if innocent people were not being tortured right and left all over the world, then we would'nt be having this discussion.
People in the United States who are against torture are so not only because of humane reasons (rightly or wrongly), but are mainly so because we are appalled with the maschochistic display of chenny and co around this topic and how openly they are flaunting this as if to say...say all you want, but what can you do about it...we are the us of a.
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