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Old March 11, 2019, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Roey Haque
Commie loon owns 3 houses, yet lectures ppl on how many houses,boats,cars they need. Scum!

Once you see the twinkling fraud in his eyes, there is no going back. So fair warning, if you are a commie, and want to remain in your commie bubble, do not spend too much time on my posts, or you will be converted. And then you may become more enraged than me, and do something silly,which I will take no responsibility for, just heads up. Haha.
Sanders is never against owning multiple houses or yachts, as long as you are paying your fair share of taxes and believe in a society where each and every human being lives, not equal, but a dignified life.

If you don't believe in a vision of life of dignity for each and every human being, you won't be able to enjoy your mansions. Would you like if homeless people defecate outside your mansion? May be you will now call for gentrification.

Recently I discovered a great article on the topic of socialism and capitalism on paste magazine. Here are few excerpts:

Capitalism is private ownership controlling the means of production for the express purpose of profit. Having stuff people want and exchanging it for a reasonable fee is supply and demand—which has existed at least since the barter economy (a farmer giving a chicken to a doctor in exchange for medical care is about as pure an expression of supply and demand as it gets). I agree with the never-gonna-be-a-congressman that supply and demand—not capitalism—is what we should devote our economic might toward. Supply and demand has always been an economic expression of humanity's free will.

However, if you take capitalism to its logical end, it's oligarchy. The presence of American anti-trust laws (that we refuse to enforce anymore) is an indictment against the theoretical model of capitalism. Without them, capitalism would go off the rails. This disproves the assertion that it is the best, most efficient system to create broad prosperity—the truth is that an entire federal bureaucracy is required to keep the “free market” broadly prosperous.

Capitalism is a series of contradictions between in-theory and in-practice. In theory, private property is a wondrous invention. Most governments throughout history have had an authoritarian lean (at best), so the concept of individual citizens being able to buy plots of land to call their own is an egalitarian promise…in theory. In practice, property becomes expensive (thanks to its fixed supply and infinite demand), and so the vast majority of it is eventually owned by large conglomerates which are less accountable to the public than the British Monarchy was. There are near-infinite examples like this where capitalism in practice repudiates capitalism in theory, but during my near-decade doing sales, I learned that you don't convince people with logic. You convince them with stories.


Reality Keeps Moving Me Left
Single payer healthcare is a topic I have lately come to accept as just and necessary. I used to think that with enough regulation, you could properly incentivize the market not to turn sick people into money trees, but given the undeniable evidence of the moral abomination that is the American healthcare system, I have accepted that is a foolish premise. We need government-run health care. End of story.

Capitalism Is Colonialism
First off, capitalism hasn't been around that long. We act like it's the only economic truth the world has ever known, but capitalism has existed for roughly 10% of the 5,000 years of recorded human history. Secondly, and most importantly, capitalism broadly rose in tandem with the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Capitalism simply could not exist in its present iteration without slave labor.

The United States of America was built on the graves of Native Americans and on the backs of slaves from Africa. That fact is indisputable, and our failure to reckon with those horrible truths of our inception informs our present malaise. Any society which deems itself civilized should want to move away from colonialist traditions, yet free-market radicalism wants to bust down the barriers and let the new colonialists roam free yet again. Deregulation almost always benefits massive businesses to the detriment of smaller ones, and if you believe otherwise, you haven't paid enough attention to the oligarchic effects of Republican governance in the 21st century.

America was built on a contradiction. Our founding fathers asserted that all men were created equal, yet it was still legal for one man to own another. They had a lot of great ideas—like the 4th Amendment (by far the most underrated Amendment)—but they weren't perfect. We treat them like demigods because we can't/don't want to envision a society different from the one to which we have become inured. Our founding fathers were supposedly ideologically flawless, therefore we have no structural issues that must be addressed—so our origin story goes.

