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Old September 13, 2018, 01:24 PM
tonmoy.dhaka tonmoy.dhaka is offline
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Originally Posted by ToBeFair
This is an expected reply.

If God wants, He can save a crashing plane miraculously, but God has subjected His creation to a fixed, pre-determined set of laws of cause and effect, and thus, a crashing plane must crash. The point was - on a crashing plane or in a situation of COMPLETE helplessness, every human soul, irrespective of verbal pronouncement, cries out to a higher power for salvation. And this is one of the proofs of God's existence. In a dire situation, all pride melts and the inner inclination to submit to God manifests naturally:

It is He who enables you to travel on land and sea until, when you are in ships and they sail with them by a good wind and they rejoice therein, there comes a storm wind and the waves come upon them from everywhere and they assume that they are surrounded, supplicating Allah, sincere to Him in religion, "If You should save us from this, we will surely be among the thankful." But when He saves them, at once they commit injustice upon the earth without right. O mankind, your injustice is only against yourselves, [being merely] the enjoyment of worldly life. Then to Us is your return, and We will inform you of what you used to do. [The Noble Quran 10:22-23]

Thus the call of Islam is - return to God and submit to Him willfully and consciously, when you are still healthy and safe and able, before your are snatched by God's power and rendered completely helpless:

Respond to your Lord before a Day comes from Allah of which there is no repelling. No refuge will you have that day, nor for you will there be any denial. But if they turn away - then We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], over them as a guardian; upon you is only [the duty of] notification. And indeed, when We let man taste mercy from us, he rejoices in it; but if evil afflicts him for what his hands have put forth, then indeed, man is ungrateful. [The Noble Quran 42: 48-49]

BTW, if a plane crashes, scientists can benefit from it because of God setting this universe upon a fixed set of physical laws, and not because of anyone's sacrifice or death.

God did NOT set the universe upon fixed set of physical laws (or whatever you call it). Once you go inside the realm of quantum physics, you will realize that a lot of the outcome is determined by chance (probability).

I will try to do a Zeeshan and comment on the bolded part that you mentioned

It is He who enables you to travel on land and sea until, when you are in ships and they sail with them by a good wind and they rejoice therein,

So he did not mention anything about flight (only land and sea)...
Even at sea, sail boats are not used anymore, other words a "good wind" is not absolutely necessary.

By the way, flight was present in the time of Muhammad too!! It was not a plane but a winged horse/donkey/mule (Buraq) that Muhammad used to fly to heaven and all the way to Jerusalem.
I will never know why the God did not just teleport (just bend space) the prophet and instead created a whole winged horse/mule/donkey just for this purpose...

If you want to discuss the science of Buraq further, well wings will not help you fly at a very high altitude to be honest. Specially with an adult male in the back. Not to mention, it would take a humongous wing in order to propel something the size of a horse/donkey to take flight. The picture of Buraq shows the wings are small. Makes you wonder what is the purpose of the wing?
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