning note and take confidence and KNOW that we are capable of beating ANY team. We HAVE to beat good teams to get to the Quarters or Semis....simple as that! At the same time, we must be very mindful that if we even slightly lose our focus and intensity the Associate teams are more than capable of pulling victories against us.

There is not any shred of doubt that this is the most strongest (even without Mashrafee) and balanced side to represent Bangladesh at the World Cup. Tamim and Shakib, the two world class match winners are ably supported by the honest and true performers such as Razzak, Mushy and Shafiul. We even have the luxury of the surprise element of Mohammad Ashraful. I will put Bangladesh amongst the Top 5 ODI sides in the world at this moment.

100%,, especially at Mirpur wicket.This is where all these guys played, trained and cheered. It cannot get any better than this.. When we play in Srilanka or India, we may have some challenges to face but at SBNS.. we are and will be the king of the kings..

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
Yes, a win against WI is very crucial but a win in the opening game -which is happened to be India -is more important.

I will put Bangladesh amongst the Top 5 ODI sides in the world at this moment.

A lot of the members here seem to agree with your sentiment... I read people's post and I wonder what it is that I am not seeing that your are seeing about BD's performance that is sooo good! What have we done against the big teams in the recent past that demand such high expectation?...

Lets Rewind back to February 2010...against England team at home...

-1st ODI at Dhaka... Pretty much same side... scored 228 in 50 overs... easily chased by England

-2nd ODI in March 2010 again in Dhaka. Scored 260... chased by England..although umpire screwed us up bad.. Naeem and Mahmudullah hit just 3 boundaries between them.. and Shafiul went for 55 runs in 6.5 overs

-3rd ODI in Chittagong england scored 280+... we could manage 239... Naeem Mahmdullah...faced 85 balls..could manage 3 boundaries... Rubel went for 60 runs in 6 overs

forward to Asia cup in the Subcontinent...

1st Match against India.. BD all out for 167 runs in 34 overs...

2nd Match Sri Lanka scored 312... we managed 186 all out..

3rd match Pakistan scored 385... we managed 246/5... interestingly Imrul Kayes scored 66 runs out of 110 balls with only 3 boundaries chasing a mammoth 385!

Now would you say between May 2010... and November 2010... we have suddenly become world beaters? or would you say we had easier oppositions to play with during the end of 2010?... I don't want to burst anyone's bubble here... but I am all for cautious optimism rather than be totally unrealistic and suffer the subsequent heartbreak...

against India a win would be amazing...but its not the end of the world... we need to beat West Indies... they are the weakest among the big 4... beating them and going through is fine by me

[godzilla]

^^^ when you put it that way then we loose out hopes in an instant!

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by pagol-chagol
Since we have India, SA & Eng in our group, and only 4 teams qualify to the next round, the game against West Indies will more than likely be the litmus test that will determine our success in this tournament.

If we win this game, it will be very hard for West Indies to topple us and make it to the second round. If we lose, even a win against the big 3 probably won't be enough for us to make it past West Indies.

If we win against West Indies, it's possible that we could lose against a smaller team and still make it to the next round.

The playing XI in this game should get at least 1 game together before they play this game. A century in this game is far more valuable than a century in any other 1st round game.

The coaches and management should prepare as much as possible for every game, but they should know that this game will be far more crucial than any other. Don't you wish we had an easier group?

PC bhai...u don't get more points for beating stronger teams vs weaker teams. only thing that counts that is different is net run rate.

therefore, every game is important. we cannot lose to NET or IRE...but at the same time, WI is no more important than IND, except that they are more beatable.

also, the idea that will auto qualify if we beat WI is likely, but not guaranteed. WI could beat any of the other top 3, and in that case even if we beat WI, we'd be tied with them and it would come down to NRR.

thats why we have to bat first against NED/IRE and do our darnest to score 300 and bowl them out for 150-180, 200 max.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
PC bhai...u don't get more points for beating stronger teams vs weaker teams. only thing that counts that is different is net run rate.

therefore, every game is important. we cannot lose to NET or IRE...but at the same time, WI is no more important than IND, except that they are more beatable.

also, the idea that will auto qualify if we beat WI is likely, but not guaranteed. WI could beat any of the other top 3, and in that case even if we beat WI, we'd be tied with them and it would come down to NRR.

thats why we have to bat first against NED/IRE and do our darnest to score 300 and bowl them out for 150-180, 200 max.