Our founders made mistakes. They knew they made mistakes. That's why they gave us the 10th Amendment, which was their way of saying “we know we missed some stuff/have to plan for the future, so the states can figure all that out.”
It's high time that we start questioning some aspects of the founding fathers' vision, along with many notions of the late 20th century order (deregulation as an ideology didn't really begin in earnest until the late 1970s)—and there's only one political group with a member in congress* undertaking this broad responsibility.


Socialism Has Worked In America
Despite the characterization of socialism as “radical,” it's nothing new to this country. What do you think Social Security is? It practically has socialism in its name!

Or what about the rest of the New Deal? It was implemented by Franklin Delano Roosevelt—universally regarded as one of America's greatest presidents (despite the fact that he put over 100,000 Japanese Americans in internment camps)—as he enacted an aggressive government plan to kick-start the sputtering economy in 1933. World War II makes it difficult to gauge how effective it was long-term—as the war served as something of a massive economic stimulus plan—but programs like the Tennessee Valley Authority were indisputably successful in rehabilitating economically distressed areas.

Sorry to be so loud and abrupt, but I need to address what is seemingly the only conservative critique against socialism before the noise in my head gets too loud. There's a simple rule of American politics: if you hate socialism, Venezuela is the only socialist country in existence. If you like socialism, Norway is your answer to most questions.

Nearly every conservative in existence seems to be an expert on the disaster in Venezuela. Yeah, it's bad, and the country was theoretically socialist—HOWEVER—Hugo Chavez was given the ability to rule by decree every year between 2000 and 2012, save for 2009. Nicolas Maduro has been ruling by decree since he came into office in 2013. If conservatives want to go down the road of asserting that a “socialist” country unilaterally ruled by a cult of personality is actually emblematic of broader socialism, then I have some bad news for conservatives about the massive capitalist influx into 1990s Russia, and where that all stands today. Not every country perfectly executes its stated political ideology, because oligarchy has been a fact of human life as long as there has been human life.


hOw ArE yOu GoInG tO pAy FoR iT?

This is a question which is only ever asked of liberal solutions, and the perpetually disproved “tax cuts pay for themselves” GOP nonsense is accepted without any serious challenge. That said, I'll engage with this bad faith argument about how we may struggle to pay for stuff like universal health care with our $19 TRILLION PER YEAR ECONOMY (China's the 2nd largest in the world at $14 trillion).
What if I told you that the American military pays for a plane that is completely unreliable, seems to be specifically designed to kill its pilots, and costs over $400 billion (not including the $1.1 trillion it will cost to keep it running until 2070)?

Well my friends, such a beast exists, and it's thanks to the military-industrial complex. Congress wants the F-35 more than the military does. We could wipe out nearly half of all student loan debt by just killing the F-35 and redistributing Lockheed Martin's funds to debtors across the country. And that's just one military boondoggle! I'm all for carrying a far bigger stick than everyone else so as to act as a deterrent to war, but America's military budget has become truly grotesque. A lot of the answers to “how will you pay for it?” (a question that quite literally is never asked when it's a military expenditure), can be found collecting dust in the Department of Defense.

Hell, the Pentagon basically trips over $125 billion in waste per year. So don't ask me where the money to help our must vulnerable is coming from. There's plenty of money available, and that's before you get to the fact that government is really just one big accounting spreadsheet—AND we have the global reserve currency.

Our national debt is mostly owed to our future selves. It is not the terrifying monolith that conservatives have depicted. It's (partially) fungible because it intersects with so many other areas of policy (this is where I break from most socialists and assert that the national debt is also not something that we can completely dismiss, as our current interest payment on the debt is $310 billion, and the 47% owned by foreigners is nothing to sneeze at).

In short, we already create money out of thin air, and the world has no choice but to accept it—all I'm arguing is that we should create that money in order to help people beyond a small cabal of bankers.
If you still have appetite for more readings, here are a few more:

Am I Still a Capitalist?

What You Think Is Capitalism Isn’t Actually Capitalism
Self-respect is the fruit of discipline; the sense of dignity grows with the ability to say no to oneself- AJH| Don’t disrespect your life by living aimlessly – set goals and work hard to attain them.
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