That should make this game more important from our perspective. Though, all the games are important.

if head to Head win gets more priority than NRR in case of a tie in points table, that also makes WI game more important.

Well, nothing better than beating all and heading the table, u dont have to bother for points table anymore.

[ahms]

I am glad, someone open this thread. I am just watching Caribbean T20, Jamaica vs. Windward Island. One should notice Andre Russel, one of the WI 15, from Jamaica bowls few balls deceitfully. He runs up to the point just behind umpire, and suddenly he drops his speed as if he is about stop bowling and once he pass umpire he continues with bowling. That is deceiving. Batsman should be wary of his bowling tactic.

Any way, first 4 games are very important for Bangladesh if we wish to go beyond second round. Points from 1st round against any/all top 4 will be carried forward to the second round. So the game against SA and ENG will not be any easier.

[Direct-Hit]

Originally Posted by ahms
I am glad, someone open this thread. I am just watching Caribbean T20, Jamaica vs. Windward Island. One should notice Andre Russel, one of the WI 15, from Jamaica bowls few balls deceitfully. He runs up to the point just behind umpire, and suddenly he drops his speed as if he is about stop bowling and once he pass umpire he continues with bowling. That is deceiving. Batsman should be wary of his bowling tactic.

Any way, first 4 games are very important for Bangladesh if we wish to go beyond second round. Points from 1st round against any/all top 4 will be carried forward to the second round. So the game against SA and ENG will not be any easier.

When I was working for the ICC High Performance Department in the Caribbean, looking after Canada and Ireland, he took a couple of wickets of both teams with exactly that tactic, he slows down, drops his arms and then continues on and bowls. Its clever, as the batter automatically relaxes his guard because he thinks the bowlers his stopping. I am not sure it is within the spirit of the game though. Thoughts anybody ?

[Nafi]

Originally Posted by Direct-Hit
When I was working for the ICC High Performance Department in the Caribbean, looking after Canada and Ireland, he took a couple of wickets of both teams with exactly that tactic, he slows down, drops his arms and then continues on and bowls. Its clever, as the batter automatically relaxes his guard because he thinks the bowlers his stopping. I am not sure it is within the spirit of the game though. Thoughts anybody ?

Definitely a dirty tactic, however within the rules, and still the batsmen's fault for not concentrating.

[zainab]

Originally Posted by Direct-Hit
When I was working for the ICC High Performance Department in the Caribbean, looking after Canada and Ireland, he took a couple of wickets of both teams with exactly that tactic, he slows down, drops his arms and then continues on and bowls. Its clever, as the batter automatically relaxes his guard because he thinks the bowlers his stopping. I am not sure it is within the spirit of the game though. Thoughts anybody ?

Why dont you warn the batsmen to watch out for him? if this is his tactic, I am sure the teams knows this after watching video footage.

[Sovik]

Originally Posted by zainab
Why dont you warn the batsmen to watch out for him? if this is his tactic, I am sure the teams knows this after watching video footage.

Probably coach was talking about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJKbCUAGhM4&feature=player_detailpage#t=317s

@5:16 he bowls to Llndle Simmons with his normal action and he goes for six. The very next ball in that clip which is @ 5:22, he bowls with a different action and goes for a boundary.

[akabir77]

We have to win against IR and Holland first too... holland shouldn't be a problem but i am little worried about all the English IR players. hopefully our picthes will spin